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Watch live: Michael Cohen testifies at House Oversight Committee hearing


>>>THIS IS A TEST BEING
PERFORMED BY THE CLOSED CAPTIONING SERVICE PROVIDER’S THEN WE RECEIVED EVIDENCE THIS
MORNING AT 7:54. NOW, IF THIS WAS JUST AN OVERSIGHT MR.
CHAIRMAN, I COULD LOOK BEYOND IT. IT WAS AN INTENTIONAL
EFFORT BY THIS WITNESS AND HIS ADVISERS TO ONCE AGAIN SHOW HIS
DESTAINED FOR THIS BODY. WITH THAT, I MOVE THAT WE POSTPONE
THIS HEARING.>>I WANT TO THANK YOU
GENTLEMEN.>>LET ME SAY THAT WE GOT THE
TESTIMONY LATE LAST NIGHT. WE
DID. WE KID YOU THE SAME TIME THAT WE GOT IT. I WANT TO MOVE
FORWARD WITH THIS HEARING.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH ALL DUE
RESPECT, THIS IS A VIOLATION OF THE RULE, AND IF IT WAS NOT
INTENTIONAL, I WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM. I’M NOT SAYING THAT IT
WAS INTENTIONAL ON YOUR PART,
BUT ON HIS PART BECAUSE LAST NIGHT ON A CABLE NEWS NETWORK
MADE IT ALL VERY EVIDENT. JOHN DEAN, AND I WILL QUOTE, MR.
CHAIRMAN. HE SAID, “AS A FORMER COMMITTEE COUNCIL AND THEN A
LONG TERM WITNESS SITTING ALONE AT THE TABLE IS IMPORTANT.”
“HOLDING YOUR STATEMENT AS LONG AS YOU CAN SO THE ANSWER SIDE
CANNOT CHEW IT UP IS IMPORTANT AS WELL.”
AND SO, IT WAS ADVISE THAT HAD THE WITNESS GOT FOR THIS
PARTICULAR BODY AND MR. CHAIRMAN, WHEN YOU WERE THE
MINORITY, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE STOOD FOR IT, AND WE SHOULD NOT
STAND FOR IT AS A BODY.>>LET ME SAY THIS.>>CHAIRMAN? BY THE MOTION.>>– YOU KNOW WHO HAD THIS
BEFORE ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE? CNN HAD IT BEFORE WE DID. CNN HAD IT BEFORE WE DID.
>>SIR. >>YOU
WANT TO RECOGNIZE –>>YEAH, THE VOTE IS ON THE
MOTION TO POSTPONE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY
NO. THE AYES HAVE IT. >>I APPEAL THE RULING
OF THE CHAIR. YES, I CAN ASSURE YOU
THAT IT’S IN THE RULES. I APPEAL THE RULING OF THE CHAIR.>>DO THE RULES MATTER MR.
CHAIRMAN? OF THE CHAIR.>>ALL OPPOSED SO NO.>>NO.>>THE AYES HAVE IT.>>I ASK FOR A RECORDED VOTE,
MR. CHAIRMAN.>>VERY WELL. CLERK WILL CALL
THE ROLL.>>THEY’RE TAKING A YES AND YOU
WILL HEAR REPUBLICANS VOTING YES
AND REPUBLICANS NO. WE JUMPED RIGHT AWAY SAYING THAT THE
REPUBLICANS DID NOT GET THE OPENING STATEMENT WITH ENOUGH
TIME. THEN WE HEARD KATIE HILL SAY THAT SHE WENT TO TABLE THIS
APPEAL THAT MARK MEADOWS HAVE MADE. WHEN THEY SAY YES, THAT’S
TO TABLE IT, KEEP THE HEARING GOING. IF THE HAVE THE
MAJORITY, IT SHOULD BE EASILY. THIS IS THE PROCESS GOING ON
AND THEN WE’RE GOING TO ENTER THE
HEARING. LET’S GO BACK AND LISTEN TO MORE OF THE ROLL
CONTROL. NO.>>VOTING NO.>>MR. STUBY VOTES NO.>>ON THIS VOTE WE HAVE 24 YES
AND 17 NOES. NOT WANT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO
HEAR WHAT MR. COHEN HAS TO SAY. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT
TO HEAR HIM. . THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE CAN JUDGE AND WHEN WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET HIM
ACCORDING TO THE RULES OF THIS COMMITTEE. THAT’S ALL THAT WE
SAID. WE DID NOT SAY THAT WE DID NOT WANT TO HEAR FROM THE
GUY.>>RECLAIMING MY TIME. I
RECOGNIZE MYSELF FOR FIVE MINUTE
TOSS GIVE AN OPENING STATEMENT. TODAY, THE COMMITTEE WILL HEAR
THE TESTIMONY OF MICHAEL COHEN. PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP’S LONG
TIME PERSONAL ATTORNEY AND ONE OF HIS CLOSEST AND MOST TRUSTED
ADD VIRESERS OVER — ADVISERS OVER THE LAST DECADE. ON AUGUST
21st MR. COHEN APPEARED IN FEDERAL COURT AND ADMIT TODAY
ARRANGING SECRET PAY OFF TOSS THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
DOLLARS. WHEN ON THE EVE OF THE ELECTION TO SILENCE WOMAN
ALLEGING AFFAIRS WITH DONALD TRUMP. MR. COHEN ADMITTING TO
VIOLATING THE CAMPAIGN FINANCES LAWS AND OTHER LAWS. . HE
ADMITTED TO COMMITTING THESE FELONIES IN COORDINATION WITH
AND AS A DIRECTION OF “PRESIDENT
TRUMP.” HE ADMITTED — HE ADMITTED TO
LYING ABOUT HIS ACTIONS TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT. SOME
WILL ASK IF MR. COHEN WAS LYING THEN, WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE HIM
NOW. THIS IS LEGITIMATE QUESTION. AS A PROUD LAWYER FOR
MANY YEARS, I FACE THIS SITUATION OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
I ASK THE SAME QUESTION. HERE IS OUR — HERE IS HOW I YOU OUR
ROLE. EVERY ONE OF US IN THE ROOM HAS A DUTY TO SERVE AS AN
INDEPENDENT CHECK ON THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN, WE’RE IN SEARCH OF THE TRUTH. THEMENTED HAS MADE
MANY STATEMENTS OF HIS OWN, AND NOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A
RIGHT TO HEAR THE OTHER SIDE. THEY CAN WATCH MR. COHEN’S
TESTIMONY AND MAKE THEIR OWN JUDGMENT. WE RECEIVED A COPY OF
MR. COHEN’S WRITTEN TESTIMONY LATE LAST NIGHT. IT INCLUDES
NOT ONLY PERSONAL EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS OF MEETINGS WITH
DONALD TRUMP AS THE PRESIDENT INSIDE OF
THE OVAL OFFICE, BUT IT ALSO
INCLUDES DOCUMENTS & OTHER EVIDENCE OF SOME OF MR. COHEN’S
STATEMENT. FOR EXAMPLE, MR. COHEN HAS PROVIDED A COPY OF A
CHECK SENT WHILE PRESIDENT TRUMP
WAS IN OFFICE WITH DONALD TRUMP’S SIGNATURE ON IT TO
REIMBURSE MR. COHEN FOR THE HUSH-MONEY PAYMENT TO STORMY DANIELS. THIS IS RAISING A HOST
OF TROUBLING, LEGAL AND ETHICAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S
ACTIONS IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND BEFORE. WILL YOU CLOSE THAT
DOOR, PLEASE? THANK YOU. THIS CHECK IS DATED AUGUST 1ST, 2017. SIX MONTHS
LATER IN APRIL OF 2018 THE PRESIDENT DENIED
ANYTHING ABOUT IT. IN APRIL OF 2018, PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS
FLYING ON-AIR FORCE ONE WHEN A REPORTER
ASKED HIM A QUESTION, “DID YOU KNOW ABOUT $130,000 PAYMENT TO
STORMY DANIELS?” . THE ANSWER WAS “NO.”
A MONTH AFTER THAT, THE PRESIDENT ADMITTED TO MAKING
PAYMENTS TO MR. COHEN AND CLAIMING THAT THEY WERE PART OF
A MONTHLY RETAINER FOR LEGAL SERVICES. THIS CLAIM FELL APART
IN AUGUST WHEN FELLOW
PROSECUTORS COLON COLLUDED AND I
QUOTE “, IN FACT THERE WAS NO SUCH AGREED CONTAINER.”
TODAY WE WILL ALSO HEAR MR. COHEN AS ACCOUNT OF A MEETING IN
2016 IN DONALD TRUMP’S OFFICE DURING WHICH ROGER STONE SAID
OVER SPEAKER PHONE THAT HE HAD JUST SPOKEN WITH JULIAN WHO
SAID THERE WOULD BE A MASSIVE DUMP OF
E-MAILS THAT WOULD DAMAGE HILLARY CLINTON’S CAMPAIGN.
ACCORDING TO COHEN, MR. TRUMP REPLIED “WOULDN’T THAT BE
GREAT.” THE TESTIMONY THAT MICHAEL COHEN
IS GOING PROVIDE TODAY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS DEEPLY
DISTURBING AND IT SHOULD BE TROUBLING TO ALL AMERICANS. .
WE WILL ALL HAVE TO MAKE OUR OWN
EVALUATIONS OF THE EVIDENCE AND MR. COHEN’S CREDIBILITY. HE
ADMITS THAT HE HAS REPEATEDLY LIED IN THE PAST. I AGREE WITH
JORDAN THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT
FACTOR WE NEED TO WEIGH. WE MUST WEIGH IT, AND WE MUST HEAR
FROM HIM. WHERE I DISAGREE FUNDAMENTALLY WITH THE RANKING
MEMBERS INVOLVES HIS EFFORTS TO PREVENT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
FROM HEARING FROM MR. COHEN. MR.
COHEN’S TESTIMONY RAISES GREAT QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LEGALITY OF
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP’S CONDUCT
AND THE TRUTHFULNESS OF STATEMENTS WHILE HE WAS
PRESIDENT. WE NEED TO ACCESS AND INVESTIGATE THIS NEW
EVIDENCE AS WE UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTIONAL OVERSIGHT AND
RESPONSIBILITIES. WE WILL CONTINUE AFTER TODAY TO GATHER
MORE DOCUMENTS AND TESTIMONY IN OUR SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH. I
HAVE MADE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR TO
MR. COHEN THAT IF HE COMES HERE TODAY AND HE DOES NOT TELL THE
TRUTH — TELL US THE TRUTH, I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO REFER
THOSE STATEMENTS TO DOJ. SO WHEN PEOPLE SAY HE DOES NOT HAVE
ANYTHING TO LOSE. YEAH, HE DOES HAVE A LOT TO LOSE IF HE LIES.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, BUY THE WAY, VOTED FOR ACCOUNTABILITY IN
NOVEMBER. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO HEAR MR. COHEN IN PUBLIC AND
MAKE THEIR OWN JUDGMENTS. MR. COHEN’S TESTIMONY IS THE
BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS. NOT THE END. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,
TODAYS — THE DAYS OF THIS COMMITTEE PROTECTING THE
PRESIDENT AT ALL COST ARE OVER. THEY’RE OVER. BEFORE I CLOSE, I
WANT TO COMMENT ABOUT THE SCOPE OF TODAY’S HEARING. AT THE
REQUEST OF THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE AND MY
VERY GOOD FRIEND ADAM, I ATTEND OVER THE OBJECTIONS OF THE
RANKING MEMBER OF OUR COMMITTEE TO LIMIT THE DISCOVER TO AVOID
QUESTIONS ABOUT RUSSIA. HOWEVER, MR. COHEN’S WRITTEN
TESTIMONY AND THESE ARE THE TOPIC THAT IS DO NOT RAISE THE
CONCERN FROM THE PRESIDENT OF
JUSTICE. IN FAIRNESS, WE WILL NOT RESTRICT QUESTIONS RELATE
TO GO THE WITNESS’S TESTIMONY OR
RELATED QUESTIONS HE IS WILLING TO ANSWER. FINALLY. I REMIND
MEMBERS THAT WE WILL NEED TO
REMAIN MINDFUL OF THOSE ERRORS WHERE THERE ARE ONGOING
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE INVESTIGATIONS. THOSE SCOOPING
LIMITATIONS HAVE NOT CHANGED. FINALLY, AND TO MR. COHEN,
MARTIN LUTHER KING SAID SOME WORD THAT IS I LEAVE WITH YOU
TODAY BEFORE YOU TESTIFY. HE SAID FAITH IS TAKING THE FIRST
STEP EVEN WHEN YOU CAN’T SEE THE
WHOLE STAIRCASE. THEIR COMES A
TIME WHEN SILENCE BECOMES BETRAYAL. TODAY WE BECOME
VIOLENT ON THINGS THAT TRULY MATTER N. TEND, HE SAYS, WE
WILL REMEMBER NOT THE WORDS OF OUR
ENEMIES BUT THE SILENCE OF OUR FRIENDS. WITH THAT, I YIELD TO
DISTINGUISH GENTLEMEN THE RANKING MEMBER OUR COMMITTEE
MR. JORDAN.>>MR. JORDAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR
HIS OPENING STATEMENT.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, HERE WE GO.
THE FIRST BIG HEARING AND THEN THE FIRST ANNOUNCE WITNESS IS
MICHAEL COHEN.>>IT’S A GUY THAT’S GOING IN
PRISON AND LYING TO CONGRESS. AND WE ALL NEED TO IDENTIFY
WHAT IT IS. HE SAID IT WAS HIS IDEA
AND HE HAD TO TALK MICHAEL COHEN
IN TO COMMENTS AND THEN MOST IMPORTANTLY HAD TO PURSUE THE MARY TON TO HAVE IT. AND THIS
IS THE FIRST TIME THAT HE HAS BEEN BROUGHT BACK TO BE A STAR
WITNESS IN A HEARING. NO OTHER COMMITTEE WOULD DO IT. WITH MR.
COHEN HERE AND THIS COMMITTEE, WE HAVE A LOT TO LOOK FORWARD
TO. STAY WE’RE ONLY ALLOWED TO
ASK CERTAIN QUESTIONS AND NOW THAT’S ON THE TABLE. YOU TOLD
US THAT WE CAN NOT ASK QUESTIONS
ON THE SPECIAL COUNCIL AND THE
ANSWERS ARE COMING FROM A GUY THAT CANNOT BE TRUSTED. WHILE
MR. COHEN ENJOYED A PRIVILEGED LIFE AND THEN GOING TO
EXTENSIVE COURSE OF CRIMINAL CONDUCT AND
MR. COHEN COMMITTED FOUR FEDERAL
CRIMES OVER A PERIOD OF SEVERAL YEARS AND HE WAS MOTIVATED TO
DO SO BY PERSONAL GREED AND
REPEATEDLY USED HIS POWER AND INFLUENCE FOR THE ENDS, BUT THE
DEMOCRATS DO NOT CARE. THEY DO NOT CARE. THEY JUST WANT TO USE
YOUR MR. COHEN. YOU’RE THEIR PATH TODAY. THEY HAVE TO FIND
SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE TO SAY SOMETHING SO THAT THEY CAN TRY
TO REMOVE THE PRESIDENT FROM OFFICE CAUSE TOM STIER TOLD
THEM TOO. LAST WEEK THEY ORGANIZED A
TOWN HALL. TWO NIGHTS AGO THEY ORGANIZED A TOWN HALL AND GUESS
WHERE? CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS DISTRICT IN BALANCED MOTHER.
THE BEST THEY CAN FIND TO START THIS PROCESS IS MICHAEL COHEN.
FRAUD, CHEAT, CONVICTED FELON AND THEN IN TWO MONTHS, AN
INMATE. I WILL SAY ONE THING ABOUT THE DEMOCRATS, THEY STICK
TO THE PLAYBOOK. REMEMBER. REMEMBER HOW ALL OF THIS STARTED
AND THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN HIRE IT
HAD LAW FORM THAT HIRED GLEAN THAT HIRED A FOREIGNER AND PUT
TOGETHER THE FAKE ONE THAT THE FBI USE TODAY GO AND GET A
WARRANT TO SPY ON THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. WHEN THAT WHOLE
SCHEME FAILED AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SAID THAT WE’RE GOING
MAKE DONALD TRUMPMENT, THEY SAID
THAT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE. FOUR, THE CLINTON
LOYALIST AND OPERATIVE LANIE DAVIS HAS PERSUADED THE
CHAIRMAN OF THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE TO
GIVE A CONVICTED FELON A FORUM TO TELL THE STORIES AND LIE
ABOUT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. MARY CHAIRMAN,
WE’RE BETTER THAN THIS. I YIELD
BACK.>>I WANTED TO NOTE. IS THE MIC ON?
>>YES CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS, RANK RANKING MEMBER JORDAN AND
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME HERE TODAY.
I HAVE ASKED THE COMMITTEE TO ENSURE THAT MY FAMILY BE
PROTECTED AGAINST PRESIDENTIAL THREATS AND THAT THE COMMITTEE
BE SENSITIVE TO THE QUESTIONS ON
THE ONGOING INVESTIGATION. I THANK YOU FOR THE HELP AND
UNDERSTANDING. I AM HERE UNDER OATH TO CORRECT THE RECORD TO
ANSWER THE COMMITTEE’S QUESTIONS
TRUTHLY AND TO OFFER THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHAT I KNOW
ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP. I RECOGNIZE THAT SOME OF YOU MAY
DOUBT AND ATTACK ME ON MY CREDIBILITY. IT IS FOR THIS
REASON THAT I HAVE INCORPORATED IN TO THIS OPENING STATEMENT
DOCUMENTS THAT ARE IRREFUTABLE AND DEMONSTRATE THAT THE
INFORMATION THAT YOU WILL HEAR IS ACCURATE AND TRUTHFUL. NEVER
IN A MILLION YEARS DID I IMAGINE
WHEN I ACCEPTED A JOB IN 2007 TO
WORK FOR DONALD TRUMP, THAT HE WOULD ONE DAY RUN FOR THE
PRESIDENCY, TO LAUNCH A CAMPAIGN
ON HATE AND TOLERANCE AND ACTIVELY WIN. I REGRET THE DAY
THAT I SAID YES TO MR. TRUMP. I REGRET ALL OF THE HELP AND
SUPPORT THAT I GAVE HIM ALONG THE WAY. I AM ASHAMED OF MY
JOIN FAILINGS AND PUBLICLY SEMIED RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT
BY PLEADING GUILTY IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK.
I AM ASHAMED OF MY WEAKNESS AND MY POLICE PLACED LOYALTY OF THE
THINGS I DID FOR MR. TRUMP IN AN
EFFORT TO PROTECT AND PROMOTE HIM. I AM ASHAMED THAT I CHOSE
TO TAKE PART IN THE ACTS RATHER THAN LISTEN TO MY OWN
CONSCIENCE. I AM ASHAMED BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT MR. TRUMP
IS. HE IS A RACIST. HE IS A CONMAN, AND HE IS A CHEAT. HE
WAS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE THAT KNEW THAT ROGER STONE WAS
TALKING WITH JULIANNE ABOUT A WIKILEAKS DROP ON DEMOCRATIC
NATIONAL E-MAILS. I WILL EXPLAIN EACH IN A FEW MOMENTS.
I AM PROVIDING THE COMMITTEE TODAY WITH SEVERAL DOCUMENTS,
AND THESE INCLUDE A COPY OF A CHECK MR. TRUMP WROTE FROM HIS
PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT AFTER HE BECAME PRESIDENT TO REIMBURSE
ME FOR THE HUSH-MONEY PAYMENTS I
MADE TO COVER UP HIS AFFAIR WITH
AN ADULT FILM STAR AND PREVENT DAMAGE TO HIS CAMPAIGN. COPIES
OF FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FROM 2011, 2012 AND 2013 THAT HE
GAVE TO SUCH INSTITUTIONS SUCH AS
DOLCH BANK. A COPY OF AN ARTICLE WITH MR. TRUMP’S HAND
WRITING ON IT THAT REPORTED ON THE AUCTION OF A PORTRAIT OF
HIMSELF THAT HE ARRANGED FOR THE
BIDDER AHEAD OF TIME, AND THEN REIMBURSED THE BIDDER FROM THE
ACCOUNT OF HIS NON-PROFIT CHARITABLE FOUNDATION WITH THE
PICTURE NOW HANGING IN ONE OF HIS COUNTRY CLUBS. COPIES OF
LETTERS THAT I WROTE AT MR. TRUMP’S DIRECTION THAT
THREATENED HIS HIGH SCHOOL, COLLEGES AND THE COLLEGE BOARD
NOT TO RELEASE HIS GRADES OR SAT
SCORES. I HOPE THAT MY APPEARANCE HERE TODAY, MY GUILTY
PLEA AND MY WORK WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ARE STEPS
ALONG A PATH OF REDEMPTION THAT WILL RESTORE FAITH IN ME AND
HELP THIS COUNTRY UNDERSTAND OUR
PRESIDENT BETTER. BEFORE GOING FURTHER, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO
EACH MEMBER TO CONGRESS AS A WHOLE. THE LAST TIME I APPEARED
BEFORE CONGRESS, I CAME TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP. TODAY, I AM
HERE TO TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT MR.
TRUMP. I LIED TO CONGRESS FOR MR. TRUMP TO STOP NEGOTIATING
THE MOSCOW PROJECT IN RUSSIA. I STATED THAT WE STOPPED
NEGOTIATING IN JANUARY OF 2016. THAT WAS FALSE. OUR
NEGOTIATIONS CONTINUED FOR MONTHS LATER DURING THE
CAMPAIGN. MR. TRUMP DID NOT DIRECTLY TELL ME TO LIE TO
CONGRESS. THAT’S NOT HOW HE OPERATES. IN CONVERSATIONS WE
HAD DURING THE CAMPAIGN AT THE SAME TIME I WAS ACTIVELY
NEGOTIATING IN RUSSIA FOR HIM, HE WOULD LOOK ME IN THE EYE AND
SAY THERE’S NO RUSSIAN BUSINESS,
AND THEN GO ON TO LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY SAYING THE
SAME THING. IN HIS WAY, HE WAS TELLING ME TO LIE. THERE WERE
AT LEAST A HALF A DOZEN TIMES BETWEEN THE OHIO CAUCUS AND
THEN THE END OF JUNE WHEN HE WOULD
ASK ME HOW IS IT GOING IN RUSSIA
REFER TO GO THE MOSCOW TOYER PROJECT. — TOWER PROJECT. YOU
NEED TO KNOW THAT MR. TRUMP’S
PERSONAL LAWYERS ED DELETEED MY STATEMENT TO CONGRESS ABOUT THE
TIMING OF THE MOSCOW TOWER NEGOTIATIONS BEFORE I GAVE IT.
LET’S BE CLEAR. MR. TRUMP KNEW OF AND DIRECTED THE TRUMP
MOSCOW NEGOTIATIONS THROUGHOUT THE
CAMPAIGN AND LIED ABOUT IT. HE LIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE NEVER
EXPECTED TO WIN. HE ALSO LIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE STOOD TO
MAKE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THE MOSCOW
REAL-ESTATE PROJECT. SO I LIED ABOUT IT TOO. MR. TRUMP MADE
CLEAR TO ME THROUGH THE PERSONAL
STATEMENTS TO ME, THAT WE BOTH KNEW TO BE FALSE AND THROUGH
HIS LIE TOSS THE COUNTRY THAT HE
WANTED ME TO LIE. HE MADE IT CLEAR TO ME BECAUSE HIS
PERSONAL ATTORNEYS REVIEWED MY STATEMENT
BEFORE I DAVE IT TO CONGRESS. OVER THE PASTS TWO YEARS, I
HAVE BEEN SMEARED AS A RAT BY THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THE TRUTH IS MUCH DIFFERENT.
LET ME TAKE A BRIEF MOMENT TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. MY NAME IS
MICHAEL DEAN COHEN. I AM A BLESSED HUSBAND OF 24 YEARS AND
A FATHER TO AN INCREDIBLE DAUGHTER AND SON. WHEN I
MARRIED MY WIFE, I PROMISED HER THAT I WOULD LOVE HER, CHERISH
HER AND PROTECT HER. AS MY FATHER SAID COUNTLESS TIMES
THROUGHOUT MY CHILDHOOD, YOU MY WIFE AND YOU MY CHILDREN ARE
THE AIR THAT I BREATHE. SO TO MY
LAURA AND MY SAMMY AND MY JAKE, THERE’S NOTHING I WOULD NOT DO
TO PROTECT YOU. I HAVE ALWAYS TRIED TO LIVE A LIFE OF
LOYALTY, FRIENDSHIP, GENEROSITY AND
COMPASSION. THE QUALITIES THAT MY PARENTS ENGRAVED IN ME
SCIENCE CHILDHOOD. MY FATHER SURVIVED THE HOLOCAUST. THANKS
TO THE COMPASSION OF OTHERS, HE WAS HELPED BY MANY THAT PUT
THEMSELVES IN HARMS WAY TO DO WHAT THEY KNEW WAS RIGHT. THAT
IS WHY MY FIRST INSTINCT HAS BEEN TO HELP THOSE IN NEED. MOM
AND DAD, I AM SORRY THAT I LET
YOU DOWN. AS THE MANY PEOPLE THAT KNOW ME BEST WOULD SAY, I
AM THE PERSON THAT THEY CALL AT 3:00 A.M. IF THEY NEEDED HELP.
I PROUDLY REMEMBER BEING THE EMERGENCY CONTACT FOR MANY OF
MY CHILDREN’S FRIENDS WHEN THEY
WERE GROWING UP BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS KNEW THAT I WOULD DROP
EVERYTHING AND CARE FOR THEM AS IF THEY WERE MY OWN. LARSZ FALL
I PLED GUILTY TO IF I HAD RAIL COURT FOR FELONIES AT THE
DIRECTION OF AND IN COORDINATION
WITH INDIVIDUAL NUMBER ONE. FOR THE RECORD, INDIVIDUAL NUMBER
ONE IS PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. IT IS PAINFUL TO ADMIT THAT I
WAS MOTIVATED BY AMBITION AT TIMES. IT IS EVEN MORE PAINFUL
TO ADMIT THAT MANY TIMES I IGNORED MY CONSCIENCE AND ACTED
LOYAL TO A MAN WHEN I SHOULD NOT
HAVE. SITTING HERE TODAY, IT SEEMS UNBELIEVABLE THAT I WAS
SO MESSERIZED BY DONALD TRUMP THAT
I WAS WILLING TO DO THING IFS FOR HIM THAT I KNEW WERE
ABSOLUTELY WRONG. FOR THAT REASON, I HAVE COME TO APOLOGIZE
TO MY FAMILY, GOVERNMENT AND TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
ACCORDINGLY, LET ME KNOW TELL YOU ABOUT MR. TRUMP. I GOT TO
KNOW HIM VERY WELL. WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH HIM FOR MORE
THAN 10 YEARS AS HIS EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT AND SPECIAL
COUNCIL, AND THEN AS THE PERSONAL ATTORNEY WHEN HE BECAME
PRESIDENT. WHEN I FIRST MET MR. TRUMP, HE WAS A SUCCESSFUL
ENTREPRENEUR, A REAL-ESTATE GIANT AND AN ICON. BEING AROUND
MR. TRUMP WAS INTOXICATING WHEN YOU WERE IN HIS PRESENCE, YOU
FELT LIKE YOU WERE INVOLVED SOMETHING GREATER THAN YOURSELF
AND THAT YOU WERE SOMEHOW CHANGING THE WORLD. I WOUND UP
POUTING IF TRUMP NARRATIVE FOR A
DECADE. THAT WAS MY JOB. ALWAYS STAY ON
MESSAGE AND ALWAYS DEFEND. AT FIRST, I
WORKED MOSTLY ON REAL-ESTATE DEVELOPMENTS AND OTHER BUSINESS
TRANSACTIONS. SHORTLY THERE AFTER, TRUMP BROUGHT ME TO IN
HIS PERSONAL LIFE AND DEALINGS. OVER TIME, I SAW HIS TRUE
CHARACTER REVEALED. MR. TRUMP IS AN IG ANYTHING THAT AND
COMPLICATED AS AM I. HE IS GOOD AND BAD AS WE DO IT ALL. THE
BAD FAR OUTWEIGH IT IS GOOD. SINCE TAKING OFFICE, HE HAS
BECOME THE WORST VERSION OF HIMSELF. HE IS CAPABLE OF
BEHAVING KINDLY, BUT HI IS NOT KIND. HE IS CAPABLE OF
COMMITTING ACTS OF GENEROSITY, BUT HE IS NOT GENEROUS. HE IS
CAPABLE OF BEING BEING LOYAL, BUT HE IS DISLOYAL. DONALD
TRUMP IS A MAN THAT RAN FOR OFFICE TO MAKE HIS BRAND GREAT.
NOT TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY GREAT. HE HAD NO DESIRE OR INTENTION
TO LEAD THIS NATION. ONLY TO
MARKET HIMSELF AND TO BUILD HIS WEALTH AND POWER. MR. TRUMP
WOULD SAY THIS CAMPAIGN WAS GOING TO BE THE GREATEST INFO
MARBLY IN POLITICAL HISTORY. HE NEVER EXPECT TODAY WIN THE
PRIMARY AND NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION. THE
CAMPAIGN FOR HIM, WAS ALWAYS A MARKETING OPPORTUNITY. I KNEW
EARLY ON IN MY WORK FOR MR. TRUMP, THAT HE WOULD DIRECT ME
TO LIE TO FURTHER HIS BUSINESS INTEREST. I AM ASHAME TODAY SAY
THAT WHEN IT WAS FOR A REAL-ESTATE MOGUL IN THE PRIVATE
SECTOR, I CONSIDERED IT TRIVIAL.
AS THE PRESIDENT, I CONSIDER IT
SIGNIFICANT AND DANGEROUS. IN THE MIST, LYING FOR MR. TRUMP
WAS NORMALIZED. NO ONE AROUND HIM QUESTIONED IT. NO ONE
QUESTIONS IT TODAY. A LOT OF PEOPLE ASK ME IF MR. TRUMP KNEW
ABOUT THE HAT DOCUMENTS AND THE COMMITTEE E-MAIL AHEAD OF TIME.
THE ANSWER IS YES. AS I EARLIER STATED MR. TRUMP KNEW FROM
ROGER STONE IN ADVANCE ABOUT THE
WIKILEAKS DROP OF E-MAILS. IN JULY OF 2016, DAYS BEFORE THE
DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION, I WAS IN MR. TRUMP’S OFFICE WHEN HIS
SECRETARY ANNOUNCED THAT ROGER STONE WAS ON THE PHONE. MR.
TRUMP AND MR. STONE — PUT MR. STONE ON THE SPEAKER ON. HE
TOLD MR. TRUMP THAT HE HAD JUST GOTTEN OFF THE PHONE WITH
JULIAN AND THAT HE TOLD MR. STONE THAT
WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAYS THERE WOULD BE A MASSIVE DUMP OF
E-MAILS THAT WOULD DAMAGE HILLARY CLINTON’S CAMPAIGN. MR.
TRUMP RESPONDED BY STATE TO GO THE AFFECT, WOULDN’T THAT BE
GREAT. MR. TRUMP IS A RACIST. THE COUNTRY HAS SEEN MR.
TRUMP COURT WHITE SUPREMACIST AND BIG
GOTS. YOU HAVE HEARD HIM CALL OTHER COUNTRIES IN
PRIVATE AND NOT IN PRIVATE. HE WAS WORSE. HE ASKED ME ONCE IF
I COULD NAME A COUNTRY RAN BY A BLACK PERSON THAT WAS NOT A
THIS WAS WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES. WHEN WE WERE DRIVING THROUGH A STRUGGLING
NEIGHBORHOOD IN CHICAGO, HE COMMENTED THAT ONLY BLACK PEOPLE
COULD LIVE THAT WAY. HE TOLD ME THAT BLACK PEOPLE WOULD NEVER
VOTE FOR HIM BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO STUPID. YET, I CONTINUED TO
WORK FOR HIM. MR. TRUMP IS A CHEAT. AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, I
AM GIVEN TO THE COMMITTEE TODAY THREE YEARS OF MR. TRUMP’S
PERSONAL FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FROM 2011 TO 2012, 2013 WHICH
HE GAVE TO DOLCHE BANK TO INQUIRE
ABOUT A LOAN TO BUY THE BUFFALO BILLS AND FORBES. THESE ARE
EXHIBITS 1A, 1B, 1C TO MY TESTIMONY. IT WAS MY EXPERIENCE
THAT MR. TRUMP INFLATED HIS TOTAL ASSETS WHEN IT SERVED THE
PURPOSE. SEISM EATS TRY TO GO BE LISTED AMONG THE WEALTHIEST
PEOPLE IN FORBES AND THEN DEAFLATED THE ASSETS TO REDUCE
THE REAL-ESTATE TAXES. I AM SHARING WITH YOU TWO NEWSPAPER
ARTICLES SIDE BY SIDE THAT ARE EXAMPLES OF MR. TRUMP INFLATE
ASKING DEFLATING THE ASSET SETS AS A SAID TO SUIT HIS FINAL
INTEREST. THESE ARE EXHIBITS TWO TO MY TESTIMONY. AS I
NOTED, I AM GIVEN THE COMMITTEE AN ARTICLE THAT HE WROTE AND
SENT TO ME THAT WAS AN AUCTION OF A PORTRAIT OF MR. TRUMP.
THIS IS EXHIBIT 3A TO MY TESTIMONY. MR. TRUMP DIRECTED
ME TO FIND A STRAWBERRY AND THEN
TO PURCHASE WHAT IS BEING AUCTIONED OFF AT AN ART HAMPTONS
EVENT. THE OBJECTIVE WAS TO INSURE THAT THIS PORTRAIT THAT
WAS GOING TO BE AUCTIONED LAST WOULD GO FOR THE HIGHEST PRICE
OF ANY PORTRAIT THAT AFTERNOON. THE PORTRAIT WAS PURCHASED FOR
$60,000. MR. TRUMP DIRECTED THE TRUMP FOUNDATION WHICH IS
SUPPOSED TO BE A CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION TO REPAY THE BIDDER
DESPITE KEEPING THE ART FOR HIMSELF. SEE EXHIBIT 3B TO MY
TESTIMONY. IT SHOULD COME AS NO SURPRISE THAT ONE OF MY MORE
COMMON RESPONSIBILITIES WAS THAT
MR. TRUMP DIRECTED ME TO CALL BUSINESS OWNER. MANY OF WHOM
ARE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT WERE OWED MONEY FOR THEIR SERVICES
AND TOLD THEM THAT NO PAYMENT OR
A REDUCED PAYMENT WOULD BE COMING WHEN I ASKED MR. TRUMP OR
WHEN I TOLD MR. TRUMP OF MY SUCCESS, HE CHUMMILY REVELLED IN
IT. YET, I CONTINUED TO WORK FOR HIM. MR. TRUMP IS A CONMAN.
HE ASKED ME TO PAY OFF AN ADULT
FILM STAR WHOM HE HAD AN AFFAIR AND TO LIE ABOUT IT TO HIS WIFE
WHICH I DID. LIE TO GO THE FIRST LADY IS ONE OF MY BIGGEST
REGRETS BECAUSE SHE IS A KIND, GOOD PERSON. I RESPECT HER
GREATLY, AND SHE DID NOT DESERVE
THAT. I AM GIVING THE COMMITTEE TODAY, A COPY OF THE
$10030,000 — $130,000 WIRE
TRANSFER TO MRS. CLIFFORDS ATTORNEY THAT WAS DEMANDED BY
MRS. CLIFFORD TO MAINTAIN THE SILENCE ABOUT HER AFFAIR WITH
MR. TRUMP, AND THIS IS EXHIBIT 4
TO MY TESTIMONY. MR. TRUMP DIRECTED ME TO USE MY OWN
PERSONAL FUNDS FROM A HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT TO AVOID
MY MONEY BEING TRACED BACK TO HIM THAT COULD NEGATIVELY
IMPACT THE CAMPAIGN. I DID THAT TOO
WITHOUT BOTHERING TO CONSIDER WHETHER THAT WAS IMPROPER OR
MUCH LESS THIS WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO OR HOW IT WOULD
IMPACT ME, MY FAMILY, OR THE PUBLIC. I AM GLOWING TO JAMES
IN PART BECAUSE OF MY DECISION TO HELP MR. TRUMP HIDE THAT
PAYMENT FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
BEFORE THEY VOTED A FEW DAYS LATER. AS EXHIBIT 5A TO MY
TESTIMONY SHOWS, I AM PROVIDING A COPY OF A $35,000 CHECK THAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP PERSONALLY SIGN FROM HIS PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT
ON AUGUST 1ST, 2017, WHEN HE WAS
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES PURSUING TO THE COVERER UP
WHICH WAS THE BASIS OF MY GUILTY PLEA
TO REIMBURSE ME THE WORDS USED BY MR. TRUMP’S TV LAWYER FOR
THE ILLEGAL HUSH-MONEY THAT I PAID
ON HIS BEHALF. THIS $35,000 CHECK WAS ONE OF 11 CHECK
INSTALLMENTS THAT WAS PAID THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WHILE HE
WASMENT. OTHER CHECKS TO REIMBURSE ME FOR THE HUSH-MONEY
PAYMENTS WERE SIGNED BY DONALD TRUMP, JR. AND ALLEN WEISBURG.
SEE 5B THERE ARE THAT. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
THUS WROTE A PERSONAL CHECK FOR THE PAYMENT OF HUSH-MONEY AS
PART OF A CRIMINAL SCHEME TO VIOLATE CAMPAIGN FINANCES LAWS.
YOU CAN FIND THE DETAILS OF THAT
SCHEME DIRECTED BY MR. TRUMP IN THE PLEADINGS AND THE U.S.
DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. PICTURE
THIS AT THE SCENE. IN FEBRUARY OF 2017, ONE MONTH IN TO HIS
PRESIDENCY I AM VISITINGMENT TRUMP IN THE OVAL OFFICE FOR
THE FIRST TIME. IT’S TRULY AWE
INSPIRING. HE IS SHOWING ME ALL AROUND AND POINTING TO
DIFFERENT PAINTINGS. HE SAYS TO ME, DON’T
WORRY MICHAEL, YOUR JANUARY AND FEBRUARY REIMBURSEMENT CHECKS
ARE COMING. THEY WERE FED EXED FROM NEW YORK, AND IT TAKES A
WHILE FOR THAT TO GET THROUGH THE WHITE HOUSE SYSTEM. AS HE
PROMISED, I RECEIVE IT HAD FIRST
CHECK TO REIMBURSEMENT OF $70,000 NOT LONG AFTER. WHEN I
SAY CONMAN, I AM TALKING ABOUT A
MAN THAT DECLARES HIMSELF BRILLIANT BUT DIRECTED KNOW
THREATEN HIS HIGH SCHOOL, HIS COLLEGES AND THE COLLEGE BOARD
TO NEVER RELEASE HIS GRADES OR SAT SCORES. AS I MENTIONED, I
AM GIVING THE COMMITTEE TODAY COPIES OF A LETTER THAT I SENT
AT MR. TRUMP’S DIRECTION THREATENING THESE SCHOOLS WITH
CIVIL AND CRIMINAL ACTION IFS MR. TRUMP’S GRADES OR SAT
SCORES WERE EVER DISCLOSED WITHOUT HIS
PERMISSION. THESE ARE UNDER EXHIBITS 6. THE IRONY WAS NOT
LOST ON ME AT THE TIME THAT MR. TRUMP IN 2011 HAD STRONGLY
CRITICIZED PRESIDENT OBAMA FOR NOT RELEASING HIS GRADES. AS
YOU CAN SEE IN THE EXHIBIT 7, MR. TRUMP DECLARED LET ME SHOW
HIS RECORDS AFTER CALLING PRESIDENT OBAMA A TERRIBLE
STUDENT. THE SAD FACT IS THAT I NEVER HEARD MR. TRUMP SAY
ANYTHING IN PRIVATE THAT LED ME TO BELIEVE HE LOVED OUR NATION
OR WANTED TO MAKE IT BETTER. IN FACT, HE DID THE OPPOSITE. WHEN
TELLING ME IN 2008 OR 2009 THAT HE WAS CUTTING EMPLOYEE
SALARIES IN HALF INCLUDING MINE. HE
SHOWED ME WHAT HE CLAIMS A $10 MILLION IRS TAX REFUND, AND
HE SAID THAT HE WOULD NOT BELIEVE HOW STUPID THE
GOVERNMENT WAS FOR GIVING SOMEONE LIKE HIM THAT MUCH MONEY
BACK. DURING THE CAMPAIGN, MR. TRUMP SAID THAT HE DID NOT
CONSIDER VIETNAM VETERAN AND PRISONER OF WAR SENATOR JOHN
McCAIN TO BE A HERO BECAUSE HE LIKES PEOPLE THAT WERE NOT
CAPTURED. AT THE SAME TIME, MR. TRUMP ASKED ME TO HANDLE AND
NEGATIVELY PRESS SURROUNDING HIS
MEDICAL DEFERMENT FROM THE VIETNAM DRAFT. MR. TRUMP CLAIM
THAT HAD IT WAS BECAUSE OF A BONE SPUR, BUT WHEN I ASKED FOR
MEDICAL RECORD, HE GAVE ME KNOWN
AND SAID THERE WAS NO SURGERY. HE SAID NOT THE ANSWER THE
SPECIFIC QUESTIONS BY REPORTERS,
BUT OFFER SIMPLY THE FACT THAT HE RECEIVED A FEDERAL
DEFERMENT. HE FINISHED THE CONVERSATION
WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENT, DO YOU THINK I’M STUPID. I’M NOT
GOING VIETNAM. I FIND IT IRONIC MR. TRUMP THAT YOU’RE IN
VIETNAM RIGHT NOW. YET, I CONTINUE TO
WORK FOR HIM. QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN RAISED ON WHETHER IF I
KNOW OF DIRECT EVIDENCE THAT MR.
TRUMP OR HIS CAMPAIGN COLLUDED WITH RUSSIA. I DO NOT. I WANT
TO BE CLEAR . I HAVE MY
SUSPENSIONS. SOME TIME IN THE SUMMER OF 2017 I READ THERE WAS
A MEETING IN TRUMP TOWER IN JUNE
OF 2016 INVOLVING DON JR. AND OTHERS FROM RUSSIA AND
INCLUDING A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE RUSSIAN
GOVERNMENT AND AN E-MAIL SETTING
UP THE MEETING WITH THE SUBJECT LINE DIRT ON HILLARY CLINTON.
SOMETHING CLICK IN MY MIND. I REMEMBER BEING IN A ROOM WITH
MR. TRUMP AND PROBABLY IN EARLY JUNE OF 2016 WHEN SOMETHING
HAPPENED. DONALD TRUMP CAME IN TO THE ROOM AND WALKSED BEHIND
HIS FATHER’S DECK WHICH IN OF ITSELF WAS UNUSUAL. PEOPLE DID
NOT JUST WALK BEHIND MR. TRUMP’S
DESK TO TALK TO HIM. I RECALL DON JR. LEANING OVER TO HIS
FATHER AND SPEAKING IN A LOW VOICE, THAT I COULD YEARLY HEAR
AND SAYING THE MEETING IS ALL SET. I REMEMBER MR. TRUMP
SAYING, OKAY GOOD. LET ME KNOW. WHAT STRUCK ME AS I
LOOKED BACK AND THOUGHT ABOUT THE EXCHANGE
BETWEEN DON JR. AND HIS FATHER, WAS FIRST THAT MR. TRUMP HAD
FREQUENTLY TOLD ME AND OTHERS THAT HIS SON DR. JR. HAD THE
WORST JUDGMENT OF ANYONE IN THE WORLD. ALSO, THAT DON JR. WOULD
NEVER SET UP ANY MEETING OF SIGNIFICANCE ALONE, AND
CERTAINLY NOT WITHOUT CHECKING WITH HIS FATHER. I ALSO KNEW
THAT NOTHING WE WANT ON IN TRUMP
WORLD ESPECIALLY THE CAMPAIGN WITHOUT MR. TRUMP’S KNOWLEDGE
AND APPROVAL. I CONCLUDED THAT DON JR. WAS REFERRING TO THAT
JUNE 2016 TRUMP TOWER MEETING WITH DIRT ON HILLARY WITH THE
RUSSIAN REPRESENTATIVES WHEN HE WALKED BEHIND HIS DAD’S DESK
THAT DAY, AND THAT MR. TRUMP KNEW THAT WAS THE MEETING THAT
DON JR. WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN HE SAID THAT’S GOOD. LET ME
KNOW. OVER THE PAST YEAR OR SO, I HAVE DONE SOME REAL SOUL
SEARCHING, AND I SEE NOW THAT MY
AMBITION AND THE INTOXICATION OF
TRUMP TOWER HAD MUCH TO DO WITH THE BAD DECISIONS IN PART THAT
I MADE. TO YOU CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS
AND RANKING MEMBER JIRD SXN OTHER MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE
HOUSE AND SENATE, I AM SORRY FOR
MY LIES AND LYING TO CONGRESS. TO OUR NATION, I AM SORRY FOR
ACTIVELY WORKING TO HIDE FROM YOU THE TRUTH ABOUT MR. TRUMP
WHEN YOU NEEDED IT MOST. FOR THOSE WHO QUESTION MY MOTIVES
FOR BEING HERE TODAY, I UNDERSTAND. I HAVE LIED. I AM
NOT A LIAR . I HAVE DONE BAD
THINGS, BUT I AM NOT A BAD MAN. I HAVE FIXED THINGS, BUT I AM
NO LONGER YOUR FIXER MR. TRUMP. I
AM GOING TO PRISON AND HAVE SHATTERED THE SAFETY AND
SECURITY THAT I TRIED SO HARD TO
PROVIDE FOR MY FAMILY. MY TESTIMONY CERTAINLY DOES NOT
DIMINISH THE PAIN THAT I HAVE CAUSED MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
NOTHING CAN DO THAT. I HAVE NEVER ASKED FOR IT NOR WOULD I
EXPECT A PARDON FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP:BY COMING TODAY, I HAVE
CAUSED MY FAMILY TO BE THE TARGET OF PERSONAL ATTACKS BY
THE PRESIDENT AND HIS LAWYER TRYING TO IN TAME DATE ME FROM
APPEARING BEFORE THIS PANEL. MR. TRUMP CALLED ME A RAT FOR
DECIDING TO TELL THE TRUTH. MUCH LIKE A MOBSTER WOULD DO
WHEN ONE OF HIS MEN WOULD DECIDE
TO COOPERATE WITH THE GOVERNMENT. AS EXHIBIT 8 SHOWS,
I HAVE PROVIDED THE COMMITTEE WITH COPIES OF TWEETS THAT MR.
TRUMP POSTED ATTACKING ME AND MY
FAMILY. ONLY SOMEONE BURYING HIS HEAD IN THE SAND WOULD NOT
RECOGNIZE THEM FOR WHAT THEY ARE, ENCOURAGE FOR SOMEONE TO
DO HARM TO ME AND MY FAMILY. I
NEVER IMAGINED THAT HE WOULD ENGAGE IN VICIOUS, FALSE ATAX
ON MY FAMILY — FALSE ATTACKS ON MY
FAMILY AND UNLEASH HIS LAWYER TO
DO THE SAME. I HOPE THAT THIS COMMITTEE AND ALL MEMBERS OF
CONGRESS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE MAKE IT CLEAR THAT AS A
NATION, WE SHOULD NOT TOLERATE ATTEMPTS TO INTIMIDATE NATIONS
BEFORE CONGRESS AND ATTACKS ON FAMILY ARE IT OUT OF BOUNDS AND
NOT ACCEPTABLE. I WISH TO ESPECIALLY THANK SPEAKER PELOSI
FOR HER STATEMENTS WHICH IS EXHIBIT 9 TO PROTECT THE
INSTITUTION AND ME AND THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE ON JELL
GENS ADAM SHIFT, AND YOU CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS FOR LIKE WISE
DEFENDING THE INSTITUTION AND MY
FAMILY AGAINST THE ATTACKS BY MRCHLTD TRUMP AND ALSO THE —
MR. TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICANS THAT HAVE AMONOISHED THE
PRESIDENT AS WELL. I AM NOT A PERFECT MAN. I HAVE DONE THINGS
THAT I’M NOT PROUD OF. I WILL LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF
MY ACTIONS FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.
TODAY, I GET TO DECIDE THE EXAMPLE THAT I SET FOR MY
CHILDREN AND HOW I ATTEMPT TO CHANGE HOW HISTORY WILL
REMEMBER ME. I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO CHANGE
THE PAST, BUT I CAN DO RIGHT BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HERE TODAY.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION, AND I’M HAPPY TO ANSWER THE
COMMITTEES QUESTIONS.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. COHEN. I RECOGNIZE MYSELF.
>>I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU
REALLY UNDERSTAND SOMETHING. YOU HAVE ADMIT TODAY LYING TO
CONGRESS TO THIS VERY BODY, AND NOW YOU’RE GOING PRISON FOR IT.
DO YOU MR. COHEN, RECOGNIZE THE GRAVITY OF YOUR — YOU’RE A
LAWYER, RIGHT?>>AS OF YESTERDAY, I AM NO
LONGER A LAWYER. I HAVE LOST MY LAW LICENSE AMONG OTHER THINGS.>>BUT YOU UNDERSTAND THE
GRAVITY OF THIS MOMENT?>>I CERTAIN DO MR. CHAIRMAN.>>I WANT YOU TO REALLY HEAR
THIS. WE WILL NOT TOLERATE LYING TO THIS CONGRESS BY
ANYBODY. WE’RE IN SEARCH OF THE TRUTH. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
>>I DO. MADE NUMEROUS STATEMENTS THAT
TURNED OUT TO BE AN ACCURATE FOR
EXAMPLE HE SAID THAT HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THE HUSH-MONEY
PAYMENTS TO MRS. CLIFFORD AND THEN THE 2017 FINANCIAL
DISCLOSURE FORM SAID THAT HE NEVER OWED MONEY TO REIMBURSE
YOU FOR THOSE PAYMENTS. YET, IN YOUR TESTIMONY MR. COHEN, YOU
SAID THAT YOU MET WITH THE PRESIDENT IN THE OVAL OFFICE IN
FEBRUARY OF 2017 AND DISCUSSED THE PLANS TO BE REIMBURSED FOR
MONEY THAT YOU PAID. YOU SAY THAT HE TOLD YOU, “DON’T WORRY
MICHAEL. YOUR JANUARY AND FEBRUARY REIMBURSEMENT CHECKS
ARE COMING.” IS THAT ACCURATE, AND WAS THAT
IN THE OVOL OFFICE?>>THE STATEMENT IS ACCURATE,
BUT THE DISCUSSIONS REGARDING THE REIMBURSEMENT OCCURRED LONG
BEFORE HE BECAME PRESIDENT.>>WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT.>>BACK IN 2017 WHEN — I
APOLOGIZE IN 2016 PRIOR TO THE
ELECTION, I WAS CONTACTED BY KEITH DAVIDSON WHO IS THE
ATTORNEY OR WAS THE ATTORNEY FOR
MRS. CLIFFORD AND STORMY DANIELS. AFTER SEVERAL ROUNDS
OF CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM ABOUT PURCHASING HER LIFE RIGHTS FOR
$130,000, WHAT I DID EACH AND EVERY TIME IS GO STRAIGHT IN TO
MR. TRUMP’S OFFICE AND DISCUSS THE ISSUE WITH HIM. WHEN IT WAS
ULTIMATELY DETERMINED, AND THAT WAS DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION,
THAT MR. TRUMP WAS GOING PAY THE
$130,000. IN THE OFFICE WITH ME WAS THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER
OF THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. HE ACKNOWLEDGED TO ALLEN THAT HE
WAS GOING PAY THE $130,000, AND THAT ALLEN AND I SHOULD GO BACK
TO HIS OFFICE AND FIGURE OUT HOW
TO DO IT. YES, SIR, I STAND BY THE STATEMENT THAT I GAVE, BUT
THERE WAS A HISTORY TO IT.>>IN YOUR TESTIMONY, YOU
HAVE — YOU SAID THAT YOU BOUGHT
SOME CHECKS?>>YES, SIR.>>LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT ONE OF
THESE. THIS — FROM THE TRUMP
TRUST THAT HOLDS THE PRESIDENT’S
BUSINESS, CAN YOU TELL ME WHO SIGNS THIS CHECK?>>I BELIEVE THE TOP SIGNATURE
IS DONALD TRUMP, JR. AND THAT THE BOTTOM SIGNATURE I BELIEVE
IS ALLEN.>>CAN YOU TELL ME THE DATE OF
THE CHECK.>>THE DATE ON THE CHECK IS
AFTER PRESIDENT TRUMP HELD HIS BIG PRESS CONFERENCE CLAIMING THAT HE GAVE UP CONTROL. .
>>>WOULD DISRKS WHEN P YOU FILED A FLS TAX RUN RETURN WHEN YOU FALL HE HEED TO
ROMP $260,000 A YEAR. THAT’S FIVE
YEARS. >>YES.
>>WHEN YOU MADE FALSE STATEMENTS TO FINANCIAL
INSTITUTIONS CONCERNING A LINE OF CREDIT, TAXI MEDALLIONS AND
YOU PLED GUILTY TO MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS TO THOSE BANKS WAS
THAT ALL DONE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT?
>>NO IT WAS NOT. >>HOW ABOUT THIS ONE, WHEN YOU
CREATED THE FAKE TWITTER ACCOUNT, WOMEN FOR COHEN AND
PAID A FIRM TO POST TWEETS LIKE THIS ONE, IN A WORLD OF LIES,
DECEPTION AND FRAUD WE APPRECIATE THIS HONEST
GUY, AT MICHAEL COHEN, WAS THAT DONE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT?
>>I DID NOT SET THAT UP. IT WAS DONE BY A YOUNG LADY THAT WORKED
FOR REDFIN, DURING THE COURSE OF THE CAMPAIGN IT WAS CRAZY AND
WILD, THAT’S WHAT IT WAS, WE WERE HAVING FUN.
>>WAS IT DONE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT?
>>IT WAS NNOT TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT.
>>DID YOU PAY A FIRM TO CREATE THIS.
>>IT WAS DONE BY A YOUNG LADY THAT WORKED FOR THE FIRM AND WE
WERE HAVING FUN DURING A STRESSFUL TIME.
>>THE POINT IS, DID YOU LIE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT OR TO TWO
TEXT YOURSELF. >>I AM NOT SURE HOW THAT HELPED
ME, SIR. >>THE CHAIRMAN JUST GAVE YOU A
30 MINUTE OPENING STATEMENT AND YOU HAVE A HISTORY OF LYING OVER
AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND FRANKLY YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE
MY WORD FOR IT. TAKE WHAT THE COURT SAID. TAKE WHAT THE
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK SAID. COHEN DID CRIMES THAT WERE
MARKED BY A PATTERN OF DECEPTION AND PERMEATED HIS PROFESSIONAL
LIFE, THESE CRIMES WERE A COMMON SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES, THEY EACH
INVOLVED DECEPTION AND WERE MOTIVATED BY GREED AND AMBITION,
A PATTERN OF DECEPTION FOR GREED. AND YOU GOT 30 MINUTES OF
AN OPENING STATEMENT WHERE YOU TRASHED THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA. HOW LONG DID YOU WORK FOR DONALD TRUMP.
>>A DECADE. >>10 YEARS?
>>THAT’S CORRECT. >>YOU SAID ALL OF THE THINGS
ABOUT THE PRESIDENT FOR THE LAST 30 MINUTES AND YOU WORKED FOR
HIM FOR 10 YEARS, IF ITS THAT BAD I CAN SEE YOU WORKING FOR
HIM FOR 10 DAYS, MAYBE 10 WEEKS MAYBE 10 MONTHS BUT YOU WORKED
FOR HIM FOR 10 YEARS, MR. COHEN, HOW LONG DID YOU WORK IN THE
WHITE HOUSE? >>I NEVER WORKED IN THE WHITE
HOUSE. >>THAT’S THE POINT ISN’T IT?
>>NO SIR. >>YOU WANTED TO WORK IN THE
WHITE HOUSE AND YOU DID NOT GET BROUGHT TO THE DANCE.
>>I WAS EXTREMELY PROUD TO BE THE PERSONAL ATTORNEY OF THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, I DID NOT WANT TO GO
TO THE WHITE HOUSE, I WAS OFFERED JOBS, I CAN TELL YOU A
STORY OF MR. TRUMP REAMING OUT MR.
PREBIUS BECAUSE I HAD NOT TAKEN A JOB WITH THE PRESIDENT’S
COUNCIL. WHAT I SAID AT THE TIME AND I BROUGHT A LAWYER IN WHO
PRODUCED A MEMO AS TO WHY I SHOULD NOT GO IN BECAUSE THERE
WOULD BE TO ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND IN ORDER TO HANDLE
SOME OF THE MATTERS THAT I TALKED ABOUT IN MY OPENING, IT
WOULD BE BEST SUITED FOR ME NOT TO GO IN AND THAT EVERY
PRESIDENT HAD A PERSONAL ATTORNEY.
>>HERE’S WHAT I SEE, I SEE A GUY WHO WORKED FOR 10 YEARS, YOU
ARE TRASHING THE GUY YOU WORKED FOR FOR 10 YEARS, YOU DID NOT
GET A JOB IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND YOU ARE BEHAVING JUST LIKE
EVERYONE ELSE WHO DID NOT GET THE JOB THAT THEY WANTED. LIKE
ANDY MCCABE AND FORMER FBI DIRECTOR JAMES COMEY.
>>ALL THAT I WANTED WAS WHAT I GOT, TO BE PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO
THE PRESIDENT, TO ENJOY THE SENIOR YEAR OF MY SON IN HIGH
SCHOOL AND WAITING FOR MY DAUGHTER WHO IS GRADUATING FROM
COLLEGE TO COME BACK TO NEW YORK, I GOT EXACTLY WHAT I
WANTED. I RECEIVED EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED.
>>THE GENTLEMEN’S TIME IS EXPIRED. MISS WASSERMAN SCHULTZ.
>>>. >>MR. COHEN THANK THANK YOU FOR
BEING HERE, AS YOU KNOW I SERVED AS THE CHAIR OF THE DEMOCRATIC
COMMITTEE DURING THE RUSSIAN HACK BUT MY QUESTIONS ARE NOT
ABOUT THE HARM DONE TO ANY INDIVIDUAL BY WIKILEAKS AND THE RUSSIANS, IT’S
ABOUT THE POSSIBLE HARM TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, I HAVE
A THEORY, IS IT YOUR TESTIMONY THAT MR. TRUMP HAD ADVANCED
KNOWLEDGE OF THE RUSSIA WIKILEAKS DNC E-MAILS.
>>I CANNOT ANSWER THAT IN A YES OR NO, HE HAD A ADVANCED NOTICE
THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A DUMP OF E-MAILS BUT AT NO TIME
DID I HEAR THE SPECIFICITY OF WHAT THOSE E-MAILS WERE GOING TO
BE. >>BUT YOU ARE TESTIFYING THAT
HE HAD ADVANCED KNOWLEDGE OF THEIR IMMEANT RELEASE AND THAT
HE CHEERED THAT OUTCOME. >>.
>>DID HE LIKELY SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH HIS DAUGHTER OR
SON OR JARED KUSHNER. >>I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT.
>>WERE THEY INVOLVED IN THE RUSSIAN TOWER DEAL.
>>THE COMPANY WAS INVOLVED IN THE DEAL WHICH MEANT THAT THE
FAMILY WAS INVOLVED IN THE DEAL.>>IF MR. TRUMP AND HIS DAUGHTER AND
SON ARE INVOLVED IN THE RUSSIAN TRUMP TOWER DEAL IS IT POSSIBLE
THAT THEY ARE CONFLICTED WITH A FOREIGN ADVERSARY IN THE MONTHS
BEFORE THE ELECTION? >>YES.
>>BASED ON YOUR BUSINESS WITH THE PRESIDENT AND HIS
RELATIONSHIP WITH MR. STONE DO YOU HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THAT
THE PRESIDENT AUTHORIZED MR. STONE TO MAKE CONTACT WITH
WIKILEAKS. >>I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT.
>>WAS MR. STONE A FREE AGENT REPORTING BACK TO THE PRESIDENT
ON WHAT HE HAD DONE OR AN AGENT OF THE CAMPAIGN.
>>HE WAS A FREE AGENT. >>A FREE AGENT THAT WAS
REPORTING BACK TO THE PRESIDENT WHAT HE HAD DONE?
>>CORRECT, HE FREQUENTLY REACHED OUT TO MR. TRUMP AND MR.
TRUMP WAS VERY HAPPY TOO TAKE HIS CALLS, IT WAS FREE SERVICE.
>>ROGER STONE SAID HE NEVER SPOKE WITH MR. TRUMP ABOUT
WIKILEAKS, HOW CAN WE CORROBORATE WHAT YOU ARE VAGUE?
>>ARE, SAYING. >>I DO NOT KNOW BUT I SUSPECT
THAT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE AND OTHER GOVERNMENT
AGENCIES HAVE INFORMATION ON WHAT YOU ARE
SEEKING. >>THE WIKILEAKS RELEASE HAPPENED HOURS
AFTER THE ACCESS HOLLYWOOD RELEASE.
>>I WAS NOT IN THE COUNTRY AT THE TIME OF THE BILLY BUSH TAPE.
I WAS IN LONDON VISITING MY DAUGHTER.
>>KNOWING THAT MR. TRUMP OPERATES WITH A WINNING AT ALL
COST MENTALITY, DO YOU BELIEVE HE WOULD COOPERATE OR KOL LEWD
WITH A FOREIGN POWER TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY, IS HE CAPABLE OF
THAT. >>IT’S SPECULATING.
>>YOU HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE.
>>MR. TRUMP IS ALL ABOUT WINNING, HE WILL DO WHAT IS
NECESSARY TO WIN. >>IN YOUR OPINION AND
EXPERIENCE WOULD HE HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO COOPERATE OR CLUED
WITH A FOREIGN POWER TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY AT ALL COSTS?
>>YES. >>BASED ON WHAT YOU KNOW, WOULD
MR. TRUMP OR DID HE LIE ABOUT CLUING AND COORDINATING WITH THE
RUSSIANS AT ANY POINT DURING THE CAMPAIGN?
>>AS I STATE INDEED MY, STATED IN MY TESTIMONY, I WOULD NOT USE THE WORD KOL COLLUDING, WAS THERE SOMETHING
ODD ABOUT THE BACK AND FOURTH PRAISE WITH MR. PUTIN, YES, BUT
I WAS NOT PART OF THE CAMPAIGN, I DO NOT KNOW THE OTHER
CONVERSATIONS THAT MR. TRUMP HAD WITH OTHER INDIVIDUALS, THERE
ARE JUST SO MANY DOTS THAT LEAD TO THE SAME DIRECTION.
>>THE CAMPAIGN AND THE ENTIRE TRUMP ORGANIZATION APPEARED TO
BE FITY WITH RUSSIAN CONTACTS, THERE ARE RUSSIAN BUSINESS
CONTACTS, THERE ARE CAMPAIGN RUSSIAN CONTACTS, THERE ARE LIES
ABOUT ALL OF THOSE CONTACTS AND THEN WE HAVE ROGER STONE
INFORMING THE PRESIDENT JUST BEFORE THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL
CONVENTION THAT WIKILEAKS WAS GOING TO DROP DOCUMENTS IN THE
PUBLIC ARENA THAT WE KNEW AT THAT POINT WERE HACKED AND
STOLEN BY RUSSIA FROM THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE.
>>THE LADI’ TIME HAS EXPIRED. YOU MAY ANSWER HER INQUIRY.
>>GIVEN ALL THOSE CONNECTIONS, IS IT LIKELY THAT DONALD TRUMP
WAS FULLY AWARE AND HAD EVERY INTENT OF WORKING WITH RUSSIA TO
HELP MAKE SURE THAT HE COULD WIN THE PRESIDENCY AT ALL COSTS.
>>LET ME SAY THIS IS A MATTER THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING HANDLED
BY THE HOUSE SELECT AND THE SENATE SELECT INTELLIGENCE
COMMITTEES, I WOULD RATHER NOT ANSWER THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION
OTHER THAN JUST TO TELL YOU THAT MR. TRUMP’S DESIRE TO WIN WOULD
HAVE HIM WORK WITH ANYONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD SAID IN
MY STATEMENT, WHEN IT CAME TO THE TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW PROJECT,
WORTH HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, WE NEVER EXPECTED TO
WIN THE ELECTION. SO THIS WAS JUST BUSINESS AS USUAL.
>>THANK YOU MR. COHEN. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
>>THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, RANGING MEMBER JORDAN. THE CHAIRMAN AND
THE COMMITTEE PROMISED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE A TRANSPARENT
PROCESS BUT THEY HAVE ISSUED A GAG ORDER ON WHAT THEY CAN AND
CANNOT TALK ABOUT, MY COLLEAGUES CLAIM THAT THEY WANT THE TRUTH
AND TRANSPARENCY AND FAIR OVERSIGHT BUT THE DEMOCRATS
WITNESS IS NONE OTHER THAN A SCORED MAN WHO IS GOING TO
PRISON FOR LYING TO CONGRESS, LET THAT SINK IN, HE IS GOING TO
PRISON FOR LYING TO CONGRESS AND HE IS THE STAR WITNESS TO
CONGRESS, IF YOU READ THE SENTENCING REPORT, WORDS LIKE
DECEPTIVE AND GREEDY ARE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE REPORT. IT PAINTS A PICTURE OF A
NARCISIST BUT HE IS THE PARTY’S STAR WITNESS, IF THE DEMOCRATS
WERE AFTER THE TRUTH THEY WOULD HAVE AN HONEST PERSON TESTIFYING
OR IF THEY WERE REALLY AFTER THE TRUTH THEY WOULD NOT RETRICT THE
TOPICS BUT LETS RESTRICT THE TOPICS, THE FIRST TOPIC I CAN
CAN ASK MR. COHEN IS ABOUT THE
PRESIDENT’S DEBTS BUT DIDN’T MR. COHEN PLEAD GUILTY FOR LYING TO
BANKS, WE ARE ASKING A GUY WHO IS GOING TO JAIL FOR LYING ABOUT
HIS DEBTS TO COMMENT ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S DEBTS. YOUR NEXT
TOPICS SAY KI SCW ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S COMPLIANCE WITH
DISCLOSURES BUT DIDN’T MR. COHEN ON TWO OWE OCCASIONS BREAK
CAMPAIGN LAWS, SO THE STAR WITNESS IS A GUY WHO BROKE
COMPLIANCE LAWS HIMSELF, YOU GRACIOUSLY ALLOW US TO ASK
QUESTIONS OF MR. COHEN ON THE PRESIDENT’S DEALINGS WITH THE
IRS AND TAX LAW, YOUR STAR WITNESS BROKE THE LAW WITH THE
IRS AT LEAST FIVE TIMES, HE IS THE BEST WITNESS YOU GOT? NEXT
UP WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE CHAIRMAN I GET TO ASK MR. COHEN
ABOUT HIS PERSPECTIVE ON THE PRESIDENT’S BUSINESS DEALINGS,
LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT. THE WITNESS LIED TO MULTIPLE
FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS TO GET LOANS TO PAY OFF OTHER LOANS TO
KEEP HIMSELF AFLOAT AND HE IS THE EXPERT ON BUSINESS
PRACTICES, THE WITNESS MAY PRODUCE
DOCUMENTS THAT HE SUGGESTED INCRIMINATE THE PRESIDENT BUT HE
LIES TO BANKS, ALL OF THOSE LIES WERE DONE ON DOCUMENTS THAT HE
FORGED. NOTHING HE SAYS OR PRODUCES HAS ANY CREDIBILITY.
APPARENTLY HE LIED ABOUT DELIVERING HIS ON CHILD. HOW ON
EARTH IS THIS WITNESS CREDIBLE. WITH ALL OF THE LIES AND
SELF-SERVING FRAUD IT BEGS THE QUESTION, WHAT IS THE MAJORITY
PARTY DOING HERE, NO ONE CAN SEE THIS GUY AS CREDIBLE. HE WILL
SAY WHAT EVER HE WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH HIS OWN PERSONAL
GOALS, HE IS A FAKE WITNESS AND HIS PRESENCE HERE IS A TRAVESTY,
I HOPE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SEE THROUGH THIS. I KNOW THE
PEOPLE BACK IN TENNESSEE WILL. WITH THAT STATEMENT, SIR I HAVE
A FEW QUESTIONS OF THE WITNESS, WITH YOUR LOSS OF YOUR LAW
LICENSE, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT IN YOUR OPENING STATEMENT
THAT YOU HAD BEEN DISBARRED, WHAT IS YOUR SOURCE OF INCOME IN
THE FUTURE. >>I DO NOT EXPECT I AM GOING TO
HAVE A SOURCE OF INCOME WHEN I AM IN FEDERAL PENITENTIARY.
>>IS THERE A BOOK DEAL COMING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
>>I HAVE NO BOOK DEAL IN THE PROCESS, I HAVE BEEN CONTACT THE
BY MANY INCLUDING FOR TELEVISION AND A MOVIE, IF YOU WANT TO TELL
ME WHO WILL PLAY YOU I WILL WRITE THE NAME DOWN BUT I WOULD
LIKE TO CORRECT YOUR STATEMENT ON ME. NO INDIVIDUAL.
>>ONE QUICK QUESTION, WHO PAID YOUR EXPENSIVES TO CONDITIONS TO
BE HERE TODAY. >>I PAID MY EXPENSES.
>>I WOULD LIKE TO YIELD THE REMAINDER OF MY TIME TO THE
RANKING MEMBER. >>HOW MESSENGER TIMES HAVE YOU
TALKED TO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE STFT SEVEN.
>>DID THEY TALK TO YOU AT ALL IN PREPARATION FOR TODAY’S
HEARING BETWEEN THE SEVEN TIMES YOU TALKED TO THEM PRIOR TO YOUR
SENTENCING, DID YOU ARE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SPECIAL
COUNSEL’S OFFICE BETWEEN THE SENTENCING AND TODAY.
>>YOU TALKED TO THEM SEVEN TIMES, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU
TALKED TO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE SINCE THEN UP TO TODAY
FOR YOUR APPEARANCE IN CONGRESS.>>THE GENTLEMEN’S TIME HAS
EXPIRED. YOU MAY ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
>>I DO NOT HAVE THAT ANSWER TO THAT.
>>OKAY. >>MALONEY.
>>MR. COHEN, IN YOUR 10 YEARS OF WORKING FOR DONALD TRUMP, DID
HE CONTROL EVERYTHING THAT WENT ON IN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION AND
DID YOU HAVE TO GET HIS PERMISSION IN ADVANCE AND REPORT
BACK AFTER EVERY MEETING OF ANY
IMPORTANCE? >>YES.
>>>THERE WAS NOT GUILTY HAD A HAPPENED AT THE TRUMP
ORGANIZATION FROM WHETHER IT WAS A RESPONSE AS THE DAILY BEAST
STORY THAT YOU REFERRED TO, RANKING MEMBER, THAT DID NOT GO
THROUGH MR. TRUMP WITH HIS APPROVAL AND SIGN OFF, AS IN THE
CASE OF THE PAYMENTS. >>HOW MANY TIMES DID THE
PRESIDENT, MICHAEL, ASK YOU OR DIRECT YOU TO TRY TO REACH
SETTLEMENTS WITH WOMEN IN 2015 AND 2016.
>>I’M SORRY MA’AM, I DO NOT HAVE THAT ANSWER TO THAT. I
WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND TRY TO REMEMBER, IT’S CERTAINLY THE TWO
THAT WE KNOW ABOUT. >>WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THE
PRESIDENT DID NOT PROVIDE THE ACCURATE INFORMATION IN HIS 2017
FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORM, WHAT WAS HE TRYING TO HIDE. HE
CORRECTED OTHER FORMS BUT HE DID NOT CORRECT THIS ONE.
>>THE PAYMENTS ON THE REIMBURSEMENT OF THE FUNDS I
EXTENDED ON HIS BEHALF. >>CAN YOU ELABORATE MORE?
>>GOING BACK TO THE STATEMENT AS I STATED WHEN ALAM AND I LEFT
THE OFFICE AND WENT TO HIS OFFICE IN ORDER TO DETERMINE HOW
THE MONEY WAS GOING TO BE WIRED TO THE IOLA, THE INTEREST ON THE
LAWYERS ACCOUNT CONKEITH DAIFTSON IN CALIFORNIA, I ASKED
HIM HOW ELSE WE COULD DO IT, HE ASKED ME WHETHER OR NOT I KNEW
ANYBODY WHO WANTED TO HAVE A PARTY AT ONE OF HIS CLUBS THAT
COULD PAY ME INSTEAD OR SOMEBODY WHO WANTED TO BECOME A MEMBER OF
ONE OF THE GOLF CLUBS, I DID NOT HAVE ANYBODY THAT WAS INTERESTED
IN THAT, IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE IT WAS DOWN TO THE WIRE,
WHERE SOMEBODY WIRED THE FUNDS AND PURCHASED THE LIFE RIGHTS TO
THE STORY FROM MISS CLIFFORD OR IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED AND
EMBARRASSED THE PRESIDENT. >>BUT THE PRESIDENT HAS NEVER
AMENDED THE 2017 FORM TO THIS DAY, WHILE YOU ARE FACING THE
CONSEQUENCES OF GOING TO JAIL HE IS NOT.
>>I BELIEVE THAT HE AMENDED THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORM AND
THERE IS A FOOTNOTE BURIED. I DO NOT RECALL WHAT IT SAYS BUT
THERE IS A FOOTNOTE BURIED SOMEWHERE.
>>CAN YOU DESCRIBE, MICHAEL, TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, CATCH AND
KILL. >>CATCH AND KILL IS A METHOD
THAT EXISTS WHEN YOU ARE WORKING WITH A NEWS OUTLET. IN THIS
SPECIFIC CASE IT WAS AMI, NATIONAL ENCHOIRER, AND OTHERS,
THEY WOULD CONTACT ME OR MR. TRUMP OR SOMEONE AND STATE THAT
THERE IS A STORY OUT THERE THAT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN. WHAT
YOU DO IS YOU CONTACT THAT INDIVIDUAL AND YOU PURCHASE THE
RIGHTS TO THAT STORY FROM THEM. >>AND YOU PRACTICED THIS FOR
THE PRESIDENT? >>I WAS INVOLVED IN SEVERAL OF
THESE CATCH AND KILL EPISODES BUT THESE CATCH AND KILL
SCENARIOS EXISTED BETWEEN DAVID AND MR. TRUMP LONG BEFORE I
STARTED WORKING WITH HIM IN 2007.
>>MICHAEL, CAN YOU SUGGEST WHO ELSE THIS COMMITTEE SHOULD TALK
TO FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THISSOR ANYTHING ELSE?
>> YES, I BELIEVE DAVID DYLAN HOWARD, BRARY LEVINE, ALAN OF THE TRUMP
ORGANIZATION. >>MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS A STORY
OF REDEPTION. >>YOU STATED YOU BEGAN WORK AS
A LAWYER DEALING WITH REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS.
>>THAT’S CORRECT. >>PRIOR TO COMING TO CONGRESS I
WAS A LAWYER AND I HAVE SEEN HUNDREDS OF LOAN APPLICATIONS I
JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU A COUPLE OF REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS,
ACCORDING TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK YOU LIED TO
BANKS TO SECURE LOANS BY FALSELY STATING THE AMOUNT OF DEBT YOU
WERE CARRYING, WAS IT DONALD TRUMP’S FAULT THAT YOU KNOWINGLY
COMMITTED A CRIME TO DEFRAUD A BANK.
>>IT WAS NOT. >>WAS THAT LOAN FOR THE TRUMP
ORGANIZATION OR FOR YOU PERSONALLY.
>>IT WOULD BE FOR ME BUT I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHICH LOAN YOU
ARE TALKING TO, I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND. WHEN WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT THE HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE
YOU ARE REFERRING TO. >>WE ARE ALSO REFERRING TO YOUR
SUMMER HOME THAW PURCHASED. >>I NEVER PURCHASED A SUMMER
HOME. NO INDIVIDUAL OR NO BANK IN THE 22 YEARS I HAVE HAD LOANS
HAVE EVER LOST A DOLLAR WITH ME, I OWE NO MONEY TO ANY BANK.
>>THE BANKS USUALLY FIND OUT IF SOMEONE IS TRYING TO DECEIVE
THEM. >>NO MONEY HAS EVER BEEN OWED
TO ANY INDIVIDUAL OR BANK. >>IT YOUR SO CALLED BLIND
LOYALTY TO THE PRESIDENT CAUSE YOU TO DEFRAYED THE BANK FOR
YOUR PERSONAL GAIN. >>I NEVER DEFRAUDED ANY BANK.
ACCORDING TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK YOU FAILED
TO DISCLOSE $20 MILLION IN LIABILITIES AS WELL AS TENS OF
THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF MONTHLY EXPENSES, THAT’S ACCORDING TO
THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, NOW MR. COHEN, YOU BEING A
LAWYER, SURELY YOU KNEW YOU WERE BREAKING THE LAW, WHY WOULD YOU
HAVE DONE THAT. >>I AM NOT A CPA, I PLED
GUILTY, I AM GOING TO PRISON AS A RESULT OF IT.
>>BECAUSE YOU ARE A CON? >>NO SIR, BECAUSE I PLED
GUILTY, I AM GOING TO BE DOING THE TIME, I CAUSED TREMENDOUS
PAIN TO MY FAMILY. >>LETS GO TO THE QUESTION ABOUT
THE BANK. WHEN THE BANK FOUND OUT ABOUT THE LIABILITIES THAT
YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE, YOU LIED AGAIN TO THE BANK, ACCORDING TO
THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK AND SAID IT HAD BEEN
EXPUNGED WHEN YOU SHIFTED THE DEBT TO ANOTHER BANK, SO
APPARENTLY ACCORDING TO THE INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED,
YOUR INTENT TO DEFRAYED THE BANK WAS FOR THE DESIRE TO PURCHASE
THE SUMMER HOME FOR EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
>>NO, SIR, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN OFF AN EQUITY LINE CONSIDERING I
HAD LESS THAN A 50% LOAN TO VALUE ON THE ASSETS AND IT WAS A
PRE- EXISTING LINE OF CREDIT THAT EXISTED YEARS BEFORE THE
DAWT THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO, THIS IS ALL SURROUNDING NEW YORK
CITY TAXI MEDALLIONS. >>BUT YOU UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU
FAILED TO DISCLOSE $20 MILLION OF LIABILITIES, THAT IS IN FACT
FRAUD. >>EVEN WITH THE $20 MILLION IN
LIABILITY, THE MEDALLIONS WERE WORTH OVER $45 MILLION.
>>MR. COHEN, YOU CALLED DONALD TRUMP A CHEAT IN YOUR OPENING
TESTIMONY. WHAT WOULD YOU CALL YOURSELF?
>>A FOOL. >>YOU ARE CALLING, OKAY, NO
COMMENT ON THAT. >>I APPRECIATE IT.
>>MR. CHAIRMAN WE SAID WEURP IN SEARCH OF THE TRUTH, I DO NOT
BELIEVE MICHAEL COHEN IS CAPABLE OF TELLING THE TRUTH, I HOPE
THAT WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUBPOENA
WITNESSES WE SUBPOENA WITNESSES THAT ARE NOT RECENTLY DISBARRED.
NOT CONVICTED FELONIES AND HAVE NOT COMMITTED TAX FRAUD AND BANK
FRAUD. MR. CHAIRMAN I YIELD THE BALANCE OF MY TIME TO THE
RANKING MEMBER. >>WE JUST HAD A FIVE MINUTE
DEBATE WHERE MR. COHEN DISPUTES WHAT THE JUDGE FOUND THAT HE WAS GUILTY OF COMMITTING BANK
FRAUD. HIS CONSCIOUSNESS IS WRONG AND HIS INSTINCT TO BLAME
OTHERS IS STRONG, HIS REMORSE IS NONEXISTENT, HE JUST DEBATED A
MEMBER OF CONGRESS SAYING I DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG.
>>THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAID AND YOU KNOW THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAID.
I SAID I PLED GUILTY AND I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY ACTIONS.
SHAME ON YOU MR. JORDAN. THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAID. SHAME ON YOU.
THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAID. WHAT I SAID IS I TOOK RESPONSIBILITY
AND I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. WHAT I WAS DOING IS EXPLAINING TO THE
GENTLEMEN THAT HIS FACTS ARE INACCURATE, I TAKE
RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY MISTAKES, ALL RIGHT, I AM REMORSEFUL AND I
AM GOING TO PRISON, I WILL BE AWAY FROM MY WIFE AND FAMILY FOR
YEARS, SO BEFORE YOU TURN AROUND AND YOU CAST MORE APERGSES,
PLEASE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE PEOPLE WATCHING YOU TODAY THAT
KNOW ME A LOT BETTER. I MADE MISTAKES, I OWN THEM AND I DID
NOT FIGHT WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, I DID NOT
PUT THE SYSTEM THROUGH AN SPIRE SCENARIO BUT WHAT I DID DO IS
PLED GUILTY AND I AM GOING TO BE, AGAIN, GOING TO PRISON.
>>MR. MISS JORDAN.
>>MR. COHEN, AT THE CENTER OF WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO PRISON FOR
IS FOR CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS AND THEY CENTER AROUND SOME
SALACIOUS REVELATIONS, THE WASHINGTON POST AIRED AN ACCESS HOLLYWOOD
VIDEO, THEY SET A RECORD FOR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WATCHED. IT
CRASHED THE NEWSPAPERS SH IT HAPPENED IN EARLY OCTOBER ON THE
CUSP OF THE ELECTION. WHAT WAS MR. TRUMP’S REACTION TO THE
VIDEO BECOMING PUBLIC AT THAT TIME AND WAS HE CONCERNED ABOUT
THE IMPACT OF THAT VIDEO ON THE ELECTION?
>>THE ANSWER IS YES, AS YOU STATED BEFORE, I WAS IN LONDON
AT THE TIME, VISITING MY DAUGHTER WHO WAS STUDYING THERE
FOR SEMESTER ABROAD. I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL DURING THE DINNER
FROM HOPE HICKS WHO STATED THAT HE HAD JUST SPOKEN TO MR. TRUMP
AND WE NEED YOU TO START MAKING PHONE CALLS TO THE VARIOUS NEWS
OUTLETS THAT YOU HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH AND WE NEED
TO SPIN THIS, WHAT WE WANT TO DO WAS JUST TO CLAIM THIS WAS MEN
LOCKER ROOM TALK. >>WAS THERE KEN ABOUT THE
ELECTION? >>THE ANSWER IS YES, THEN
COUPLE THAT WITH KAREN MCDOUGAL WHICH THEN CAME OUT AROUND THE
SAME TIME AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THE STORMY DANIELS MATTER.
>>THESE THINGS HAPPENED IN THE MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION,
ALMOST ONE AFTER THE OTHER, THE STORMY DANIELS REVELATION WHERE PROSECUTORS AND OFFICIALS
OF THE PROSECUTORS, LEARNED OF THAT MATTER, AND PROSECUTORS
STATED THAT THE OFFICIALS AT THE MAGAZINE CONTACTED YOU ABOUT THE
STORY, THE MAGAZINE OF COURSE IS THE
NATIONAL ENQUIRER, IS THAT CORRECT THAT THEY DID?
>>YES, MA’AM. >>WERE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THIS
NEWS STORY BECOMING PUBLIC RIGHT AFTER THE ACCESS HOLLYWOOD STORY
IN TERMS OF IMPACT ON THE ELECTION?
>>I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IT BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, MR. TRUMP WAS
CONCERNED ABOUT IT. >>THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION,
WHAT WAS THE PRESIDENT’S CONCERN ABOUT THESE MATTERS BECOMING
PUBLIC, IN OCTOBER AS WE WERE ABOUT TO GO INTO AN ELECTION.
>>I DO NOT THINK ANYBODY WOULD DISPUTE THIS BELIEF, THAT AFTER
THE WILD FIRE THAT ENCOMPASSED THE BILLY BUSH TAPE, THAT A
SECOND FOLLOW-UP TO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PLEASANT AND HE WAS
CONCERNED WITH THE EFFECT THAT IT HAD HAD ON THE CAMPAIGN, ON
HOW WOMEN WERE SEEING HIM AND ULTIMATELY WHETHER OR NOT HE
WOULD HAVE A SHOT IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.
>>SO YOU NEGOTIATED THE $130,000 PAYMENT?
>>THE $130,000 NUMBER WAS NOT A NUMBER THAT WAS NEGOTIATED. IT WAS TOLD TO ME BY KEITH DAVIDSON
THAT MISS CLIFFORD WANTED. >>YOU COMPLETED THAT DEAL DAYS
BEFORE THE ELECTION, WHAT HAPPENED IN THE INTERIM.
>>WE CONTEMPLATED WHETHER OR NOT TO DO IT. WEAPT SURE IF SHE
WAS REALLY GOING TO GO PUBLIC, THERE WAS SOME COMMUNICATIONS
BACK AND FOURTH BETWEEN MYSELF AND KEITH DAVIDSON, AT THAT TIME
IT BECAME DO IT OR DO NOT. AT THAT TIME I WENT INTO MR. TRUMP’S OFFICE AS
I DID AFTER EVERY CONVERSATION, WE SAID IT’S $130,000, IT’S NOT
A LOT OF MONEY SO WE DECIDED TO JUST DO IT. WE
WENT BACK TO ALAN’S OFFICE AND FIGURED IT ALL-OUT.
>>MR. MEADOWS. >>.
>>DO YOU KNOW LYNN PATON. >>I DO.
>>I ASKED LYNN TO COME TODAY IN HER PERSONAL CAPACITY TO SHED
SOME LIGHT. HOW LONG HAVE YOU KNOWN HER.
>>I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR HER JOINING THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION
AND THE JOB THAT SHE CURRENTLY HOLDS.
>>YOU MADE SOME VERY DEMEANING COMMENTS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT
THAT MISS PATON DOES NOT AGREE WITH. IT HAS TO DO WITH YOUR
CLAIM OF RACISM. SHE SAID THAT AS A DAUGHTER OF A MAN BORN IN
BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA, THERE IS NO WAY SHE WOULD WORK FOR AN
INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS RACIST. HOW DO YOU RECONCILE THE TWO OF
THOSE. >>AS NEITHER SHOULD I AS THE
SON OF A HOLOCOST SURVIVOR. >>MR. COHEN, I GUESS WHAT I AM
SAYING IS, I TALKED TO THE PRESIDENT OVER 300 TIMES, I HAVE
NOT HEARD ONE TIME A RACIST COMMENT OUT OF HIS MOUTH IN
PRIVATE, HOW DO YOU RECONCILE IT? DO YOU HAVE PROOF OF THOSE
CONVERSATIONS? DO YOU HAVE TAPE RECORDINGS OF THOSE
CONVERSATIONS. >>NO SIR.
>>YOU TAPED EVERYTHING ELSE. >>THAT’S NOT TRUE, SIR.
>>YOU VPT TAPED ANYBODY. >>MAYBE 100 TIMES OVER 10
YEARS. >>MAYBE ABOUT 100 TIMES.
>>DO YOU HAVE PROOF? DO YOU HAVE PROOF?
>>I DO. >>ASK MISS PATON HOW MANY
PEOPLE WHO ARE BLACK ARE EXECUTIVES AT THE TRUMP
ORGANIZATION? THE ANSWER IS ZERO.
>>WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS. I WOULD ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT
HER STATEMENT BE PUT IN THE RECORD.
>>WITHOUT OBJECTION. >>LET ME GO ON FURTHER. DID YOU
COLLECT $1.2 MILLION OR SO FROM NOVARTIS?
>>I DID. >>FOR ACCESS TO THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION. >>NO, SIR.
>>WHY DID YOU COLLECT IT? >>BASE THEY CAME TO ME BASED
UPON MY KNOWLEDGE OF THE ENIGMA DONALD TRUMP, WHAT HE
THINKS. >>DID THEY PAY YOU TO GIVE THEM
ADVICE. >>THEY DID, THEY ARE A MULTI
BILLION DOLLARS CONGLOMERATE, THEY CAME TO ME LOOKING FOR
INFORMATION, NOT SOMETHING THAT IS UNUSUAL IN DC, THEY CAME
LOOKING FOR INFORMATION AND THEY BELIEVED THAT I HAD A VALUE. IT
WAS THE INSIGHT THAT I WAS CAPABLE OF OFFERING THEM.
>>HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU MEET WITH THEM? FOR $1.2 MILLION, HOW
MANY TIMES DID YOU MEET WITH THEM?
>>I PROVIDED THEM WITH IN PERSON AND TELEPHONE ACCESS WHEN
EVER THEY NEEDED IT. >>HOW MANY TIMES?
>>I DO NOT RECALL. >>DID YOU EVER TALK TO THEM.
>>I SPOKE TO THEM ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS.
>>SIX TIMES. >>$200,000 A CALL.
>>I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.
>>DID YOU GET MONEY FROM THE BANK OF KA
KAZAKHSTAN? >>I DID.
>>FOR WHAT PURPOSE. >>THE FORMER CEO OF THAT BANK
HAD OB SCONDED WITH FOUR TO $6 BILLION AND SOME OF THAT MONEY
WAS IN THE UNITED STATES AND THEY SOUGHT MY ASSISTANCE IN
TERMS OF LOCATING THAT MONEY AND HELPING THEM TO RECOLLECT IT.
>>ARE YOU SAYING THAT ALL OF THE REPORTS THAT YOU WERE PAID
IN SOME ESTIMATES OVER $4 MILLION TO HAVE ACCESS AND
UNDERSTANDING OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, YOU ARE SAYING
ALL OF THAT WAS PAID TO YOU BECAUSE YOU WERE A NICE GUY.
>>I AM A NICE GUY. EACH AND EVERY CONTRACT CONTAINED THE
CLAUSE THAT SAID I WILL NOT LOBBY AND I DO NOT DO GOVERNMENT
RELATIONS WORK, IN FACT NOVARTIS SENT ME THEIR CONTRACT WHICH
STATED THAT THEY WANTED ME TO LOBBY, THAT THEY WANTED ME TO
PROVIDE ACCESS TO GOVERNMENT AND THE PRESIDENT, THAT PARAGRAPH
WAS CROSSED OUT BY ME, INITIALLIED AND WRITTEN IN MY
HANDWRITING SAYING I WILL NOT LOBBY OR DO
GOVERNMENT REALSES RELATIONS WORK.
>>SO NOVARTIS REPRESENTATIVES SAID IT WAS LIKE HIRING A NONREGISTERED
LOBBYIST. >>HAVE YOU EVER CONTACTED
ANYBODY IN THE ADMINISTRATION TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF ANY ASPECT
OF ANY OF YOUR CONTRACTS? I ASKED UNANIMOUS CONSENT, MR.
CHAIRMAN. >>THE GENTLEMEN’S TIME IS
EXPIRED. YOU MAY ANSWER THE QUESTION.
>>I DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO, SIR.
>>MR. CHAIRMAN. >>THANK YOU.
>>MR. COHEN I AM PLEASED THAT YOU AGREED TO
TESTIFY TODAY VOLUNTARILY, IN MOI OPINION, WE
ARE HERE FOR ONE REASON, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE TIRED BEING
LIED TO. THEY HAVE BNG LIED TO BY PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP, THEY
HAVE BEEN LIED TO BY THE PRESIDENT’S CHILDREN, THEY HAVE
BEEN LIED TO BY THE PRESIDENT’S LEGAL REPRESENTATIVES AND IT
PAINS ME TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE BEEN LIED TO BY HIS
CONGRESSIONAL ENABLERS WHO ARE STILL DEVOTED TO PER
PET, PERPETUATING AND PROMOTING THIS JIENL CON GAME ON THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE. MR. COHEN I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT
THE PRESIDENT’S ASSETS. SINCE BY LAW THESE MUST R REPORTED AK
REPORTED ACCURATELY ON HIS FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES, YOU
SERVED FOR A DECADE AS THEN BUSINESSMAN TRUMP’S PERSONAL
ATTORNEY AND SO CALLED FIXER, DID YOU ALSO HAVE AN
UNDERSTANDING OF THE PRESIDENT’S ASSETS AND HOW HE VALUED THOSE
ITEMS? >>YES.
>>IN NOVEMBER OF 2017, CRAINS NEW YORK BUSINESS REPORTED THAT
THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION PROVIDED FLAGRANTLY UNTRUE REVENUE
FIGURES GOING BACK TO AT LEAST 2010 TO INFLUENCE THEIR RANKING OF THE LARGEST
PRIVATE RAN RANKINGS OF NEW YORK, WHILE
THEY REPORTED $9.5 BILLION IN REVENUES, PUBLIC FILINGS
SUGGESTED THAT THEY WERE LEFT THAN 110TH OF THAT,
LESS, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, DID THE PRESIDENT AND HIS COMPANY
INFLATE THE VALUE OF ASSETS. >>YES.
>>WAS THAT DONE WITH THE PRESIDENT’S KNOWLEDGE OR
DIRECTION. >>EVERYTHING WAS DONE WITH THE
KNOWLEDGE OF AND AT THE DIRECTION OF MR. TRUMP.
>>WHY DO THAT, WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE THAT IT SERVED.
>>IT DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION, THERE WERE TIMES I WAS ASKED TO
GO BACK AND TO SPEAK WITH AN INDIVIDUAL FROM FORBES BECAUSE
MR. TRUMP WANTED EACH YEAR TO HAVE HIS NET WORTH RISE ON THE
FORBES WEALTHIEST INDIVIDUALS LIST, SO WHAT YOU DO IS YOU LOOK
AT THE ASSETS AND YOU TRY TO FIND AN AN ASSET THAT HAS, SAY,
FOR EXAMPLE, 40 WALL STREET, 1.2 MILLION SQUARE FEET. FIND AN AN
ASSET THAT IS COMPARABLE, FIND THE HIGHEST PRICE PER SQUARE
FOOT THAT IS ACHIEVED IN THE AREA AND APPLY IT TO THAT
BUILDING OR IF YOU ARE GOING BY THE RENT ROLL, GO BY THE RENT
ROLL TIMES A MULTIPLE AND THEN YOU MAKE UP THE MULTIPLE BASED
ON WHAT HE WANTED TO VALUE THE ASSET AT.
>>YOU HAVE PROVIDED THIS COMMITTEE WITH COPIES OF THE
PRESIDENT’S FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OR PARTS OF THEM FROM 2011, 2012
AND 2013, MR. CHAIRMAN WINDY LIKE TO SUBMIT THOSE FOR THE
RECORD. MR. CHAIRMAN I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT THE STATEMENTS
FOR THE RECORD. >>SO ORDERED.
>>THANK YOU. >>CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU HAD
THESE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND WHAT YOU USED THEM FOR?
>>SO THESE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS WERE USED BY ME FOR TWO POPPERS,
ONE WAS DISCUSSING WITH MEDIA, WHETHER IT WAS FORBES OR OTHER
MAGAZINES, TO DEMONSTRATE MR. TRUMP’S SIGNIFICANT NET WORTH,
THAT WAS ONE FUNCTION, ANOTHER WAS WHEN WE WERE DEALING, LATER
ON WITH INSURANCE COMPANIES, WE WOULD PROVIDE THEM WITH THESE
COPIES, SO THAT THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THE PREMIUM,
WHICH IS BASED SOMETIMES UPON THE INDIVIDUAL’S CAPABILITIES TO
PAY, WOULD BE REDUCED. >>ALL OF THIS WAS DONE AT THE
PRESIDENT’S DIRECTION AND WITH HIS KNOWLEDGE?
>>YES, BECAUSE WHAT EVER THE NUMBERS WOULD COME BACK TO BE,
WE WOULD IMMEDIATELY REPORT IT BACK.
>>DID THIS INFORMATION PROVIDED TO US INFLATE THE PRESIDENT’S
ASSETS? >>I BELIEVE THESE NUMBERS ARE
INFLATED. >>OF COURSE, INFLATING ASSETS
TO WIN A NEWSPAPER POST TO BOOST YOUR EGO IS NOT A CRIME BUT TO
YOUR KNOWLEDGE, DID THE PRESIDENT EVER PROVIDE INFLATED
ASSETS TO A BANK TO HELP HIM OBTAIN A LOAN.
>>TIME IS EXPIRED BUT YOU MAY ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
>>THESE DOCUMENTS AND OTHERS WERE PROVIDED TO DEUTSCHE BANK
ON ONE OCCASION WHEN I WAS WITH HIM IN OUR ATTEMPT TO OBTAIN
MONEY SO WE COULD PUT A BID ON THE BUFFALO BILLS.
>>I WOULD LIKE TO YIELD TO THE GENTLEMEN FROM NORTH CAROLINA.
>>I WANT TO ASK UNANIMOUS CONCEPT TO PUT INTO THE RECORD
AN ARTICLE THAT INDICATES MR. COHEN’S PROMISED ACCESS TO
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP, SAYING IT WAS ALMOST AS IF WE WERE
HIRING A LOBBYIST. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION.
>>I ASK UNANIMOUS CONCEPT THAT WE PUT INTO THE RECORD A
CRIMINAL REFERRAL FOR VIOLATING SECTION 22 USC OF THE STAT EULT NUMBER,
STATUTE NUMBER 611 AND FOR VIOLATING FARA FOR ILLEGAL
LOBBYING ACTIVITY BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD.
>>WITHOUT OBJECTION SO ORDERED.>>I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT
THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR THIS COMMITTEE IS FOR US TO LOOK
IN A BIPARTISAN WAY AT CRIMINAL REFERRALS AT THE NEXT BUSINESS
MEETING. >>THERE ARE OBJECTIONS.
>>SO WE ARE OBJECTING TO A UNANIMOUS CONCEPT REQUEST?
IS THAT IT. >>YES.
>>I WILL YIELD BACK. >>LET ME BE CLEAR, MR. HICE, I
AM GOING TO GIVE YOU YOUR WHOLE FIVE MINUTES.
>>THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. >>MR. MEADOWS, THE CHAIRMAN
MADE ME, THE RANKING MEMBER MADE ME AWARE THAT I HAD GIVEN A
LITTLE MORE TIME TO MISS WASHINGTON, I WAS GOING TO LET
YOU DO THAT ANY WAY BUT I JUST WANT THE COMMITTEE TO KNOW THAT
BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY MEMBERS I AM GOING TO BE STRICT
ON THE FIVE MINUTES. >>MR. COHEN YOU HAVE CLAIMED
YOU HAVE LIED BUT YOU ARE NOT A LIAR, IF YOU LIED YOU ARE A LIAR
BY DEFINITION. YOU ALSO SAID THAT THE FACTS ARE NATIONAL RAT.
IF THEY ARE FACTS THEY ARE INACCURATE AND THAT WOULD MAKE
YOU INACCURATE. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO YOU CONSULTED WITH
TO PREPARE FOR TODAY’S HEARING. >>I CONSULTED WITH MY COUNSEL,
LANNY DAVIS AS WELL AS MICHAEL MONACO.
>>DID YOU OR ANYONE ELSE COOPERATE WITH THE DEMOCRAT
MAJORITY TO PREPARE FOR THIS HEARING.
>>I’M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN PLEASE.
>>DID YOU OR ANYONE ELSE ON YOUR TEAM COOPERATE WITH THE
DEMOCRAT PARTY IN PREPARING FOR THIS HEARING.
>>WE HAVE SPOKEN TO THE PARTY >>I PREPARED WITH MY COUNSEL.
>>DID YOU PREPARE WITH THE DEMOCRAT PARTY
OR CHAIRMAN COMINGS . WE SPOKE WITH CHAIRMAN SCHIFF
AND HIS PEOPLE AS WELL. >>WERE THERE ANY OTHER
INDIVIDUALS ACTING AS A LIAISON WITH THE MAJORITY PARTY.
>>WHAT ARE YOU SAYING. >>DID YOU HAVE A LIAISON OTHER
THAN THOSE YOU HAVE MENTIONED WORKING WITH THE MAJORITY TO
PROPOSE FOR THIS HEARING. >>WE SPOKE WITH THE VARIOUS
INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU JUST RAISED, YES.
>>TOM STEYER, REGARDING HIM OR ANY OF HIS REPRESENTATIVES,
ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH HIM OR IS HE OR ANY OF THEM PAYING LANNY
DAVIS TO REPRESENT YOU. >>NOT THAT I AM AWARE OF.
>>WHO IS PAYING HIM? >>AT THE PRESENT MOMENT, NO
ONE. >>HE IS DOING ALL OF THIS WORK
FOR NOTHING? >>YES, SIR, I HOPE SO.
>>I DOUBT IT BUT HOW DID LANNY DAVIS COME TO REPRESENT YOU, DID
HE APPROACH YOU OR DID YOU APPROACH HIM.
>>I REACHED OUT TO HIM AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF MY FORMER
COUNSEL OVER AT MCDERMOTT WHO KNEW HIM.
>>SO YOU REACHED OUT TO MR. DAVIS.
>>YES, INITIALLY. >>DID YOU WANT TO HEF BEFORE
CONGRESS OR, TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS OR DID HE URGE YOU TO
TESTIFY HERE. >>I WAS ASKED TO COME HERE AND
I AM HERE VOLUNTARILY. >>YOU WERE ASKED BY WHO, DID HE
ASK YOU TO COME HERE? >>NO, SIR.
>>HE SAYS THAT HE DID ASK YOU TO COME HERE AND THAT HE
CONVINCED YOU AND THAT HE DID THE SAME WITH CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS,
SO YOUR TESTIMONY HERE IS THAT YOU APPROACHED LANNY DAVIS TO
REPRESENT YOU AND TO COME HERE, HE DID NOT PERSUADE YOU TO COME
HERE. >>HE DID NOT PERSUADE ME,
CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS WHICH IS PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE
ENGAGED HIM WITH HIS PEOPLE AS WELL AS CHAIRMAN SCHIFF, WE
SPOKE IN ORDER TO ASK ME TO COME HERE, VOLUNTARILY.
>>I FIND THE CONNECTING OF THE DOTS WITH MR. DAVIS AND YOU AND
FRANKLY THE CHAIRMAN AND OTHERS TO BE STUNNING, THAT THERE IS AN
AGENDA FOR ALL OF THIS HAPPENING HERE TODAY AND HE BELIEVE THAT
ITS PERHAPS TO BRING DOWN THE PRESIDENT AND IMPUGN THE
PRESIDENT >>>THE CHAIRMAN MADE THAT
STATEMENT IN THIS ROOM LAST MONTH BUT WE ARE WE ARE TODAY.
OUR FIRST HEARING WITH, AS YOU, WE ALL KNOW A CONVICTED LIAR,
LYING TO CONGRESS, A CRIMINAL AND I BELIEVE THIS WITNESS IS
TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE STATED GOAL OF HAVING TO SEEK
THE TRUTH IN THIS HEARING, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN THE HISTORY
OF CONGRESS WE HAVE SOMEONE TESTIFYING HERE WHO HAS ALREADY
BEEN CONVICTED OF LYING TO CONGRESS SO CONGRATULATIONS FOR
BEING THE FIRST IN CONGRESS TO DO THAT AND MR. CUMMINGS AS
WELL. I CANNOT BELIEVE WE HAVE BROUGHT THIS COMMITTEE TO ITS
KNEES IN TERMS OF LOSING ITS CREDIBILITY AND IT’S A SHAMEFUL
MOCKERY OF WHAT OUR PURPOSE IS. >>THE TIME IS EXPIRED. MR.
LYNCH. >>LET ME PICKUP ON THOSE LAST
COMMENTS, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT A LOW POINT. HOW
ABOUT MR. PAPPADOPOLIS PLED GUILTY. MR. PAUL MANAFORT, MR. GATES, MR. PINEDO
MR. VANDERSWAN MR. KALIMNIK, R HE YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT AN
AGENDA, MY FRIENDS REFUSED TO BRING ANYTHING UP BEFORE THE
COMMITTEE. TODAY FOR THE FIRST DAY WE HAVE ONE WITNESS
VOLUNTARILY COMING FORWARD TO TESTIFY. YOUR SIDE RAN AWAY FROM
THE TRUTH AND WE ARE TRYING TOO BRING IT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
SO, MR. COHEN, FIRST OF ALL. THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTARILY COMING
BEFORE THE COMMITTEE TO TESTIFY. I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT YOUR
STATEMENTS REGARDING TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW AND I WANTED TO DRILL
DOWN ON THE FACTS AND DETAILS, THIS DPS BACK AWAY, BACK IN
1977, MR. TRUMP WROTE THAT HE HAD HAD ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH
SOVIET OFFICIALS, BACK THEN, TO BUILD A LUXURY, A LARGE LUXURY
HOTEL ACROSS FROM THE KREMLIN IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SOVIET
UNION, AT THAT TIME IT WAS THE SOVIET UNION, I WANTED TO ASK
YOU, IN YOUR FILING WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL MUELLER’S
OFFICE, THE PROSECUTORS WROTE, MR. COHEN DISCUSSED THE STATUS
AND PROGRESS OF THE MOSCOW PROJECT WITH INDIVIDUAL ONE, ON
MORE THAN THREE OCCASIONS MR. COHEN BRIEFED FAMILY MEMBERS OF
INDIVIDUAL ONE WITH THE COMPANY ABOUT THE PROJECT. I KNOW THIS
IS REDUNDANT BUT WHO ARE YOU REFERRING IT WHEN YOU REFER TO
INDIVIDUAL ONE. >>DONALD TRUMP AND THE COMPANY.
>>THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, TO A SUBSIDIARY.
>>WHO WERE THE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT YOU BRIEFED ON THE TRUMP
TOWER MOSCOW PROJECT. >>DONALD TRUMP JUNIOR AND YIE
TRUMP. >>WERE THESE IN THE REGULAR
COURSE OF BUSINESS OR DID THE FAMILY REQUEST A BRIEFING.
>>THIS IS IN THE REGULAR COURSE OF BUSINESS.
>>THIS IS ON THE QUESTION OF THE NUMBERS OF BRIEFINGS, DO YOU
RECALL HOW MANY OF THE BRIEFINGS THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN.
>>APPROXIMATELY 10 IN TOTAL. >>OKAY. IN YOUR WRITTEN REMARKS
YOU ALSO WROTE AND I QUOTE, THERE ARE AT LEAST A HALF DOZEN
TIMES BETWEEN THE IOWA CAUCUS HAD IN JANUARY 2016 AND THE END
OF JUNE WHERE MR. TRUMP WOULD ASK, HOW IS IT GOING IN RUSSIA,
HOW DID THE PRESIDENT COMMUNICATE THOSE QUESTIONS TO
YOU. VERBALLY OR ON THE PHONE. >>VERBALLY ALL OF THE TIME OR
MOST OF THE TIME. HE WAS HEADING TO A RALLY OR A CAR AND AS I WAS
WALKING TO THE ELEVATOR, HE WOULD ASK ME QUESTIONS QUICKLY
REGARDING A SERIOUS OF ISSUES. >>WAS THERE ANY DOUBT ABOUT
WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO YOU. >>THAT WAS IT, OTHERWISE THERE
WOULD HAVE BEEN IN REASON TO ASK IT OF ME.
>>TO BE CLEAR MR. TRUMP KNEW OF AND DIRECTED THE TRUMP MOSCOW
NEGOTIATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN AND LIED ABOUT IT. HOW
DID THE PRESIDENT ACTUALLY DIRECT THE NEGOTIATION, WHAT
DETAILS DID HE DIRECT. >>AFTER EACH COMMUNICATION I
HAD I WOULD REPORT BACK TO HIM. OUR GOAL WAS TO GET THIS
PROJECT, WE WERE INTERESTED IN BUILDING WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN
THE LARGEST BUILDING IN ALL OF EUROPE, SIR, I WOULD JUST LIKE
TO SAY ONE LAST THING IN REGARD TO THE GENTLEMEN’S STATEMENT
SINCE THEY ON TOPIC, THE LIES THAT I TOLD TO CONGRESS, IN
FAIRNESS, BENEFITED MR. TRUMP. IT WAS IN FURTHERANCE OF MY
PROTECTION OF MR. TRUMP WHICH I STATED IN MY TESTIMONY. AND I AM
NOT PROTECTING MR. TRUMP ANY MORE. SO WHILE I TRULY
APPRECIATE TAKING SOME OF YOUR TIME ON TO IT, TO ATTACK ME
EVERY SINGLE TIME ABOUT TAXES, I HAVE NO CREDIBILITY, IT’S FOR
THAT REASON THAT I SPENT THE LAST WEEK SEARCHING BONGSES TO
FIND THE INFORMATION THAT I DID SO YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE MY
WORD FOR IT, LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS
>>AND MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS. >>LET ME JUST SAY, I DO NOT
THINK MY COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE ARE AFRAID
THAT YOU ARE GOING TO LIE I THINK THAT THEY ARE AFRAID THAT
YOU ARE GOING TO TELL THE TREET.>>I APPRECIATE THE GENTLEMEN
FROM YIELDING, I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THIS, WHEN HAVE YOU
EVER SEEN A FEDERAL AGENCY RESISTANCE, FORMER FBI DIRECTOR
JAMES COMEY FIRED. ANDY MCCABE FIRED. UNDER INVESTIGATION AS WE
SPEAK. GYM BAKER FBI COUNSEL, UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THE
UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS OFFICE IN CONNECTICUT. LISA PAGE,
DEMOTED AND LEFT, PETER STROZK, THAT’S WHAT WE ARE CONCERNED
ABOUT AND TODAY WE ASKED FOR ROD ROSENSTEIN, NOW THREE PEOPLE
HAVE TOLD US ROD ROSENSTEIN WAS CONTEMPLATING USING THE 25TH
AMENDMENT TO REMOVE THE GUY AS PRESIDENT. WE ASKED FOR HIM TO
BE HERE INSTEAD WE GET 30 MINUTES OF A GUY GOING TO PRISON
FOR LYING TO CONGRESS, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS, YOU SAID YOU
SPOKE TO MR. SCHIFF AND MR. CUMMINGS, HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO
CHAIRMAN NADLER OR ANYONE ON HIS STAFF OR HAVE YOUR ATTORNEYS.
>>I DO NOT IN. I CAN ONLY WARN PEOPLE THAT
THE MORE PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW MR. TRUMP AS I DID BLINDLY ARE GOING
TO SUFFER THE SAME CONSEQUENCES THAT I AM SUFFERING.
>>WHAT WARNING WOULD YOU GIVE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE TEMPTED AS
YOU WERE , WOULD YOU ENCOURAGE THEM NOT
TO WAIT 10 YEARS TO SEE THE LIGHT? WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU
GIVE YOUNG PEOPLE IN PARTICULAR YOUNG LAWYERS SO THEY DO NOT
ABUSE THEIR BAR LICENSE LIKE YOU DID.
>>LOOK AT WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO ME. I HAD A WONDERFUL LIFE. I
HAVE A BEAUTIFUL WIFE. I HAVE AMAZING CHILDREN. I ACHIEVED
FINANCIAL SUCCESS BY THE AGE OF 39. I DID NOT GO TO WORK FOR MR.
TRUMP BECAUSE I HAD TO. I DID IT BECAUSE I WANTED TO. AND I LOST
IT ALL. SO IF I AM NOT PICTURE-PERFECT, THAT IS THE
PICTURE THAT SHOULD BE UP THERE. IF I AM NOT A PICTURE PERFECT
EXAMPLE OF WHAT NOT TO DO, THAT IS THE EXAMPLE I AM TRYING TO
SET FOR MY CHILDREN. YOU MAKE MISTAKES IN LIFE AND I OWN THEM
AND I HAVE TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEM. I AM PAYING A HUGE
PRICE AS IS MY FAMILY. THAT IN AND OF ITSELF IS NOT ENOUGH TO
PERSUADE SOMEBODY FROM ACTING IN THE CALLOUS MANNER I DID, I’M
NOT SURE THAT THE PERSON HAS ANY CHANCE LIKE I AM IN RIGHT NOW.
>>A RECURRING THEME IN YOUR TESTIMONY IS CONCERNED FOR YOUR
FAMILY’S SAFETY. WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU MOST
CONCERNED ABOUT? >>THE PRESIDENT UNLIKE MY COHEN
FOR TRUMP FOLLOWERS, HE HAS 60 MILLION PEOPLE. WHEN HE TURNED
AROUND EARLY IN THE CAMPAIGN AND SAID I CAN SHOOT SOMEBODY ON
FIFTH AVENUE AND GET AWAY FROM WITH IT, I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR
. HE IS NOT JOKING. HE IS TELLING YOU THE TRUTH. YOU DON’T
KNOW HIM. I DO. I SAT NEXT TO THIS MAN FOR 10 YEARS. I WATCHED
HIS BACK. I AM THE ONE WHO STARTED THE CAMPAIGN. I AM THE
ONE WHO CONTINUED IN 2015 TO PROMOTE
HIM. SO MANY THINGS I THOUGHT THAT HE COULD DO AND HE CAN’T
AND HE IS DOING THINGS THAT ARE GREAT. BUT THIS DESTRUCTION OF
OUR CIVILITY TO ONE ANOTHER IS OUT OF CONTROL. WHEN HE GOES ON
TWITTER AND BRINGING IN MY IN-LAWS, MY PARENTS TAUGHT MY
WIFE, WHAT DOES HE THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN? HE IS CAUSING CONDESCENDING OUT THE SAME
MESSAGE THAT HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS. THIS IS HIS COUNTRY.
BECOMING AN AUTOCRAT AND HOPEFULLY SOMETHING BAD WILL
HAPPEN TO ME OR MY CHILDREN OR MY WIFE SO I WILL NOT BE HERE AND
TESTIFY. THAT IS WHAT HIS HOPE WAS TO INTIMIDATE ME. I THANKS
EVERYBODY WHO JOINED AND SAID THIS IS JUST NOT RIGHT.
>>HAVE YOU EVER SEEN MR. TRUMP PERSONALLY DONE PEOPLE WITH
PHYSICAL HARM? >>NO. HE WOULD USE OTHERS.>>HE WOULD HIRE OTHER PEOPLE TO
DO THAT? >>I’M NOT SURE HE HAD TO HIRE
THEM, THEY ARE ALREADY WORKING THERE. EVERYBODY’S JOB AT THE
TRUMP ORGANIZATION IS TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP. EVERY DAY MOST OF US
KNEW WHO WERE COMING IN THAT WE WERE GOING TO LIE FOR HIM ABOUT
SOMETHING. THAT BECAME THE NORM. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS
HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN THIS COUNTRY. IT’S EXACTLY
WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE IN GOVERNMENT COSTS ARE.
>>THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, TIME IS EXPIRED.
>>MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN WE TAKE A BREAK?>>ALL RIGHT.>>THAT IS OKAY, THANK YOU, SIR.
>>THANK YOU.>>THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE
TAKING A BREAK . YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE MEMBERS WHO HAVE
BEEN IN THE CHAMBER FILTERING AROUND. WE ARE ONLY AT MY COUNT,
ONLY SEVEN PEOPLE THROUGH THE DEMOCRATS GOT SIX PEOPLE THROUGH
THE REPUBLICANS. THERE ARE OVER 30 PEOPLE IN THIS COMMITTEE.
STILL A LONG LIST OF PEOPLE IN CONGRESS TO GO THROUGH. WE HAVE
A RELIABLE SOURCE, A REPORTER HEAR FROM THE WASHINGTON POST.
SO FAR THE MOST EXPLOSIVE INFORMATION WE HAVE GONE WAS
FROM MICHAEL COHEN’S OPENING STATEMENT. I THINK WE HAD SEEN A
PATH SINCE THEN I’VE WHERE REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO GO AND
WHERE THEM CUTS ARE TRYING TO GO. A LOT OF REPUBLICANS ARE
CHOOSING TO GET BACK THEIR TIME TO JIM JORDAN. A REPUBLICAN ON
THE CITY BECAUSE THEY THINK HE IS DOING A FORCEFUL AND AWFUL
JOB OF DISCREDITING MICHAEL COHEN AND MAKING THIS ABOUT HIS
OWN MOTIVE RATHER THAN DETECTING THE PRESIDENT.
>>I THINK WHAT THAT TACTIC DOES IS IT ALLOWS THE RANKING MEMBER
TO KEEP THE REPUBLICAN MESSAGE CONSISTED WHERE DEMOCRATS VEER
IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS AND ARE NOT LOOKING TO BE TOO FRUITFUL IN THEIR LINE OF QUESTIONING. BY
FEEDING TIME BACK TO THE RANKING MEMBER IT ALLOWS FOR A
CONSISTENT MESSAGING THROUGHOUT THIS AND WE HAVE SEEN FOR THAT
IS. THAT IS CLEARLY JUST TO TRY TO DISCREDIT THIS WITNESS, TO
UNDERMINE HIM, AND TO UNDERMINE WHAT HE IS SAYING TO THIS
COMMITTEE BY POINTING TO HIS PAST LIFE TO CONGRESS, HIS
CONVICTIONS, THROUGH HIS CHARACTER. SO THAT’S WHAT I
THINK IS A STRATEGY THAT REPUBLICANS ARE USING RIGHT NOW.
>>LET’S BRING ERIC IN, A SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER. ARE WE
LEARNING ANYTHING NEW TODAY? >>I THINK WITH THE OPENING
STATEMENT THAT HE PUT OUT WHERE HE HAD A LOT OF WITNESSES COME
HERE AND THEY MAY NOT WANT TO TESTIFY, MICHAEL COHEN CLEARLY HAS AN AGENDA. HE WANTED TO
CLEAR HIS NAME. HE WANTED TO GET INFORMATION OUT THERE. HE PUT A
LOT OF THOUGHT INTO HIS OPENING STATEMENT. SO I THINK THAT MAY
BE THE MOST DAMNING THINGS ARE PRESIDENT
TRUMP THAT HE KNEW ABOUT HE WAS GOING TO PUT IN THAT OPENING
STATEMENT. HE WAS GOING TO INCLUDE IN THOSE DOCUMENTS.
SIGHTINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT FOR DEMOCRATS TO APPROACH THIS
NOW BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO MINE DEEPER INTO SOME OF THESE THINGS
THAT MAY NOT HAVE AS INTERESTING THINGS AS WE SAW IN OPENING
STATEMENT. I THINK IT’S BEEN DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO EXTRACT A
WHOLE LOT MORE DETAIL FROM HIM. I THINK ONE OF THE INTERESTING
THINGS WAS JUST A LITTLE WHILE AGO, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE
NATURAL STATEMENTS THAT MICHAEL COHEN HAD PRODUCED IN THE
DOCUMENTS. HE WAS ASKED BY LISA CLAY, A DEMOCRAT FROM MISSOURI,
WHETHER THESE DOCUMENTS THAT COHEN SAID INFLATED THE PRESENT
WEALTH WERE SUBMITTED TO THANKS IN ATTEMPT TO SECURE LOANS AND
MICHAEL COHEN SAID THAT IN FACT HAD BEEN SUBMITTED AS THE PRESENT WAS
SEEKING THE LOAN TO GET THE BUFFALO BILL, THE NFL TEAM. SO
THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE MARGINS THAT MAY
SUGGEST AREAS WHERE WE COULD SEE FURTHER INQUIRIES FOR
INVESTIGATORS OR WE MIGHT THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE
START TO DIG A LITTLE DEEPER INTO THEM.
>>CAROLYN MALONEY ASKED HOW MANY TIMES DID THE PRESIDENT
CAN’T DATING BACK TO BEFORE HE WAS PRESENT, ASK YOU TO RESETTLE
WITH WOMEN HE HAD AFFAIRS WITH? AND MICHAEL COHEN SAID HE WOULD
HAVE TO LOOK BACK CERTAINLY THE TO WE KNOW ABOUT. KAREN McDOUGAL AND STORMY
DANIELS. BUT TIME WAS MOVING OUT AND SHE MOVED ON AND WE NEVER
GOT BACK TO IT. THERE ARE THESE MOMENTS GIVING THAT LIMITED TIME
OF QUESTIONING, WHERE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE IT SEEMS
COMMON SENSE TO DRILL DEEPER AND SAY HOW CAN YOU NOT REMEMBER?
GIVE ME A BALLPARK. YOU CAN’T REMEMBER IF IT WAS 10 OR 11, OR
12 OR 13 HOW DO YOU REMEMBER IF IT WAS MORE THAN 2?
>>WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE HOW IT REALLY TAKES A CONCERTED
EFFORT AND STRATEGY IN THE MEMBERS COMBINING TO HAVE THIS THING WHERE THEY FOLLOW UP
ON EACH OTHER’S QUESTIONS. BUT SOMETIMES THEY DON’T EVEN
FOLLOW-UP ON THEIR OWN QUESTIONS WHEN THEY GET SOMETHING
INTERESTING. I THINK THIS IS A BIGGER PROBLEM FOR DEMOCRATS AS
THEY TRY TO GET INFORMATION GIVEN THIS IS A HEARING IN THE
HOUSE WITH OUR SONY MEMBERS, THEY NEED TO KEEP IT TO FIVE
MINUTES OTHERWISE THIS THING GETS REALLY OUT OF CONTROL AND
GET SUPERLONG. SO I WOULD IMAGINE THERE ARE SOME DEMOCRAT
TELLING THE MEMBERS THAT MAYBE THEY SHOULD DRILL DOWN ON THIS A
LITTLE BIT. BUT YOU’RE RIGHT, THE QUESTION THAT HE DID NOT
KNOW HOW MAY SETTLEMENTS MAY HAVE BEEN REACHED AT THAT TIME,
I THINK IS A VITAL LINE OF INQUIRY.
>>LET’S GO TO OUR REPORTER ON CAPITOL HILL WHO IS ONE OF THE
AISH MENON MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
>>Reporter: I AM HERE WITH REPRESENTATIVE CAHILL. SHE IS A
NICE CHAIR OF THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. I AM HERE WITH KATIE
HILL. KATIE, WHAT HAVE YOU TAKEN AWAY FROM THE FIRST HALF OF THIS
? >>WHAT I HAVE TO GO AWAY SO FAR
IS THAT OUR REVOKE AND COLLECT THE DONE EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO
DISCREDIT THE WITNESS AND TO DISTRACT AND TO USE EVERY
FALLACY IN THE BOOK TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVING
THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR THE TRUTH. AGAIN, I AM NOT GOING TO
TAKE AWAY FROM THE FACT THAT HE HAS LIED. THAT IS FAIR. BUT HE
LIED TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT. THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF HAS BEEN
SHOWN BY EVERY SINGLE FACT CHECKING ORGANIZATION OUT THERE
TO HAVE LIED 1000 TIMES AS HE BECAME PRESIDENT. THE PROCESS IS UNBELIEVABLE TO
ME. HONESTLY I THINK THAT’S THE BIGGEST THING I HAVE TAKEN AWAY
FROM THE TESTIMONY. IT IS PRETTY SHOCKING IN AND OF ITSELF AND WE
NEED TO GIVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THE CHANCE TO DECIDE FOR
THEMSELVES WHETHER THEY BELIEVE IT OR NOT AND FOR US, WE NEED TO
FIGURE OUT WHERE WE NEED TO GO FROM HERE. IF THIS GETS US
CLUES, IS THIS THE NEXT QUESTION WE NEED TO CALL OR DOCUMENT WE NEED TO
REQUEST. THIS IS JUST A START, THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF
FIGURING OUT THE TRUTH AND UNCOVERING THE TRUTH. HE IS ONE
PERSON, ONE WITNESS WHO PROVIDES REPORT CONTEXT BUT IT IS NOT THE
END-ALL BE-ALL OF THIS INVESTIGATION.
>>YOUR REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES ARE PUTTING HIM ON
HIS CREDIBILITY AND THEY KEEP SAYING THAT HE LIED ONCE COCKY
IS LYING NOW. DO YOU THINK THAT BRINGING THAT FORWARD, IS THAT
MAKING PEOPLE PERHAPS MORE SYMPATHETIC TO COHEN? I HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS
WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND THEY SEEM TO BE A LITTLE BIT
MORE SYMPATHETIC TOWARDS HIM AFTER HE IS GETTING SUCH HARSH
CRITICISM FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
>>MOST AMERICANS BELIEVE IN SOME LEVEL OF REDEMPTION. I
DON’T KNOW A SINGLE PERSON WHO HASN’T LIED IN THEIR LIFE AND.
SO SAYING THAT YOU LIED ONCE MEANS YOU CAN’T POSSIBLY TELL
THE TRUTH AGAIN IT JUST A LIST ARGUMENT. I THINK PROBABLY DOES
CREATE SOME LEVEL OF SIMPLY. IF YOU’RE COMING IN AND WATCHING
THIS AND YOU HAVE DECIDED YOU’RE NOT GOING TO LEAK IN THE NOTHING
WILL CHANGE YOUR MIND. BUT IF YOU’RE COMING INTO IT WITH AN
OPEN MIND, YOU WILL TAKE IT WITH A LITTLE BIT OF SUSPICION AND
YOU CAN’T JUST BELIEVE EVERYTHING WITH ABSOLUTE
CERTAINTY BUT I DO THINK THAT WHEN YOU’RE SEEING SOMEONE JUST
UNABASHEDLY, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE, UNABASHEDLY TRY TO
LAND BLESSED HIM WITH THEIR TIME I THINK IT DOES CREATE A LEVEL
OF SIMPLY. THIS GUY WILL PAY HIS TIME. YOU
WILL BE IN FEDERAL PRISON FOR 3 YEARS. HE IS AT LEAST SHOWING A
DEGREE OF REMORSE. HE IS SHOWING CONTRITION AND HOPEFULLY I THINK
HE SEES THIS AS A CHANCE TO REDEEM HIMSELF. THERE IS NOTHING
ABOUT THIS TESTIMONY THAT HAS A CHANCE TO REDUCE HIS SENTENCE.
THIS IS SIMPLY, I BELIEVE, SO THAT HE CAN GET OUT THERE AND
HOPEFULLY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THEY HAVE TO DECIDE FOR
THEMSELVES. I CAN’T DECIPHER THEM. I HAVE TO COME OUT OF THIS
AND SAY, WHERE WOULD THIS BE SOMETHING HE
WOULD BE TELLING THE TRUTH AND WHERE WOULD IT NOT.
>>THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. REPRESENT THAT IS THAT VICE
CHAIR OF THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. AS I MENTIONED, I
HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND THEY
ARE REALLY REACTIVE. THEY ARE GLUED TO THE SCREEN. THIS MIGHT
BE ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS WHERE MICHAEL COHEN TESTIFIES. SO
PEOPLE ARE HERE AND STILL IN THE HALLWAYS, THEY ARE IN THAT
OVERFLOW ROOM. THEY WILL DON’T WANT TO MISS A MINUTE SO THAT IS
THE NUDE HERE ON CAPITOL HILL. >>THE REACTION OF PEOPLE IN THE
ROOM WILL DEPEND ON WHY THEY WERE DRAWN THERE IN THE FIRST
PLACE. THERE ARE A LOT OF CRITICS OF PRESENT TRUMP WHO ARE
COMING TO WATCH WHO WANT TO SEE THIS MOMENT OF A DEMOCRAT HAVING
THEIR FIRST OPPORTUNITY IN THIS NEW CONGRESS. PUT THE SCREWS TO
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
REPUBLICANS WILL BE THRILLED WITH HOW THEY ARE HANDLING THIS
AND THEIR ABILITY TO TRY TO SHOW THAT COHEN IS TRYING TO GET
SOMETHING OUT OF THIS HIMSELF. HE DID CONCEDE THAT WHILE GO
THAT WHILE HE HAS ALREADY BEEN SENTENCED, IF YOU GOT A LESSER
SENTENCE IT WOULD NOT BE A BAD THING WHILE HE SAYS THAT IS NOT
HIS MOTIVATION EMILY, HE WAS NOT LIKE, I AM STAYING IN PRISON FOR
3 YEARS NO MATTER WHAT. >>HE HAS DRAWN THE DISTINCTION
BETWEEN THE LIFE HE TOLD ON BEHALF OF THE PRESIDENT AND NOW
THAT HE IS NO LONGER BEHOLDEN TO THE PRESENT, THAT NOW WE CAN
BELIEVE MICHAEL COHEN AS THE PERSON, NOT MICHAEL COHEN THE
CONDUIT TO PRESENT TRUMP TO THE
CONGRESSWOMAN’S POINT THAT THERE IS SOME CONTEXT HERE THAT I
THINK DEMOCRATS COULD MIND. ONE THING I WAS STRUCK BY IS IN
MICHAEL COHEN’S TESTIMONY WHEN HE SAYS EVERY DAY WHEN HE WENT
TO WORK AT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, YOU ARE EXPECTED
TO LIE FOR DONALD TRUMP. I THINK THAT IS AN AREA WHERE PERHAPS
THERE IS SOME ROOM FOR DEMOCRATS TO DRILL DOWN ON. IF YOU WALKED
IN EXPECTED TO LIE ON BEHALF OF THE BOSS, WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE
LIES? WHERE’D YOU GO FROM THERE? I THINK THAT’S A LINE OF
QUESTIONING FOR DEMOCRATS FOR SURE.
>>THE CULTURE THAT WAS GENERATED IN THE TRUMP
ORGANIZATION EXTENDS TO THE TRUMP FAMILY.
>>HE SAID IVANKA AND JOHN JUNIOR WERE INVOLVED IN SOME OF
THESE THINGS AND SOME OF THE DOTS HE IS CONNECTING BETWEEN
NOT JUST THE PRESIDENT ALSO HIS CHILDREN AND TRUMP ORGANIZATION
BEING INVOLVED IN ALL OF THESE THINGS, HE HAS MENTIONED WEISEL
BERG MORE THAN I HAD REMEMBERED AND HAS NOT BEEN A LOT TO GRAB HOLD OF.
>>LET’S TALK ABOUT WHY THAT IS IMPORTANT.
>>THIS IS A GUY WHO WAS REPORTED ON THAT HE HAD REACHED
AN IMMUNITY DEAL WITH PROSECUTORS. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO
BE A LIMITED IMMUNITY DEAL. WE DON’T KNOW WHAT THE EXTENT OF
HIS COOPERATION WOULD BE. THAT THIS IS THE CHIEF FINANCIAL
OFFICER OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. HE WAS AWARE OF
MANY OF THE HAPPENING AROUND THE PRESENT.
MICHAEL COHEN HAS MENTIONED HIM IN A NUMBER OF TIMES WHEN IT
COMES TO THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENT, AND ALSO THINGS HAVING TO DO
WITH THAT HE WAS WORKING ON. SO I THINK THIS REALLY ADDS TO KIND
OF A JUICY SUBPLOT OF THIS WHOLE THING AND WE DON’T KNOW A LOT
ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW. >>WE HEARD ABOUT TENSION
RELEASE, THIS PRACTICE THAT MOST ORGANIZATIONS DO NOT GO IN FOR,
THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER AND READERS
ELECTIVELY DID WITH TEAM TRUMP AND ON STORIES THAT THEY HAD GOTTEN A HOLD UP WITH PEOPLE
WHO ARE WILLING TO TALK AND GET PAID FOR THEIR STORIES. HAVE WE
LEARNED ANYTHING NEW ON THAT? >>I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING
THAT MICHAEL COHEN WAS ASKED ABOUT THAT. HE WAS AROUND TRUMP
WILL NOT. I DON’T KNOW IF THAT IS BECAUSE HE KNOWS THEY WERE
INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS AT ALL BUT CERTAINLY THE FACT THAT HE
WOULD PUT THOSE NAMES FORWARD WAS SUGGESTIVE OF SOMETHING.
>>THESE BREAKS GIVE THE WITNESSES TO REGROUP BUT ALSO FOR MEMBERS
OF CONGRESS TO REGROUP AND THINK ABOUT, WHAT HAVE WE NOT
ACCOMPLISHED SO FAR. TWO HOURS INTO THIS HEARING. WE’LL SEE IF
DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICAN TAKE A DIFFERENT TACTIC ALONG THE WAYS THEY HAD BEEN
GOING. MICHAEL COHEN IS BACK IN THE REAL. WE WILL HEAD BACK TO
THE HEARING ROOM. YOU CAN KEEP WATCHING THIS LIVE HERE AT THE
WASHINGTON POST ALL DAY LONG.>>>MISS FOX.
>>THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, YOU HAD LIED ON YOUR TAXES. ACCORDING TO
FEDERAL PROSECUTORS YOU ALSO LIED TO BANKS TO GET LOANS. YOU
UNDERSTATED THE AMOUNT OF DEBT HE WAS CARRYING, OMITTED
INFORMATION FROM HIS PERSONAL INITIAL STATEMENTS TO INDUCE A
BANK TO LAND BASED ON INCOMPLETE INFORMATION. IS THAT
CORRECT? >>THAT IS CORRECT.
>>YOU LIED ON FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS? SO YOU LIED TO
FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS IN ORDER TO SECURE LOANS. WE HAVE
ESTABLISHED THAT YOU LIED ON YOUR TAXES CALL YOU LIKE TO
BANKS, AND YOU HAVE BEEN CONVICTED TO LYING TO CONGRESS.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE IS NOT MUCH YOU WILL NOT LIE ABOUT WHEN
YOU STAND TO GAIN FROM IT. IN FACT THE PROSECUTORS FOR THE
SOUTHERN DESERT OF NEW YORK NOTED THAT EACH OF YOUR CRIMES
BEAR COMMON SENSE CHARACTERISTICS WHERE EACH
INVOLVED DECEPTION AND BEING MOTIVATED BY YOUR PERSONAL
EMBERSON. AMBITION. IS YOUR APPEARANCE HERE TODAY MOTIVATED BY YOUR DESIRE TO STAY
IN THE SPOTLIGHT FOR YOUR PERSONAL BENEFIT?
>>NO. >>YOU HAVE TRIED TO IMPROVE
YOUR IMAGE TO AN HONORABLE, TRUTHFUL MAN BY APPEARING BEFORE
CABLE NEWS. I AM CONCERNED YOU COULD BE USING YOUR STORY AND
THIS CONGRESSIONAL PLATFORM FOR YOUR PERSONAL BENEFIT SUCH AS
THE DESIRE TO MAKE MONEY FROM BOOK DEALS. SO CAN YOU COMMIT
UNDER OATH THAT YOU HAVE NOT AND WILL NOT PURSUE A BOOK OR MOVIE
DEAL BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE WORKING FOR THE PRESIDENT?
>>NO. >>YOU CANNOT COMMIT TO MAKING
MONEY OFF OF A BOOK OR MOVIE DEAL BASED ON YOUR WORK?
>>NO. THERE ARE TWO PARTS TO YOUR
QUESTION. THE FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION YOU ASKED ME WHETHER OR
NOT I HAD SPOKEN TO PEOPLE REGARDING THE POSSIBLE BOOK DEAL
AND I HAVE. I HAVE SPOKEN TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE SOUGHT ME OUT
REGARDING A MOVIE DEAL. >>I DID NOT ASK IF YOU HAVE
TALKED TO ANY BUT I ASKED CAN YOU COMMIT UNDER OATH THAT YOU
WILL NOT, HAVE NOT AND WILL NOT PURSUE A BOOK DEAL.
>>I WILL NOT CAUGHT NO. >>CAN YOU COMMIT UNDER OATH
THAT YOU WILL NOT PURSUE OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE
COMMENTARY FOR A MAJOR NEWS NETWORK BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE
WORKING FOR THE PRESIDENT? >>NO.
>>CAN YOU COMMIT UNDER OATH THAT YOU WILL NOT PURSUE
POLITICAL OFFICE IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK?
>>NO. >>SO YOU DO NOT COMMIT TO
CHANGING YOUR WAYS A SICKLY CALL BECAUSE YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO
USE YOUR BACKGROUND AS A LIAR, A CHEATER, A CONVICTED LIAR, TO
MAKE MONEY. THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
>>THAT WILL GET ME A BOOK DEAL AND A MOVIE DEAL AND A SPOT ON
TELEVISION? I DON’T THINK SO. >>IT APPEARS THAT IT WILL. I
YIELD THE REMAINDER OF MY TIME MR. CHAIRMAN.>>MR. COHEN IN YOUR SENTENCING
STATEMENT TO THE COURT IN DECEMBER OF LETTER YOU WANT TO
APOLOGIZE TO THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES. YOU DESERVE TO
KNOW THE TRUTH. PROXIMALLY ONE MONTH LATER BUZZFEED NEWS READ A
STORY THAT WAS THE STORY IN THE COUNTRY FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS.
BUZZFEED STORY RAN JANUARY 17, 2019, ON JANUARY 18 YOUR COUNSEL
WENT ON TV AND WOULD NOT CONFIRM NOR DENY
THE STORY. THE NEXT DAY THE SPECIAL COUNSEL OFFICE DID
SOMETHING THAT NEVER HAPPENED. THEY SAID THE DESCRIPTION OF
SPECIFIC STATEMENTS AND THAT CHARACTERIZATION OF DOCUMENTS
CAME TO THIS OFFICE FROM MICHAEL COHEN’S TESTIMONY WERE NOT
ACCURATE. WIDE DID YOUR LAWYER, WHEN THE STORIES OF EXISTING IN
THE COUNTRY, WHY DID HE NOT DENY THE BUZZFEED STORY?>>BECAUSE I DID NOT THINK IT
WAS HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THAT. WE ARE NOT THE FACT
CHECKERS FOR BUZZFEED! HE IS ON TV TO TALK ABOUT THE VERY STORY.
YOU COMMITTED TO THE COURTS. WHEN YOU’RE TRYING TO GET YOUR
SENTENCE REDUCED THAT THE MARKET PEOPLE DESERVE TO KNOW THE
TRUTH. YOU HAD THE GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THEM THE
TRUTH ON A FALSE STORY CALLED THE BUZZFEED STORY, AND YOUR
LAWYER DID NOT SAY A THING. HE ACTUALLY
SAID DISTRICT HE SAID I CANNOT CONFIRM, I CANNOT DENY. YOU HAD
AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU TOLD THE JUDGE YOU’RE
GOING TO DO. ONE MONTH AFTER YOU SAID IT, AND YOU DID NOT DO IT.
WHY NOT? >>AGAIN, IT WAS NOT OUR
RESPONSIBILITY TO BE FACT CHECKER FOR THE NEWS AGENCY.
PLEASE LET ME FINISH. THE PRESIDENT SAYS SO FAR,
APPROXIMATELY 9000 — >>I HAD EIGHT SECONDS. LET ME
FINISH. >>THEY SPECIAL COUNSEL SAID
SOMETHING THEY HAVE NEVER SAID. THEY SAID THAT STORY WAS FALSE.
NOW YOU CAN RESPONSE. >>THE PRESIDENT HAS TOLD
SOMETHING OVER 9000 LIES TO DATE. DO I ASK DAVIS, DO I GO ON
TELEVISION TO CORRECT HIS MISTAKES? THE ANSWER
IS NO. >>IF YOU ARE THE SUBJECT YOU
WOULD. >>LISTEN UP. THE GENTLEMAN TIME
IS EXPIRED. YOU MAY FINISH ANSWERING THE QUESTION AND THEN
WE ARE GOING TO GO TO MR. CONNELLY.
>>ALL I WANTED TO SAY IS I FIND IT INTERESTING START, THAT
BETWEEN YOURSELF AND YOUR COLLEAGUES, THAT NOT ONE
QUESTION SO FAR SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE HAS BEEN ASKED ABOUT
PRESIDENT TRUMP. THAT IS ACTUALLY WHY I THOUGHT I WAS
COMING TODAY. NOT TO CONFESS THE MISTAKES I HAVE MADE. I HAVE
ALREADY DONE THAT. AND I WILL DO IT AGAIN EVERY TIME YOU ASK ME
ABOUT TAXES OR MISTAKES. YES I MADE MY MISTAKES. I WILL SAY IT
NOW AGAIN. I WILL PAY THE ULTIMATE PRICE. AND I AM NOT
HERE TODAY, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON’T CARE ABOUT MY TAXES. THEY
WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT I KNOW ABOUT MR. TRUMP. NOT ONE
QUESTION SO FAR HAS BEEN ASKED ABOUT MR. TRUMP.
>>MR. CONNELLY. >>THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. MR.
COHEN, BASED ON YOUR TESTIMONY AND YOUR 10 YEAR EXPERIENCE, I
THINK YOU CAN RECOGNIZE BEHAVIOR YOU ARE BEING SUBJECTED TO ON
THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE. DISCREDIT, SLANDER, USE ANY TRICK IN THE BOOK TO
PREVENT YOUR TESTIMONY FROM STICKING. THE
IDEA THAT A WITNESS WOULD COME TO US WHO IS A FLAWED, MEANS
THEY CAN NEVER TELL THE TRUTH. THERE IS NO THE VALIDITY
WHATSOEVER TO A SINGLE WORD THEY SAY WOULD DISCREDIT EVERY SINGLE
CRIMINAL TRIAL OF ORGANIZED CRIME IN HISTORY OF THE UNITED
STATES BECAUSE ALL OF THEM HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS FLAWED. IT WOULD
MAKE THIS NO AND VOID. WE COULD NOT USE IT ANYMORE. THIS
CONGRESS HISTORICALLY HAS RELIED ON ALL SORTS OF SHADY FIGURES
WHO TURN. ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS LED TO THE DECAPITATION OF
ORGANIZED CRIME FAMILIES IN AMERICA. HE COMMITTED A LOT
WORSE CRIME THAN YOU ARE CONVICTED OF MR. COHEN. SO DON’T BE FOOLED BY WHAT MY
FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE ARE TRYING TO DO TODAY. IT
IS DUE EVERYTHING BUT FOCUS ON THE PRINCIPLE. NO ASKING
INDIVIDUAL NUMBER ONE IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK IF
I RECALL. IS THAT CORRECT? >>THAT IS CORRECT. I WANT TO
ASK YOU ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT IN YOUR TESTIMONY. IN OUR
COMMITTEE STAFF SEARCH OF DOCUMENTS DIVIDED BY THE WHITE
HOUSE THAT WERE OTHERWISE REJECTED ARE ALREADY IN THE
PUBLIC, I GUESS THE WHITE HOUSE THOUGHT THAT WAS FUNNY, THEY
MADE ONE MISTAKE. THERE WAS AN EMAIL FROM A SPECIAL ASSISTANT
TO THE PRESIDENT TO A DEPUTY WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL AND THE
EMAIL IS DATED MAY 16, 20 SOMETHING. IS SAYS, THE PRESIDENT REQUESTED A
MEETING ON THURSDAY WITH MICHAEL COHEN AND JASON:. ANY IDEA WHAT
THIS MIGHT BE ABOUT? >>DO YOU RECALL BEING ASKED TO
COME TO THE WHITE HOUSE ON OR AROUND THAT TIME?
>>MAY OF 2017.>>OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD SIR, I
DON’T. I RECALL BEING IN THE WHITE HOUSE WITH JACEK LOW IN
REGARD TO THE DOCUMENTS, THE DOCUMENT REDUCTION AS WELL AS MY
APPEARANCE BEFORE THE HOUSE SELECT INTEL. BUT I’M NOT SURE
IF THAT SPECIFICALLY WAS IT THAT I WILL CHECK ALL MY RECORDS AND
I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVIDE YOU WITH ANY DOCUMENTATION OR A
RESPONSE TO THIS QUESTION. >>YOU SORT OF TOUCHED ON THE
PRESUMABLY, THE PURPOSE OF THE DISCUSSION AT LEAST AMONG
OTHERS. THIS OCCURRED, THIS MEETING OCCURRED JUST BEFORE
YOUR TESTIMONY BEFORE THE SELECT COMMITTEE IN-HOUSE. IS THAT
CORRECT? >>YES.
>>WAS THAT A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION WITH THE PRESIDENT
HIMSELF? >>I THINK SO.
>>DID YOU HAVE COME STATION WITH HIM ABOUT YOUR PENDING
TESTIMONY BEFORE THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE?
>>THAT IS CORRECT. >>WHAT WAS THE NATURE OF THAT
CONVERSATION? >>HE WANTED ME TO COOPERATE. HE
ALSO WANTED JUST TO BE SURE I AM MAKING THE STATEMENT AND I SAID
IN MY TESTIMONY, THAT THERE IS NO COLLUSION IN RUSSIA, THERE IS
NO DEAL. IT’S ALL A WITCHHUNT. HE SAID THIS STUFF HAS TO END.
>>DID YOU TAKE THOSE COMMENTS TO BE SUGGESTIVE OF WHAT MIGHT
LABOR YOUR TESTIMONY? >>HE HAS BEEN SAYING THAT TO ME
FOR MANY MANY MONTHS. AT THE END OF THE DAY I KNEW
EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED ME TO SAY! QUIET WAS MR. SEC: IN THE
MEETING? >>HE WAS GOING TO BE
REPRESENTING MR. TRUMP GOING FORWARD AS ONE OF HIS PERSONAL
ATTORNEYS IN THIS MATTER. >>SO IT WAS A HANDOFF MEETING?
>>YES. DID THE PRESIDENT ANYWAY COACH YOU ON HOW TO RESPOND TO
QUESTIONS?>>IT’S DIFFICULT TO ANSWER
BECAUSE HE DOES NOT TELL YOU WHAT HE WANTS. THERE IS NO
RUSSIA. THERE IS NO COLLUSION. THERE IS NO INVOLVEMENT, THERE
IS NO APPEARANCE. I KNOW WHAT HE MEANS BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN AROUND
HIM FOR SO LONG. SO IF YOU’RE ASKING ME WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS
A MESSAGE THAT IS STAYING ON POINT, THAT IS A PARTY LINE THAT
HE CREATED, THAT SO MANY OTHERS ARE NOW TOUTING, YES THAT IS THE
MESSAGE THAT HE WANTED TO REINFORCE.
>>CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT YOU SAID AT TIMES YOU DO WHAT YOU THOUGHT
MR. TRUMP WANTED YOU TO DO, NOT WHAT HE TOLD YOU TO DO?
>>YES. >>SO YOU JUST WENT ON YOUR
INTUITION. >>I DON’T KNOW IF I WOULD CALL
IT INTUITION AS I WOULD JUST SAY, MY KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT HE
WANTED BECAUSE IT HAPPENED BEFORE, AND I KNEW WHAT HE
WANTED. >>DOES A LAWYER HAVE A DUTY TO
PROVIDE HIS CLIENT WAS GOOD LEGAL ADVICE?
>>YES. >>WERE YOU A GOOD LAWYER TO MR.
TRUMP? >>I BELIEVE SO.
>>WHEN YOU ARRANGED A PAYMENT, YOU SAY IN YOUR TESTIMONY, THAT
YOU DID SO WITHOUT BOTHERING TO CONSIDER
WHETHER THAT WAS IMPROPER, MUCH LESS WHETHER IT WAS THE RIGHT
THING TO DO. YOU SAID THAT. THAT IS YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY. YOU
SAID YOU DID NOT EVEN CONSIDER WHETHER IT WAS LEGAL. HOW CAN
YOU GIVE YOUR CLIENT LEGAL ADVICE WHEN YOU ARE NOT EVEN
CONSIDERING WHETHER IT IS LEGAL.>>I DID WHAT I KNEW MR. TRUMP
WANTED. >>THIS IS CONVERSATION WITH MR.
TRUMP PICK >>I DIDN’T ASK YOU WHETHER YOU
ARE A GOOD FIXER. I ASK YOU WHETHER YOU ARE A GOOD LAWYER.
>>SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO KNOW BOTH TOGETHER. I NEEDED TO AT
THAT TIME IN SURE AND PROTECT MR. TAM. I AM CLEARLY SUFFERING
THAT PENALTY OF THAT.>>DO YOU FEEL LIKE WHETHER THIS
WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, BY IGNORING ANY CONSCIENCE IF YOU
HAVE ONE, THAT YOU ARE PROTECTING MR. TRUMP ?
>>I’M SORRY I DON’T UNDERSTAND.>>YOU FELT LIKE AS HIS LAWYER,
YOU FEEL THAT YOU DID A GOOD JOB. YOU SAID YOU ARE A GOOD
LAWYER, RIGHT? IS THAT BEING A GOOD LAWYER? DO NOT EVEN
CONSIDER WHETHER IT IS LEGAL OR NOT?
>>I DID NOT WORK FOR THE CAMPAIGN. I WAS WORKING AND I
WAS TRYING TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP. THIS GOES BACK ALL THE WAY TO
2011. THIS IS NOT THE FIRST SCENARIO. MY POINT IS, THIS WAS
AN ONGOING SITUATION. IT DID NOT JUST START. YOU HAVE TO LET ME
FINISH. IS STARTED, IT DID NOT START IN OCTOBER, IT STARTED MANY YEARS EARLIER.
>>WHEN WERE YOU DISBARRED? >>YESTERDAY FROM WHAT I READ IN
THE PAPER. >>WHEN SHOULD YOU HAVE BEEN
DISBARRED BASED ON THE LEGAL COUNSEL YOU ARE GIVING YOUR
CLIENT? >>I DON’T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR
YOUR QUESTION. >>HOW LONG WERE YOU COUNSEL FOR
TO COME? >>SINCE THE 2007.
>>WHAT IS THE FIRST TIME YOU GAVE HIM BAD LEGAL ADVICE OR
FAILED TO INFORM HIM OF HIS LEGAL OBLIGATIONS AS YOU TESTIFY
TODAY, YOU DID IN THE CASE OF THE PAYMENT TO MS. CLIFFORD?
WHEN WAS THE FIRST TIME YOU DO THAT? WITH THAT QUALIFY FOR
DISBARMENT? >>I DON’T KNOW CONCERT. I AM
NOT THE BAR ASSOCIATION. >>I THINK YOU SHOULD CONSULT
WITH THEM OCCASIONALLY ON THESE THINGS.
>>THERE IS NO POINT NOW, I LOST MY LAW LICENSE.
>>IF ANYBODY ELSE PROMISED TO PAY MR. DAVIS REPRESENTING YOU?
>>NOBODY HAS? ARE YOU OFFERING?>>YOU SAID, AND THIS IS ALSO IN YOUR
TESTIMONY, IN THE DAYS BEFORE THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION, YOU
CAME PRETTY TO A CONVERSATION THAT SOME OF THE CLINTON’S
EMAILS WOULD BE. IS THAT CORRECT?
>>CORRECT. >>WITH THAT IN LATE JULY? DO
YOU KNOW THE EXACT DATE? >>I BELIEVE IT WAS EITHER THE
18th OR THE 19th.>>BUT IT WAS DEFINITELY JULY.
>>YES. >>DO YOU KNOW THAT WAS PUBLIC
KNOWLEDGE IN JUNE? MR. SANCHEZ — REPORTED TO THAT MEETING ON
JUNE 12 THAT THOSE EMAILS WOULD BE LATE. I’M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE
FAKE NEWS, I AM SAYING YOU HAD OLD NEWS. I WOULD LIKE TO YIELD
THE REMAINDER OF MY TIME TO MR. HIGGINS.>>YOU SAID EARLIER I SENT LAST
WEEK LOOKING TO BOXES TO FIND DOCUMENTS TO SUPPORT YOUR
ALLEGATIONS. WHERE ARE THOSE BOXES? ARE THEY IN YOUR GARAGE ?
>>THEY ARE IN STORAGE. >>ARE THESE NOT BOXES THAT
SHOULD’VE BEEN TURNED OVER TO INVESTIGATIVE AUTHORITIES DURING
THE MANY CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS YOU HAVE BEEN SUBJECT TO?
>>THESE ARE THE BOXES THAT WERE RETURNED TO ME.
>>THEY INCLUDE DATA PERTINENT TO CRIMES YOU HAVE COMMITTED,
SHOULD THEY NOT BE TURNED OVER TO INVESTIGATIVE AUTHORITY?
>>YOU MAY ANSWER THE QUESTION. >>I DON’T UNDERSTAND HIS
QUESTION, SIR. >>MR. COHEN, GOOD MORNING. THANK
YOU CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS FOR CONVENING THIS MEETING AND THANK
YOU MR. COHEN FOR VOLUNTARILY TESTIFYING THIS MORNING. YOU ARE
SPECIAL COUNSEL FOR THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, CORRECT?
>>YES.>>SPECIAL COUNSEL MEANS YOU
WERE THE ATTORNEY FOR HIM, CORRECT?
>>I WAS THERE TO HANDLE MATTERS THAT HE FELT WERE SIGNIFICANT
AND IMPORTANT TO HIM INDIVIDUALLY .
>>AND THAT INCLUDED LEGAL MATTERS?
>>YES. BUT AS A FORMER ATTORNEY YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH LEGAL
DOCUMENTS CALLED NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS. I AM SURE YOU KNOW
THAT PROPERLY WRITTEN, THEY CAN BE REASONABLE IN CERTAIN
BUSINESS CONTACTS. BUT THEY CAN ALSO BE ABUSED TO CREATE A
CHILLING EFFECT TO SILENCE PEOPLE AS WE HAVE SEEN IN THE ME
TO MOVEMENT AND OTHER PLACES. THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION USED
THESE EXTENSIVELY, AND I CORRECT?
>>YES. >>I AM READING FROM A RECENT
WASHINGTON POST ARTICLE REGARDING THE LANGUAGE AND ONE
OF THESE TYPES OF DOCUMENTS WERE THE TERMS WERE DESCRIBED AS VERY
BROAD. FOR INSTANCE, THE TERMS CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION WAS
DEFINED TO BE ANYTHING THAT MR. TRUMP INSIST REMAIN PRIVATE OR CONFIDENTIAL
INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, ANY INFORMATION WITH RESPECT TO
THE PERSONAL LIFE, POLITICAL AFFAIRS, AND OR BUSINESS AFFAIRS
OF MR. TRUMP OR ANY FAMILY MEMBER. DO THOSE TERMS SOUND FAMILIAR TO
YOU? >>I HAVE SEEN THAT DOCUMENT.
>>THERE IS A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT FILED THIS MONTH BY
FORMER TRUMP CAMPAIGN WORKER, JESSICA BENSON THAT THIS
LANGUAGE IS ILLEGAL BECAUSE IT IS TOO BROAD, TOO VAGUE, AND
WOULD BE USED TO RETALIATE AGAINST EMPLOYEES WHO COMPLAIN
OF ILLEGALITY OR WRONGDOING. WOULD YOU AGREE THAT IN THE USE
OF THESE TYPES OF DOCUMENTS WITH THIS TYPE OF LANGUAGE, AND LATER
WENT DONALD TRUMP SOUGHT TO ENFORCE THEM THAT THEY INTENDED
TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM COMING FORWARD WITH CLAIMS OF
WRONGDOING? >>YES.
>>WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THE EFFECTIVE USE OF THESE AND THEIR
ENFORCEMENT WAS TO HAVE A CHILLING EFFECT ON PEOPLE OR
SILENCE THEM FROM COMING FORWARD?
>>IF YOU WANTED TO FIND CHILLING THEM, I’M NOT SURE.
>>JUST THAT HE WOULD USE THESE TO TRY TO ENFORCE THEM OR WOULD
BASICALLY TRY TO KEEP PEOPLE SILENT.
>>THAT WAS THE GOAL. >>NOTHING AT THE TRUMP
ORGANIZATION WAS EVER DONE UNLESS IT WAS RUN THROUGH PRESENT DONALD TRUMP, CORRECT?
>>THAT IS 100% CERTAIN. >>MR. COHEN, DO YOU BELIEVE
THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE TODAY, EITHER FROM THE PRESENT
BUSINESS OR PERSONAL LIFE, WHO ARE NOT COMING FORWARD TO TELL
THEIR STORIES OF WRONGDOING BECAUSE OF THE PRESIDENT’S USE
OF THESE AGAINST THEM? >>I AM SORRY SIR, I DON’T KNOW
THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. >>SIR, I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER
QUESTIONS FOR YOU. WHEN WAS THE LAST VACATION WITH PRESIDENT
TRUMP OR SOMEONE ASK ACTING ON HIS BEHALF?
>>I DON’T HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE BUT IT WAS A WHILE AGO.
>>OKAY DO YOU HAVE A GENERAL TIMEFRAME?
>>I WOULD SUSPECT IT WAS TWO MONTHS POST THE RAID OF MY HOME.
>>EARLY FALL OF LAST YEAR? >>GENERALLY.
>>WHAT DID HE OR HIS AGENT COMMUNICATE TO YOU?
>>UNFORTUNATELY, THIS TOPIC IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT IS BEING
INVESTIGATED RIGHT NOW BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
AND I HAVE BEEN ASKED BY THEM NOT TO DISCUSS IT AND NOT TO
TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES. >>THERE ENOUGH. IS THERE ANY
OTHER WRONGDOING OR ILLEGAL ACT THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF REGARDING
DONALD TRUMP THAT WE HAVE NOT YET DISCUSSED TODAY?
>>YES. AGAIN, THOSE ARE PART OF THE INITIATION THAT IS CURRENTLY
BEING LOOKED AT IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK WORK
>>CONGRESSMAN COOPER ASKED YOU ABOUT WHETHER YOU WERE AWARE OF ANY PHYSICAL
VIOLENCE COMMITTED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF
QUICK QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP AND
USING ANY CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES?>>I AM NOT AWARE THAT CONDO.
>>YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP BEING DELINQUENT
ON ANY ALIMONY OR CHILD CARE PAYMENTS NEXT
>>I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY. >>YOU HAVE A KNOWLEDGE OF
PRESENT OF ARRANGING ANY HEALTHCARE PROCEDURES FOR ANY
WOMAN NOT HIS FAMILY? >>I AM NOT AWARE THAT CONDO.
>>THANK YOU, YIELD BACK. >>THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, CAN YOU TELL ME THE
SIGNIFICANCE OF MAY 6? >>IN TERMS OF ?
>>A COUPLE OF MONTHS FROM NOW. >>THAT IS THE DAY THAT I NEED
TO SURRENDER TO FEDERAL PRISON. >>CAN YOU FOR THE RECORD STATE WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN CONVICTED OF?
>>I HAVE BEEN CONVICTED ON FIVE COUNTS OF TAX EVASION. THERE IS
ONE COUNT OF MISREPRESENTATION DOCUMENTS TO A BANK. THERE IS
TWO COUNTS, ONE DEALING WITH CAMPAIGN-FINANCE FOR KAREN
McDOUGAL, ONE COUNT OF CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATION FOR STORMY
DANIELS, AS WELL AS LYING TO CONGRESS.
>>THANK YOU. CAN YOU STATE WHAT YOUR OFFICIAL TITLE FOR THE
CAMPAIGN WITH? >>I DID NOT HAVE A CAMPAIGN TITLE.
>>YOUR POSITION IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION?
>>I DID NOT HAVE ONE. >>TODAY’S TEST MONICA YOU SAID
YOU ARE NOT LOOKING TO WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE. THE SOUTHERN
DISTRICT OF NEW YORK IN THEIR STATEMENT, THEIR SENTENCING MEMO SAYS THIS.
COLLEGE CRIMINAL VIOLATIONS IN THE FEDERAL ELECTION LAWS WERE
ALSO STIRRED LIKE OTHERS, CRIMES OF HIS OWN AMBITION ANGRY. HE
TOLD FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES INCLUDING TEXT MESSAGES THAT
EXPECT TO BE GIVEN A PROMINENT ROLE IN THE NEW MENSTRUATION.
WHEN THAT DID NOT MATERIALIZE:FOUND A WAY TO
MONETIZE HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PRESIDENT. WHERE THEY LYING OR WERE YOU LYING TODAY?
>>I’M NOT SAYING IT’S A LIE. I AM JUST SAYING IT IS NOT
ACCURATE. I DID NOT WANT TO GO TO THE WHITE HOUSE. I RETAINED
AND I BROUGHT AN ATTORNEY IN AND I SAT WITH MR. TRUMP WITH HIM
FOR WELL OVER AN HOUR EXPLAINING THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING A
PERSONAL ATTORNEY THAT EVERY PRESIDENT HAS HAD ONE, IN ORDER
TO HANDLE MATTERS LIKE THE MATTERS I WAS DEALING WITH. THAT
INCLUDED STORMY DANIELS, OTHER PERSONAL MATTERS.
>>ACUTE EXCUSE ME THIS IS MY TIME. SO ARE YOU SAYING THIS
SENTENCING MEMO IS INCORRECT? I WILL SUBMIT THIS FOR THE RECORD. THIS MEMO STATES THAT YOU
COMMITTED FOUR DISTINCT FEDERAL CRIMES OVER A PERIOD OF SEVERAL
YEARS. YOU WERE MOTIVATED TO DO SO BY PERSONAL GREED AND
REPEATEDLY USE YOUR POWER TO INFLUENCE FOR DECEPTIVE ENDS. HE
GOES ON TO SAY THAT YOU WERE CAUGHT AT THE EACH INVOLVED, OR
STINK IN THEIR HARMS BUT HAD A COMMON SET OF THINGS LIKE PERSONAL GREED AND AMBITION. THERE IS A LOT WE KNOW
ABOUT THIS INVESTIGATION BUT WE DO KNOW YOU WERE EXPECTING A JOB
IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND DID NOT GET IT. YOU MADE MILLIONS LYING
ABOUT YOUR CLOSE ACCESS TO THE PRESIDENT. YOU HAVE A HISTORY OF
LYING FOR PERSONAL GAIN INCLUDING TWO BANKS, LAW
ENFORCEMENT CAUGHT YOUR FAMILY, THE CONGRESS, AND THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE. THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, YOU SAID YOU DID THIS
AT A BLIND LOYALTY TO MR. TRUMP. YOUR SENTENCING MEMO SAYS IS.
THIS IS NOT AN ACT OUT OF LIGHT LOYALTY F:SUGGEST. HE WAS DRIVEN
BY A DESIRE TO FURTHER INGRATIATE HIMSELF WITH
POTENTIAL FUTURE PRESIDENTS FOR HIS POLITICAL SUCCESS,:HIMSELF
COULD CLAIM CREDIT FOR. WE ARE IN A SEARCH FOR TRUTH AND I
DON’T KNOW CHAIRMAN HOW WE ARE SUPPOSED TO ASCERTAIN THE TRUTH
IN THIS QUAGMIRE AT A HEARING WHEN THE BEST WITNESS WE CAN
BRING BEFORE US HAS ALREADY BEEN CONVICTED OF LYING BEFORE US.
WHAT IS SAD IS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THIS PLAY OUT
BEFORE. WE HAVE PEOPLE IN PROMINENT POSITIONS THEY’LL AND
THEN A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER THEY GET A BOOK DEAL. YOU ARE
SET TO GO TO JAIL FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND COME OUT WITH A
MULTIMILLION DOLLAR BOOK DEAL. THAT IS NOT BAD LIVING. SO MY
QUESTION IS, WILL YOU TODAY COMMIT TO DONATE ANY FURTHER
PROCEEDS OF DEALS, FILM REVIEWS, TO CHARITY?
>>NO. >>WILL THE GENTLEMAN YELLED?
YIELD ?
>>I YIELD TO MR. MEADOWS. >>MR. COHEN, HE HAS YIELDED TO
ME. LISTEN, — >>MAY I FINISH MY RESPONSE?
>>MR. COHEN, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN MADE OF YOUR LIFE IN THE PAST. I AM CONCERNED
ABOUT YOUR LIFE TODAY. UNDERGO TESTIMONY JUST A FEW MINUTES
AGO, TO ME, YOU INDICATED THAT YOU HAD CONTRACTS WITH FOREIGN
ENTITIES AND YET WE HAVE A TRUTH AND TESTIMONY DISCLOSURE WHICH
ALLOWS REQUIRES YOU TO LIST THOSE FOREIGN CONTRACTS FOR THE
LAST 2 YEARS AND YOU PUT NOT APPLICABLE ON THERE. THAT IS A
CRIMINAL OFFENSE TO NOT HAVE THAT ACCURATE. SO WHEN WERE YOU
LYING? IN THE TESTIMONY TO ME EARLIER TODAY OR WHEN YOU FILL
OUT THE FORM? >>HIS TIME HAS EXPIRED. MR.
COHEN CALL YOU MAY ANSWER HIS QUESTION AND THEN WHATEVER YOU
WANT TO SAY. >>UNFORTUNATELY I DO NOT HAVE
AN ANSWER TO HIS QUESTION. >>MR. CHAIRMAN —
>>THIS IS OUT OF ORDER. HE SAID HE DOES NOT HAVE AN ANSWER.
>>MR. CHAIRMAN, WHEN WE WERE IN THE MAJORITY, WITH ALL DUE
RESPECT MR. CHAIRMAN, HOLD ON. >>THE GENTLEMAN JUST SAID HE
DOES NOT HAVE AN ANSWER. YOU HAVE GONE OVER YOUR TIME.
>>HE IS UNDER OATH TO TELL THE TRUTH. ONE OF THEM IS NOT
ACCURATE. >>YOU WILL HAVE TIME TO ASK A
QUESTION. >>JUST A QUESTION.
>>MR. COHEN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMPOSURE TODAY. OUR COLLEAGUES
ARE NOT UPSET BECAUSE YOU LIED TO CONGRESS FOR
THE PRESENT. THEY ARE UPSET BECAUSE YOU STOPPED LYING TO
CONGRESS FOR THE PRESENT. YOU DESCRIBE THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AS A
ONCE-IN-A-LIFETIME MONEYMAKING OPPORTUNITY. THIS MAY BE THE
MOST TRANSIENT OBSERVATION OR YOUR OF YOUR WHOLE TESTIMONY.
YOU THINK THAT TRUMP PRESENTS HE EVER STOPPED BEING ABOUT MAKING MONEY
FOR HIM AND HIS FAMILY? >>YES.
>>WHEN DID SOMETHING THAT? >>WHEN HE WON THE ELECTION.
>>THAT IT HAD TO BE ABOUT FIGURING OUT WHAT TO DO HERE IN
WASHINGTON. >>CAN YOU CAREFULLY EXPLAIN TO
AMERICA HOW THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENT TO KAREN McDOUGAL AND
STORMY DANIELS WORKS? CAN YOU CAREFULLY EXPLAIN WHAT CATCH AND
KILL IS? >>I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL
REGARDING BOTH KAREN McDOUGAL AS WELL AS STORMY DANIELS,
OBVIOUSLY AT DIFFERENT TIMES STATING THAT THERE WERE ISSUES
THAT WERE GOING TO BE DAMAGING TO MR. TRUMP. WITH STORMY
DANIELS IT STARTED IN 2011 WHEN SHE WANTED TO HAVE SOMETHING
REMOVED FROM HER WEBSITE. THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME I SPOKE WITH
KEITH DAVID SAID, HER THEN ACTING ATTORNEY. WE WERE
SUCCESSFUL IN HAVING IT TAKEN DOWN FROM THE WEBSITE. IT WASN’T
UNTIL YEARS LATER, AROUND THE TIME OF THE CAMPAIGN, THAT THEY
CAME BACK AND THEY ASKED WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NOW BECAUSE
SHE IS BACK ON THE TRAIL TRYING TO SELL THE STORY AT WHICH POINT
IN TIME DAVID ON BEHALF OF THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER REACHED OUT TO
HER AND HER ATTORNEY IN ORDER TO GO TAKE A LOOK AT LIE DETECTOR
TESTS THAT WOULD PROVE THAT SHE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH. THEY THEN
CONTACTED ME AND TOLD ME THAT SHE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH AT
WHICH POINT IN ALL THE TIMES — >>SHE TOOK A LIE DETECTOR TEST?>>YES AND IT WAS RECEIVED BY AN
EMPLOYEE OF THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER. I WENT STRAIGHT TO THE
TRUMP’S OFFICE AND SAID — >>WERE THERE OTHER WOMEN PAID
SEXUAL HUSH MONEY I DONALD TRUMP OR HIS ORGANIZATION ?
>>NO. >>YOU’RE NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER
CASES? >>I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER
CASE THAT MR. TRUMP PAID. THAT BRINGS US TO KAREN McDOUGAL. HE
WAS SUPPOSED TO PAY. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO PAY $125,000 FOR THE
LIFE STORY OF KAREN McDOUGAL. BUT WHATEVER THE REASON MAYBE HE
ELECTED NOT TO PAY IT. DAVID ECHO WAS VERY ANGRY
BECAUSE THERE WAS ALSO OTHER MONIES THAT DAVID HAD EXPENDED
ON HIS BEHALF. UNFORTUNATELY I NEVER GOT PAID BACK FOR THAT
EITHER. >>SO DAVID HAD DONE THIS IN
OTHER CASES? >>OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES, YES. NOT
ALL OF THEM HAD TO DO WITH WOMEN .
>>ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT THE WOMEN — THE PRESIDENT
HAS DONE AT HOME OR ABROAD THAT MAY HAVE SUBJECTIVE HIM TO
EXTORTION OR BLACKMAIL? >>I AM NOT CONNEAUT.
>>ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY VIDEOTAPES THAT MAY BE THE SUBJECT OF EXTORTION OR
BLACKMAIL? >>I HAVE HEARD ABOUT THESE
TAPES FOR A LONG TIME, I HAVE MANY PEOPLE CONTACT ME OVER THE
YEARS. I HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THAT TAPE EXISTS.
>>IN DECEMBER 2015 DONALD TRUMP WAS ASKED ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP
WITH A CONVICTED REAL ESTATE — AND HE SAID HE WAS NOT FAMILIAR
WITH HIM. WHY DID TRUMP ENDEAVOR TO HIDE HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH
FELIX AND WHAT WAS HIS RELATIONSHIP?
>>HE CERTAINLY HAD A RELATIONSHIP. WITH A PARTNER IN
A COMPANY THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THE DEAL THE TRUMP SOHO HOTEL AS
WELL AS I BELIEVE THE TRUMP FORT LAUDERDALE PROJECT. WHY DID HE
WANT TO DISTANCE HIMSELF? THAT IS WHAT MR. TRUMP DOES. HE
DISTANCES HIMSELF WHEN THINGS GO BAD FOR SOMEONE AND AT THAT
POINT IN TIME IT WAS GOING BAD FOR HIM.
>>YOU SAID YOU LIKE TO CONGRESS ABOUT TRUMP’S NEGOTIATIONS TO
BUILD HIS MOSCOW POWER BECAUSE IT WAS CLEAR HE WANTED YOU TO
LIE. ONE OF THE REASONS YOU DO THIS IS BECAUSE MR. TRUMP’S
PERSONAL LAWYERS REVIEWED AND EDITED MY STATEMENT TO CONGRESS
ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE MOSCOW TOWER NEGOTIATIONS BEFORE I GAVE
IT. THIS IS A PRETTY BREATH TAKING CLAIM AND I JUST WANT TO
GET TO THE FACT HERE. WHICH SPECIFIC LAWYERS REVIEWED
AND EDITED YOUR STATEMENT TO CONGRESS ON THE MOSCOW TOWER
NEGOTIATIONS? >>THERE WERE CHANGES MADE. JAY
SEKULOW 41. >>GENTLEMEN, THE TIME HAS
EXPIRED. >>THERE WERE SEVERAL CHANGES
MADE INCLUDING HOW WE WERE GOING TO HANDLE THAT MESSAGE.
>>WERE YOU FINISHED? >>THE MESSAGE OF COURSE BEING
THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT THE TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW PROJECT
STAYED AND REMAINED ALIVE. >>THAT WAS ONE OF THE CHANGES?
>>1st OF ALL I WOULD LIKE TO CLEAR UP SOMETHING. THERE’S SOMETHING THAT BOTHERS
ME. HE STARTED OUT HIS TESTIMONY THIS MORNING AND SAID IN
RESPONSE TO SOME QUESTION THAT PRESENT TRUMP NEVER EXPECTED TO
WIN. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT I DEALT WITH SEVERAL PRESENT
TRUMP SEVERAL TIMES AND HE WAS ALWAYS CONFIDENT. HE WAS WORKING
VERY HARD. THIS IDEA THAT SOMEHOW HE WAS JUST RUNNING TO
RAISE HIS PROFILE FOR SOME FUTURE VENTURE, AT LEAST IN MY
EXPERIENCE IS PREPOSTEROUS. I FIND IT OFFENSIVE WHEN THE TRUMP
PEOPLE IMPLY THAT HE DID NOT EXPECT TO WIN. BUT BE THAT AS IT
MAY CAUGHT MY FIRST QUESTION CONCERNS YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH
THE COURT. DO YOU EXPECT, RIGHT NOW I THINK YOUR SENTENCE IS 3
YEARS. DO YOU EXPECT ANY TIME USING THIS TESTIMONY, OTHER
TESTIMONY AFTER YOU GET DONE DOING WHATEVER YOU’RE GOING TO
DO, DO YOU EVER EXPECT TO GO BACK AND ASK FOR ANY REDUCTION
IN SENTENCE? >>YES. THERE ARE ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS CURRENTLY BEING
CONDUCTED THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS COMMITTEE OR
CONGRESS THAT I AM ASSISTING AND IT IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF A
RULE 35 MOTION CAUGHT YES. >>SO DO YOU EXPECT ONCE YOU
TESTIFY HERE TODAY, IT WILL AFFECT GOING BACK AND REDUCING YOUR SENTENCE? WILL YOU GO BACK
AND ASK FOR A FURTHER REDUCTION?>>BASED OFF MY APPEARANCE
TODAY? >>BASED UPON WHATEVER YOU DO
BETWEEN NOW AND YOUR REQUEST. >>THE RULE 35 MOTION IS IN THE
COMPLETE HANDS OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. THE WAY IT
WORKS IS THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE THEM WITH INFORMATION
THAT LEADS TO ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS. I AM CURRENTLY
WORKING WITH THEM RIGHT NOW ON SEVERAL OTHER ISSUES OF
INVESTIGATION THAT CONCERNS THEM, THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT.
IF THOSE INVESTIGATIONS BECOME FRUITFUL, THEN THERE IS THE
POSSIBILITY FOR A RULE 35 MOTION. I DON’T KNOW FOR THE
BENEFIT IN TERMS OF TIME WOULD BE. BUT THIS CONGRESSIONAL
HEARING TODAY IS NOT GOING TO BE THE BASIS OF A RULE 35 MOTION. I
WISH IT WAS THAT IT IS NOT.>>I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE
POLICY STATEMENT YOU GAVE TO CONGRESS. IT ASKS FOR CONTRACTS
WITH FOREIGN ENTITIES OF THE LAST 2 YEARS. HAVE YOU HAD ANY
WORN CONTRACTS WITH FOREIGN ENTITIES REGARDLESS OF WHO IT IS
FROM? YOUR TESTIMONY EARLIER SAID THAT
YOU HAD CONTRACTS WITH THEM. IN FACT YOU WENT INTO DETAIL.
>>I BELIEVE IT ASKED ABOUT LOBBYING. I DID NO LOBBYING.
>>I AM NOT ASKING ABOUT LOBBYING.
>>THEY ARE NOT GOVERNMENT AGENCIES.
>>DO YOU HAVE FOREIGN CONTRACTS?>>I CURRENTLY HAVE NO FOREIGN
CONTACTS. >>DID YOU HAVE FOREIGN
CONTRACTS OF THE LAST 2 YEARS? >>CONTRACTS WITH FOREIGN
ENTITIES. DID YOU HAVE CONTRACTS ?
>>YES. >>WHY DID YOU PUT THEM ON THE
FORM? IT SAYS IT IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE NOT TO PUT THEM ON THIS
FORM THE LAST 2 YEARS. WHY DO YOU NOT DO THAT?
>>COUSINS FOREIGN COMPANIES THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO ARE
NOT GOVERNMENT COMPANIES. >>IT SAYS NON-MENTAL COMMENTS
ARE:. YOU SIGNED IT. IT SAYS FOREIGN CONTRACTS. DO YOU WANT
US TO READ IT TO YOU ?
>>I READ IT AND IT WAS REVIEWED BY MY COUNSEL. I AM A
NONGOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE. IT WAS NOT LOBBY. THEY ARE NOT FOREIGN
CONTACTS. >>IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
LOVING. IT IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE NOT TO LIST ALL YOUR FOREIGN
CONTRACTS. THAT IS WHAT IT SAYS.>>I WILL TAKE A LOOK AT IT
BEFORE I LEAVE AND HOPEFULLY I WILL AMEND IT PRIOR TO LEAVING THAT IS NOT THE WAY I READ YOUR
DOCUMENT. >>IT IS JUST ONE MORE EXAMPLE
MR. COHEN OF YOUR STARTING THE TRUTH. I WILL ASK ONE OTHER
QUESTION. IT IS MY TIME, NOT YOURS. WERE YOU ADVISED OR WAS
YOUR COUNSEL ADVISED TO WITHHOLD YOUR WRITTEN TESTIMONY TO THE
LATEST POSSIBLE DATE AS JOHN DEAN SAID LAST NIGHT ON CNN?>>WAS MY WHAT?
>>WERE YOU ADVISED OR WAS YOUR COUNSEL ADVISED TO WITHHOLD YOUR
WRITTEN TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMITTEE AT THE LATEST POSSIBLE
DATE TO GET IT TO THIS COMMITTEE AT THE LATEST POSSIBLE DATE AT
JOHN DEAN SAID HE ADVISED YOU? YES OR NO?
>>NO. >>WHOEVER ADVISED YOU.
>>JOHN DEAN? I HAVE NEVER SPOKEN TO JOHN DEAN.
>>HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO YOUR ATTORNEY? ASK YOUR ATTORNEY. HE
IS RIGHT THERE BEHIND YOU. >>YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE BEEN
COMING FOR SOME TIME. >>WE WERE WORKING UNTIL 11-12, LAST NIGHT TO FINISH EVERYTHING.
>>YOU ARE WRITING IT LAST NIGHT? DON’T GIVE ME THAT BOWL.
>>WE WERE MAKING EDITS ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE NIGHT. I AM
SORRY. >>MR. COHEN, IN NOVEMBER 2013,
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP TESTIFIED UNDER OATH IN A LAWSUIT RELATED
TO THE FAILED REAL ESTATE PROJECT TRUMP INTERNATIONAL HOTEL AND TOWER IN FORT
LAUDERDALE. DURING THE DEPOSITION, PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS
ASKED ABOUT HIS KNOWLEDGE OF FELIX FEDER, A RUSSIAN BORN
ESTATE DEVELOPER AND CONVICTED MEMBER OF THE RUSSIAN MAFIA WHO
ACCORDING TO PRESS REPORTS PLED GUILTY TO HIS ROLE IN A STOCK
MANIPULATION SKI. IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT IT IS
WELL-PUBLICIZED THAT DIRECT PLACES IT BETWEEN THE RUSSIAN
MAFIA AND THE CRIMINAL. OF THE YEARS PRESENT TRUMP WAS ASKED
HOW MAY TIMES HE INTERACTED WITH CONVICTED RUSSIAN MOBSTER FELIX
WORK IN 2013 PRESENT TRUMP TESTIFIED THAT NOT MANY. IF YOU
ARE SITTING IN THE ROOM RIGHT NOW I REALLY WOULD NOT KNOW WHAT
HE LOOKS LIKE >>MR. COHEN, AS YOU PREVIOUSLY
TESTIFY, ISN’T IT TRUE THAT PRESENT TRUMP NEW THE CONVICTED
MOBSTER IN 2013 WHEN HE MADE THAT STATEMENT?
>>YES. >>ISN’T IT TRUE THAT BECAUSE OF
HIS RELATIONSHIP TO THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, HE HAD AN OFFICE
IN THE TRUMP TOWER? >>AND ON THE 26th FLOOR.
>>THE 26th FLOOR IS IMPORTANT WHY?
>>BECAUSE IT IS MR. TRUMP’S FLOOR.
>>HE HAD AN OFFICE ON THE SAME FLOOR IS PRESENT TRUMP REX SUCK
HIS OFFICE WHEN HE LEFT, BECAME MY OFFICE.
>>ISN’T IT ALSO TRUE THAT CONVICTED RUSSIAN MOBSTER FELIX
EVEN HAD VISITS CARDS INDICATING THAT HE WAS A SENIOR ADVISOR TO
DONALD TRUMP AS REPORTED BY THE WASHINGTON POST?
>>YES. >>DID THAT CONVICTED RUSSIAN
LOBSTER PAYMENT FOR HIS OFFICE?
>>NO HE DID NOT. >>SO BASED ON THOSE FACTS, IS
IT TRUE THAT MR. TRUMP MISLED AT BEST OR AT WORST LIED UNDER
OATH? >>YES.
>>IN DECEMBER 2015, PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ASKED AGAIN ABOUT HIS
RELATIONSHIP TO CONVICTED RUSSIAN MOBSTER. HE STATED,
FELIX, I HAVE TO EVEN THINK ABOUT IT. HE ADDED, I AM NOT
THAT FAMILIAR WITH HIM. MR. COHEN, WHERE WOULD WE FIND
BUSINESS RECORDS THAT EXPLAINED THE PRESIDENT’S RELATIONSHIP TO
THAT CONVICTED RUSSIAN MOBSTER? WOULD THAT BE IN THE TRUMP
ORGANIZATION’S FILES? >>IT WOULD BE IN THE TRUMP
ORGANIZATION FILES, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN COPIED TO THE MOBSTERS
COMPANY. >>WHEN YOU SAY IN POSSESSION OF
THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, WHERE? >>IT DEPENDS UPON WHO THE ATTORNEY
WAS THAT WAS WORKING ON IT. NOW IT WOULD PROBABLY BE IN A BOX
OFF-SITE. THEY HAVE A STORAGE FACILITY THAT THEY KEEP OLD
FILES IN. >>IN ADDITION TO THIS CONVICTED
RUSSIAN MOBSTER, DO YOU KNOW ANY OTHER TIES TO CONVICTED OR OTHER
MOBSTERS THAT TRUMP MAY BE AWARE OF?
>>I AM NOT AWARE. >>IS IT TRUE THAT MANY PEOPLE
WITH TIES TO MOSCOW BOUGHT PROPERTIES IN TRUMP PROPERTIES,
OFTEN FOR CASH? HOW MANY ARE WE TALKING?
>>I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY. THE STATEMENT YOU ARE REFERRING TO
WAS MADE BY DON. I DON’T AGREE WITH IT.
>>ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY CASH PURCHASES BY RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS
AND MEMBERS OF TRUMP PROPERTIES?>>I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT. WHEN
YOU SAY CASH, AND YOU MEAN WALKING IN WITH A SATCHEL OF
RUBLES, THE ANSWER IS I HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT HAPPEN BUT I
HAVE NEVER HEARD OF IT. I WILL TELL YOU WHEN WE SOLD MR.
TRUMP’S PROPERTY IN PALM BEACH, A HOME FOR $95 MILLION, HE CAME
IN BY WIRE. THAT CAME FROM THE PURCHASER’S BANK ACCOUNT.
>>YOU ALSO TALKED ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP DOING
NEGOTIATION THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN REGARDING THE TRUMP
TOWER IN MOSCOW. WAS HE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THOSE NEGOTIATIONS?
IF SO, HOW DO YOU KNOW? >>THE ANSWER IS YES. AS IT
RELATES TO NEGOTIATIONS, IT WAS MERELY FOLLOW-UPS ASKED TO WHAT
IS CURRENTLY HAPPENING. WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH RUSSIA BEEN
MEANING HE WANTED ME TO GIVE HIM A STATUS REPORT. THE PROBLEM IS
THAT THE PROJECT NEVER ADVANCED BECAUSE THEY WERE UNABLE TO
PROVIDE ME WITH PROOF THAT SOMEBODY OWNED OR CONTROLLED THE
PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY BUILD ON .
>>YOUR TIME IS EXPIRED. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>>WHY DID MR. TRUMP CHOOSE TO HIRE YOU AND WHY DID HE TRUST
YOU WITH THE VARIOUS TASKS THAT YOU PERFORMED FOR HIM?
>>I DON’T KNOW YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASK HIM THAT QUESTION.
>>WE HAVE HEARD HERE THAT YOU HAVE THAT CHARACTER, YOU HAVE
ADMITTED TO THAT OVER THE YEARS. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHY HE CHOSE TO
HIRE YOU? >>IN 2006 I WAS ASKED BY DON
JUNIOR TO COME MEET WITH HIS FATHER. HE THEN FOLLOWED UP BY
ASKING IF I WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT AN ISSUE THAT WAS OCCURRING AT
TRUMP WORLD TOWER WITH THE BOARD . I WENT AHEAD AND I LOOKED INTO
IT AND I FOUND THAT THE STATEMENTS THAT THE BOARD WERE MAKING ABOUT
MR. TRUMP WERE INACCURATE. THE REASON DON CAME TO ME IS BECAUSE
I HAD AN APARTMENT THERE FOR INVESTMENT. MY PARENTS HAD AN
APARTMENT THERE. MY IN-LAWS LIVE THERE. FRIENDS OF MINE, WE ALL
THOUGHT IS A BIG BLOCK FROM A BROKERAGE COMPANY. WE GOT A GOOD
PRICE ON EACH UNIT. WE ULTIMATELY TURNED OVER THE BOARD
AND I BECAME ACTUALLY THE TREASURER OF THE BOARD BECAUSE
THE OUT-OF-CONTROL SPENDING WAS GOING TO PUT THE BUILDING INTO
BANKRUPTCY. I WAS PROUD TO SAY THAT WITHIN A YEAR WE HAD PLUS
MILLION DOLLARS INSTEAD OF MINUS THREE. HE TASKS ME THEN WITH
SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS TO HANDLE A PROBLEM THAT DON JUNIOR
HAD CREATED IN TERMS OF A BUSINESS LICENSE DEAL. WE
RESOLVED THAT. THEN ON TOP OF THAT, IT WAS THE THIRD TIME MR.
TRUMP HAD ASKED ME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE THIRD TRUMP
ENTERTAINMENT RESORT CHAPTER 11 REORGANIZATION BECAUSE HE HAD A
SERIES OF QUESTIONS THAT HE WANTED ANSWERED. I READ THESE
TWO BOOKS, GAVE HIM ANSWERS THAT HE NEEDED AND WITH THAT , THE NEXT TIME I WAS SITTING IN
HIS OFFICE AND HE ASKED ME IF I WAS HAPPY WITH THE SLEEPY OLD
FIRM I WAS WITH AND I SAID YES. HE ASKED IF I WOULD RATHER WORK
FOR HIM AND HE OFFERED ME A JOB. WE NEGOTIATED AND ACTUALLY NEVER
WENT BACK TO MY OFFICE. >>YOU SUGGESTED THAT THE
PRESIDENT SOMETIMES COMMUNICATES HIS WISHES INDIRECTLY. FOR
EXAMPLE, YOU SAID, MR. TRUMP NOT DID NOT DIRECTLY TELL ME TO LIE TO CONGRESS.
THAT’S NOT HOW HE OPERATES. CAN YOU! HOW HE DOES THIS?
>>IT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENCE IF I SAID, THAT IS THE NICEST
LOOKING THAI I HAVE EVER SEEN, ISN’T IT? WHAT, ARE YOU GOING TO
FIGHT WITH HIM? SO YOU SAY YES. THAT’S THE NICEST TIE I’VE EVER SEEN. THAT IS HOW HE
SPEAKS. HE DOESN’T ANY QUESTIONS OR ORDERS. HE SPEAKS IN A CODE.
I UNDERSTAND THE CODE BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN AROUND HIM FOR A
DECADE. >>IT’S YOUR IMPRESSION THAT
OTHERS WHO WORK FOR HIM UNDERSTAND THE CODE AS WELL.
>>MOST PEOPLE, YES. >>I DON’T KNOW WHETHER WE
SHOULD BELIEVE YOU TODAY BUT I WILL ASK YOU THIS ONE LAST
QUESTION. WHAT IS THE TRUTH THAT YOU KNOW PRESIDENT TRUMP FEARS
MOST? >>THAT IS A TOUGH QUESTION, SIR. I
DON’T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT ONE. WHAT DOES HE FEAR MOST?
>>WHAT IS THE TRUTH THAT HE FEARS MOST FROM YOUR
PERSPECTIVE? I DON’T KNOW WHETHER WE SHOULD BELIEVE YOU
HERE TODAY. >>IT IS A TOUGH QUESTION. I
DON’T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
>>LET ME ASK YOU THIS. WHAT PRINCIPLES HAVE YOU CHOSEN TO
FOLLOW IN YOUR LIFE AND DO YOU WISH TO FOLLOW DIFFERENT
PRINCIPLES NOW? >>I HAVE ALWAYS TRIED TO BE A
GOOD PERSON. I HAVE ALWAYS TRIED TO BE A GREAT FRIEND, I HAVE
OVER 40 STATEMENTS WRITTEN IN MY SUPPORT TO THE SENTENCING JUDGE.
I HAVE FRIENDS WHO I TREAT INCREDIBLY WELL THAT I HAVE
KNOWN FOR OVER 40 YEARS. I TREAT PEOPLE AFTER 40 MINUTES THE SAME
EXACT WAY. AND I PERFECT? NO. DO I MAKE
MISTAKES? YES. HAVE MADE MISTAKES? ABSOLUTELY. I WILL PAY
THE CONSEQUENCES FOR IT. BUT ALL I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS BE ABLE TO
GET MY LIFE BACK FOR MY WIFE AND CHILDREN, SUPPORT AND GROW OLD. THAT IS
PRETTY MUCH WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO BE.
>>SO YOU SAY YOU ARE FOLLOWING A DIFFERENT SET OF PRINCIPLES
NOW THAT YOU HAVE THROUGHOUT YOUR LIFE.
>>I DO. I AM TRYING. I AM TRYING VERY HARD. I THINK YOU
FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. THIS MAKES IT REALLY DIFFICULT TO TRY TO
SHOW SOME REDEMPTION. I AM TRYING. I AM TRYING.
>>THANK YOU. >>THANK YOU.
>>MR. HILL. >>THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I
WANT TO MENTION A CLARIFICATION ON THE TRUTH AND TESTIMONY
FORMS. IT WAS MENTIONED WHETHER HE TALKS ABOUT FOREIGN ENTITIES
AT ALL. THE QUESTION IS IN FACT WHETHER WITNESSES HAVE ANY
CONTRACTS OR PAYMENTS ORIGINATING WITH A FOREIGN
GOVERNMENT. IT DOES NOT COVER ALL FOREIGN ENTITIES, JUST
WARRANT GOVERNMENT ENTITIES. SERVICER:WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO
ASK YOU TO DO IS REVIEW THIS ISSUE OVER LUNCH WITH YOUR
ATTORNEYS AND IF YOU NEED TO AMEND YOUR FORM, WE ASK THAT YOU
DO THAT BEFORE THE CONCLUSION OF TODAY’S HEARING. ALSO, I
REPRESENT A PURPLE DISTRICT. I DID NOT COME HERE FOR PERSON
VICTORY. PARTISAN VICTORY. WHEN I ASK QUESTIONS THEY SAY IT IS
NOT AS SOMEONE WHO HAS A VENDETTA AGAINST THE PRESENT. I
COME FROM GENERATIONS OF SERVICEMEMBERS WHO SWEAR AN OATH
AND WHO ALONG WITH MYSELF AND EVERY OTHER PERSON UP HERE WERE
TO SOAR TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED
STATES. MY FOREFATHERS SERVED THEIR COUNTRY. THEY SERVED THEIR
COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF. AND THEY SERVE THE IDEA THAT AMERICA IS
FREE AND JUST AND THE LAW OF THE LAND RULES US ALL, ESPECIALLY
THOSE IN THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF OUR GOVERNMENT. SO I ASK THESE
QUESTIONS TO HELP DETERMINE WHETHER OUR VERY OWN PRESIDENT
COMMITTED FELONY CRIMES WHILE SERVING IN THE OVAL OFFICE
INCLUDING EVERETT TO CONCEAL PAYMENTS THAT WERE
INTENDED TO MISLEAD THE PUBLIC AND INFLUENCE THE OUTCOME OF AN
ELECTION. I HOPE TO GOD THAT IS NOT THE CASE. MR. COHEN, ON
JANUARY 22, 2018, JUST DAYS AFTER THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
BROKE THE STORY THAT MR. COHEN PAID $130,000 TO STEPHANIE
CLIFFORD TO SILENCE HER DURING THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN,
A NONPROFIT WATCHDOG CALLED COMMON CAUSE FILED A COMPLAINT
WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ALLEGING THAT PAYMENT MAY HAVE
REPRESENTED AN ILLEGAL CONTRIBUTION TO THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN I ASKED THAT THEIR COMPLAINT BE ENTERED
INTO THE RECORD. ON FEBRUARY 13, 2010, MR. COHEN, YOU SAID THE
STATEMENT TO REPORTERS THAT SAID, I USED MY OWN PERSONAL
FUNDS TO FACILITATE A PAYMENT OF $130,000 TO STEPHANIE CLIPPARD
AND NEITHER THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION ARE THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN WERE PARTY TO THE TRANSACTION AND EITHER REVERSED
ME DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY. >>THAT STATEMENT IS NOT FOSTER
I PURPOSELY LEFT OUT MR. TRUMP INDIVIDUALLY FROM THAT
STATEMENT. >>WHY DID YOU SAY IT THAT WAY?
>>BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WAS DISCUSSED TO DO BETWEEN MYSELF,
THE TRUMP, AND ALLEN WEISSELBERG .
>>A REPORTER FOR THE MAGAZINE
VANITY FAIR HAS REPORTED THAT SHE INTERVIEWED YOU THE VERY
NEXT DAY ON FEBRUARY 14, 20 TEEN ABOUT THE PAYMENT AND
REIMBURSEMENT. SHE WROTE, LAST EVERY 14 I INTERVIEWED COHEN IN
HIS OFFICE ABOUT THE SAME AND HE GAVE THE SEC IN WHICH HE SAID
TRUMP DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THAT PAYMENT OR REIMBURSED HIM FOR
IT. >>DO YOU RECALL THIS?
>>I DO. >>TRUMP CALLED WHILE I WAS
THERE BUT HE WANTED TO GO OVER WHAT THE PUBLIC MESSAGING WOULD BE. TO THE PRESENT CALL
YOU WHILE YOU ARE HAVING A MEETING WITH THE REPORTER?
>>YES. >>THE PRESENT CALL YOU TO
SUBORDINATE ABOUT THAT PAYMENT TO MISS CLIFFORD?
>>YES. >>WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT ASK OR
SUGGEST THAT YOU SAY ABOUT THE PAYMENT OR REIMBURSEMENT?
>>HE WAS NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE OF THESE REIMBURSEMENTS AND HE WAS NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE OF MY ACTIONS.
>>HE ASKED YOU TO SAY THAT? >>YES MA’AM.
>>IN ADDITION TO THE PERSONAL CHECKS FOR $35,000 IN JULY 2017,
IS THERE ADDITIONAL CORROBORATING EVIDENCE THAT MR.
TRUMP WHILE A SITTING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES CAN’T
DIRECTLY REIMBURSED YOU HUSH MONEY AS PART OF A CRIMINAL
SCHEME TO VIOLATE CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS?
>>THERE WERE 11 CHECKS THAT I RECEIVED FOR THE YEAR. THE
REASON WHY 11 IS AS I STATED BEFORE, ONE HAD TO CHECKS.
>>YOU HAVE COPIES OF ALL OF THEM?
>>I CAN GET COPIES. I WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE BANK.
>>WE WILL BE TO GET COPIES OF ALL 11 CHECKS THAT MR. TRUMP
PROVIDED TO YOU AS PART OF THIS CRIMINAL SCHEME?
>>IT EITHER FROM HIS PERSONAL ACCOUNT AS WAS DEMONSTRATED IN
THE EXHIBIT OR IT WOULD COME FROM THAT DONALD J TRUMP
ACCOUNT, THE TRUST ACCOUNT.>>THANK YOU MR. COHEN. I YIELD
BACK THE REMAINDER OF MY TIME. >>I HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE, I AM
NEW TO TO THE COMMITTEE AND I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY. I WAS LOOKING
THROUGH THIS, YOU COME IN HERE AND YOU MAIL ON THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES, THAT COMMANDER IN CHIEF WHO IS ACROSS
THE CITY OCEAN TO TRY TO NEGOTIATE A DEAL TO MAKE THIS
WORLD SAFER, OUR COUNTRY, YOU CALL HIM A RACIST, A CHEAT , AND HACK HIS CHARACTER. I HAVE
BEEN WITH THE PRESIDENT A LITTLE BIT AND I DID NOT SEE THAT OF THE PRESENT. I SEE A
PRESIDENT WHO IS VERY SINCERE. HE IS TRYING TO MAKE THIS
COUNTRY BETTER FOR EVERY AMERICAN. YOU COME IN HERE AND
DO THAT, IT IS REALLY UNBELIEVABLE. REAL REPENTANCE
WOULD BE DON’T COME BACK HERE AND MAKE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST
SOMEONE. I AM LOOKING AT THE MARKS FROM THE PROSECUTOR OF THE
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. FALLS STATEMENTS TO THE BANK
WHICH COHEN PLEADED GUILTY. THIS IS ONE OF THE SELF SERVING LIES,
EARLIER INTENSE MONEY, I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT IT WAS FOR A
HOME EQUITY LOAN BUT THE PROSECUTORS SAY THERE ARE OTHER
FINANCIAL THINGS THAT YOU DID. THEY ALSO SAID THAT YOU MANAGED
TO COMMIT A SERIES OF CRIMES ALL WITH HOLY IS OUT AS A LICENSE
ATTORNEY, UPSTANDING MEMBER OF THE BAR, ALSO THE SOUTHERN
DISTRICT RESCUED HER AND SAID THAT YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS OF WRONGDOING IS A FLEETING CUT
YOUR MARS IS MINIMAL AND YOUR INSTINCT IS TO BLAME OTHERS IS
STRONG. SO I AM LEFT HERE, WHY CAN’T YOU WORKED FOR THE PRESENT FOR 10 YEARS BEFORE HE WAS
PRESENT. IF YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF INTEGRITY LIKE YOU SAY YOU
HAVE NOW, IT WAS AT THAT, WHY DID YOU LEAVE? YOU WOULD NOT
HAVE STUCK THERE FOR FINANCIAL REASONS. YOU HAVE WAYS TO MAKE
MONEY, YOU ARE AN ATTORNEY. SO THE PRESIDENT IS WORKING
TIRELESS AND YOU COULD’VE LEFT ANYTIME YOU WANT. IT LOOKS LIKE
YOU ARE TRYING TO SAVE FACE. HAD A QUESTION I CANNOT HEAR KIA
LOOKS TO ME THAT YOU WILL HAVE A VERY LUCRATIVE DEAL AT SOME
POINT IN YOUR LIFE AND YOU DON’T LIKE YOU ARE REFUTING THAT. THEY TALK WITH YOU AND YOUR
ATTORNEY AND MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND STAFF AND YOU SAID THERE WAS
SOME DISCUSSION. WERE ANY OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU ARE
OR YOUR ATTORNEY HAD,, WHERE THERE WERE CONSIDERATIONS TO
FAVOR OR FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY IN
THE FUTURE? >>NO. THE CONVERSATIONS WERE
ABOUT THE TOPICS BECAUSE THERE WERE THINGS THAT ORIGINALLY WE
COULD NOT SPEAK ABOUT AT THE REQUEST OF THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S
OFFICE OR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OR OTHER AGENCIES INCLUDING THE
HOUSE SELECT INTEL OR THE SENATE SELECT INTEL. SO JUST FOR YOUR
PERSONAL EDIFICATION, I WAS ASKED TO COME HERE. YOUR
CHAIRMAN SENT A LETTER TO MR. DAVIS AND I ACCEPTED. SO I AM
HERE VOLUNTARILY. >>I UNDERSTAND THAT.
>>AT YOU BELIEVE, IT’S NOT POLITICAL THEATER FOR ME. I TAKE
NO PLEASURE IN SAYING ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT MR. TRUMP. YOU
HAVE MET HIM FOR SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. I HAVE BEEN WITH HIM FOR
OVER A DECADE. I TRAVELED WITH HIM INTERNATIONALLY. I’VE SPENT
DINNERS WITH HIM. IT DOESN’T MAKE ME FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHAT IS GOING
ON HERE. AS FAR AS SAVING FACE, I’M NOT SURE HOW, IN FRONT OF
THE WORLD, BEING CALLED — >>I THINK YOU WILL BE PRETTY GOOD
IN ABOUT 5 YEARS. I YIELD THE REST OF MY TIME TO THE CHAIRMAN.
>>I THINK THE GENTLEMAN FOR YELLING.
>>YOU SAID YOU STARTED THE CAMPAIGN? YOU STARTED THE
CAMPAIGN FOR DONALD TRUMP? >>I DID.
>>THAT IS NEW. >>SHOULD TRUMP RUN, THE WEBSITE
, IT WAS MY IDEA. I THOUGHT I’D DOCUMENT IN A NEWSPAPER AND —
>>SIX PEOPLE TURNED AROUND AND
SAID THEY WOULD VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP SO I PUT IT TO HIS OFFICE
AND HE SAID TO HIM, MR. TRUMP, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. HE SAID,
WOW, WOULDN’T THAT BE GREAT. THAT’S WHERE IT ALL STARTED.
>>I AM SURE HE HAD NEVER THOUGHT OF ANYTHING LIKE THAT
BEFORE YOU TOLD HIM. I HAVE EIGHT SECONDS. WHAT DID YOU TALK
TO MR. SCHIFF ABOUT?>>I SPOKE TO HIM ABOUT TOPICS
THAT WERE GOING TO BE RAISED AT THE UPCOMING HEARING.
>>NOT JUST WHAT TIME TO SHOW UP? WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO TALK
ABOUT? >>YOUR TIME IS EXPIRED.
>>THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU MR. COHEN. I KNOW THE OTHER
SIDE IS SUGGESTING THAT YOU ARE A INCORRIGIBLE LIAR AND YOU’RE
LYING HERE TODAY. I CAN’T THINK OF ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO GAIN AT
THIS POINT FROM LYING. THEY TALK ABOUT BOOK DEALS AND OTHER
THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO DO THAT I SEE A LOT MORE THAT YOU COULD
LOSE BY TELLING THE TRUTH TODAY GIVEN THE THREATS AND OTHER
THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE AGAINST YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. SO
THAT IS HOW I AM INTERPRETING IT. OF COURSE YOU BROUGHT
DOCUMENTS WITH YOU AS WELL TO BOLSTER THE CREDIBILITY OF YOUR
TESTIMONY. I DID WANT TO GO BACK TO AN EARLIER LINE OF
QUESTIONING REGARDING PREPARATION OF YOUR TESTIMONY
BEFORE YOU CAME COPY FOR THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. YOU
TALKED ABOUT A MEETING AT THE WHITE HOUSE WHERE THE TESTIMONY
WAS BEING WITH YOU. I THINK YOU SAID THAT IT WAS AT LEAST ONE
WHITE HOUSE ATTORNEY, JAY SEKULOW WHO WAS THERE AND YOU
ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THERE WERE SOME ADAGES THAT WERE MADE TO
YOUR TESTIMONY. ON THAT TOPIC, WHO AT THE WHITE HOUSE REVIEWED
YOUR TESTIMONY? >>I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO
THAT. THE DOCUMENT WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED BY MYSELF
ALONG WITH MY ATTORNEY AT THE TIME. THERE WAS A TRUMPET DEFENSE
AGREEMENT SO THE DOCUMENT CIRCULATED AROUND. I BELIEVE IT
WAS ALSO REVIEWED BY ABBY WHO REPRESENTS IVANKA AND JARED
KUSHNER. >>WHY DID YOU PROVIDE TESTIMONY
TO THE WHITE HOUSE? >>IT WAS PURSUANT TO THE JOINT
DEFENSE AGREEMENT THAT WE WERE ALL OPERATING UNDER.
>>WHAT WAS ADDED TO THE TESTIMONY?
>>I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT DOCUMENT.
>>DID YOU HAVE A REACTION TO WHY THERE MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN A
SENSE OF PROTEST FOR WHAT MAY HAVE BEEN FALSE TESTIMONY
PROVIDED EXIT >>NO SIR, BECAUSE THE GOAL WAS
TO STAY ON MESSAGE WHICH IS LIMIT THE RELATIONSHIP
WHATSOEVER WITH RUSSIA. IT WAS SHORT. THERE IS NO RUSSIAN CONTEXT OR OCCLUSION. THERE WERE
NO RUSSIAN DEALS. THAT IS A MESSAGE. THAT’S THE SAME MESSAGE
THAT EXISTED WELL BEFORE MY NEED TO COME AND TESTIFY.
>>SO IT’S AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE THIS IDEA, THIS MENTALITY TO TOW
THE LINE, WHATEVER THE STORYLINE OR THE NARRATIVE OF THE DAY OR
THE MONTH OR THE YEAR IS GOING TO BE CAUGHT YOU TELL THAT LINE
WHETHER IT RESULTS IN FALSE TESTIMONY OR NOT.
>>I TOLD THE PARTY LINE. I AM NOW SUFFERING AND I WILL
CONTINUE TO SUFFER ALONG WITH MY FAMILY AS A RESULT OF IT SO YES.
>>LET ME SWITCH GEARS QUICKLY BEFORE MY TIME EXPIRES. YOU MAY
NOT HAVE DIRECT KNOWLEDGE OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ARE
OFFERING US SOME VERY HELPFUL PERSPECTIVE ON HOW THE TRUMP
WORLD OPERATES. FRANKLY ANOTHER REASON I FIND YOUR TESTIMONY
REALLY COMPELLING AND CREDIBLE AND HAS A LOT OF THE THINGS YOU
ARE DESCRIBING, A LOT OF THE BEHAVIOR YOU ARE DESCRIBING IS
VERY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE ALL SEE EVERY SINGLE DAY. SO IT’S
NOT A LEAP FOR US TO ARRIVE AT THE SAME PERSPECTIVE THAT YOU
HAVE PRESENTED. I AM INTERESTED IN SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES AROUND
THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE, THE INAUGURATION OF THE PRESIDENT.
THERE WAS AN ARTICLE THAT APPEARED IN PROPUBLICA, A
WATCHDOG GROUP, ABOUT SOME NEGOTIATION ON PRICING AND
THINGS AT THE TRUMP HOTEL WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE THAT RENTAL THAT
WAS BEING QUOTED WAS SUBSTANTIAL , EVEN DOUBLE WHAT YOU WOULD
EXPECT TO PAY ACCORDING TO WHAT THE MARKET SHOULD BEAR. IN A
SENSE, THE TRUMP HOTEL WAS UP CHARGING FOR THE INAUGURAL.
>>EVEN I COULD NOT AFFORD TO STAY THERE.
>>SO I AM JUST CURIOUS, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHETHER THAT
KIND OF THE PRACTICE IS SOMETHING THAT IS CONSISTENT OR
INCONSISTENT, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THAT TYPE OF CHARGING COULD
BE DONE INSIDE A TRUMP OPERATION?
>>IT DID HAPPEN. WHAT I CAN SAY TO YOU IS I WAS
NOT PART OF THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE. I RAISE A LOT OF
MONEY FOR THE INAUGURATION BUT IS NOT PART OF IT AND THERE WAS
A LOT OF THINGS, ISSUES, SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE READ ABOUT
IN THE PAPER BEING INVESTIGATED AT THE CURRENT MOMENT.
>>THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, I AM SORRY FOR WHAT
YOU’RE FAMILY IS GOING THROUGH. I FEAR FOR HER FAMILY. MAN’S
MOUTH IS HIS DESTRUCTION AND HIS LIPS ARE THE SNARE OF HIS SOUL.
I SEE YOU, MANAGE HAPPEN THAT.
HOWEVER I MUST TELL YOU THAT I HAVE ARRESTED SEVERAL THOUSAND
MEN AND YOU REMIND ME OF MANY OF THEM. WHO HAVE IMMEDIATELY COME
HOME REMORSEFUL AT THE TIME THEY ARE ACTUALLY LOOKED AND WHILE
THEY ARE INCARCERATED THEY ARE QUITE PENITENT BUT THEN RETURNED
TO THEIR FORMER SELVES WHEN THEIR BACK ON THE STREET. I AM
RESPECTFUL TO HER FAMILY AND WHAT THEY’RE GOING THROUGH. THAT
IS MY SENSE OF YOU, GOOD SIR. I WILL GIVE YOU ANOTHER
OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND WHAT YOU BRUSHED OFF EARLIER REGARDING
YOUR OWN STATEMENT DURING THE TESTIMONY FROM C-SPAN MUTATION
THAT TWO HOURS 50 SECONDS IN, YOU STATED IN REGARDING YOUR
CREDIBILITY THAT YOU’RE BEING ACCUSED OF HAVING NO CREDIBILITY
THAT IT IS EXACTLY FOR THAT REASON I SPENT THE LAST WEEK
SEARCHING BOXES TO FIND THE INFORMATION THAT I DID SO THAT
YOU DON’T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT
THE DOCUMENTS TO MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS. THE DOCUMENTS YOU ARE
REFERRING TO MR. COHEN, ARE THE DOCUMENTS YOU SUBMITTED WITH
YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY, IS THAT CORRECT?
>>THAT IS CORRECT. YOU BELIEVE THOSE DOCUMENTS WE
WORTHY OF EVIDENCE FOR THIS OVERSIGHT HEARING TODAY?
>>I LEAVE THAT TO YOU TO DECIDE.
>>PLEASE DO NOT BE INCREDULOUS THAT THIS IS A SERIOUS QUESTION.
WHERE ARE THOSE BOXES THAT CONTAIN DOCUMENTS WORTHY OF
EVIDENCE TO BE RESENTED TO CONGRESS AND WHY HAVE THEY NOT
BEEN TURNED OVER TO INVESTIGATIVE AUTHORITIES
LOOKING INTO SOME OF THE MANY CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES THAT YOU ARE
ARE ALLEGEDLY COOPERATING IN? WHERE ARE THESE BOXES? WHERE IS
THIS TREASURE OF EVIDENCE? >>THE BOXES I AM REFERRING TO
ARE BOXES THAT WERE IN MY LAW OFFICE WHEN THE FBI ENTERED AND
SEIZED DOCUMENTS. >>MR. CHAIRMAN, INVESTIGATIVE AUTHORITIES HAVE
NOTED WHAT THE GENTLEMAN GESTATED AND THE ACTIONS BE
TAKEN FOR THIS BOXES TO BE SEIZED AND REVIEWED BASED ON
PROPER WARRANTS SIGNED BY A SITTING JUDGE. YOU NOTED EARLIER
TODAY MR. COHEN, QUIET INCREDULOUSLY TO ONE OF MY
COLLEAGUES WHO ASKED YOU REGARDING A TELEVISION DEAL. YOU
EXPRESSED WONDERMENT THAT YOUR PREDICAMENT COULD POSSIBLY GET
YOU ON TELEVISION. IT CERTAINLY GOT YOU ON TELEVISION TODAY, HAS
IT NOT? >>SIR, I WAS ON TELEVISION
PRESENTING MR. TRUMP GOING BACK TO 2011.
>>I DID KNOW WHO YOU WERE UNTIL TODAY REALLY. UNTIL THE FBI
RAIDED YOUR HOME. MOST OF AMERICA DID NOT KNOW WHO YOU
WERE. HOW MANY ATTORNEYS DO YOU THINK MR. TRUMP HAS HAD THROUGH
THE COURSE OF HIS CAREER? >>QUITE A FEW I WOULD IMAGINE.
>>YOU’RE JUST THE ONE IN THE TRAP RIGHT NOW. YOU’RE JUST
TRYING TO GET OUT OF IT. YOU ARE IN A BIND. BUT I ASK YOU GOOD
SIR, HAVE YOU DISCUSSED FILM AND BOOK DEALS WITH YOUR STATED
CURRENT ATTORNEY MR. LANNY DAVIS ?
>>WITH MR. DAVIS? NO. BUT I HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY MANY
PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING TO DO DEALS, VIDEOS, AND SO ON.
>>IT LEAVES ME BACK TO MY INSTINCT THAT COMPARES YOU TO
MANY OF THE MEN I HAVE ARRESTED DURING THE COURSE OF MY CAREER.
MR. CHAIRMAN, OUR PRIMARY HEARING TO INTRODUCE
THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE THE HUNDRED AND 16th CONGRESS TO THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE HAS MANIFESTED IN THE WAY THAT IT OBVIOUSLY IS.
THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO INJURE OUR PRESIDENT, LAY SOME SORT OF SOFT
CORNERSTONE FOR FUTURE IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS, THIS IS
THE FULL INTENT OF THE MAJORITY. I YELLED MY REMAINING 30 SECONDS TO THE RANKING MEMBER.
>>EARLIER YOU SAID THE UNITED STATES SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW
YORK IS NOT ACCURATE IN THAT STATEMENT. EARLIER YOU SAID THE
UNITED STATES SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK ATTORNEY’S OFFICE,
THAT STATEMENT IS NOT ACCURATE. YOU STAND BY THAT?
>>YES I DO NOT WANT A ROLE IN THE NEW ADMINISTRATION.
>>KENNY FINISH PLEASE? I GOT EXACTLY THE ROLE THAT I WANT TO.
THERE IS NO SHAME IN BEING PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO THE
PRESIDENT. I GOT EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED. I ASKED MR. TRUMP FOR
THAT JOB AND HE GAVE IT TO BE. >>ALL I AM ASKING , YOU ARE SAYING THAT STATEMENT
FROM THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK ATTORNEY IS WRONG.
>>I DID NOT WRITE IT AND IT IS NOT ACCURATE.
>>THANK YOU. ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT EVENTS IN THE LAST
PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN OF COURSE WAS THE DUMP OF EMAILS STOLEN
FROM THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE. DUMPED BY WIKILEAKS.
JACONA CUT DURING YOUR OPENING STATEMENT, WHICH IS AT THE
HEIGHT OF THE ELECTION YOU TESTIFIED THAT YOU WERE MEETING
WITH DONALD TRUMP IN JULY 2016 WHEN ROGER STONE HAPPENED TO
CALL . HE TOLD MR. TRUMP THAT HE HAD
JUST SPOKEN TO JULIAN ASSANGE. IS THAT CORRECT?
>>YES. >>YOU SAID THAT 27 TOLD MR.
TRUMP ABOUT AN UPCOMING MASSIVE DUMP OF EMAILS THAT WOULD DAMAGE
HILLARY CLINTON’S CAMPAIGN. I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT ROGER
STONE’S PHONE CALL TO THE PRESENT. WITH THAT ON
SPEAKERPHONE? >>. YES HE HAS A BLACK
SPEAKERPHONE THAT SITS ON HIS DESK. HE USES IT QUITE OFTEN
BECAUSE WITH ALL OF THE NUMBER OF PHONE CALLS HE GETS.
>>IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, 2019, THE NEW YORK TIMES ASKED
PRESIDENT TRUMP IF HE EVER SPOKE TO ROGER STONE ABOUT THE STOLEN
EMAILS AND PRESIDENT TRUMP ANSWERED AND I QUOTE, NO I DID
NOT. I NEVER DID. WAS THAT STATEMENT BY PRESIDENT
TRUMP TRUE? >>KNOW IT IS NOT ACCURATE.
>>CAN YOU PLEASE DESCRIBE FOR US TO THE BEST OF YOUR
RECOLLECTION, WHAT MR. STONE SAID TO MR. TRUMP?
>>IT WAS A SHORT CONVERSATION. HE SAID MR. TRUMP, I JUST WANT
TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH 27 AND IN A
COUPLE DAYS THERE’LL BE A MASSIVE DUMP OF EMAILS. THAT IS
GOING TO SEVERELY HURT THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN.
>>WAS MR. TRUMP AND MR. STONE AWARE OF WHERE THOSE EMAILS CAME
FROM? >>THAT I AM NOT AWARE OF.
>>DID MR. TRUMP EVER SUGGESTED THEN OR LATER TO CALL THE FBI TO REPORT THIS BREECH?
>>HE NEVER EXPRESSED THAT TO ME.
>>DID THE PRESIDENT AT THAT TIME OR EVER SINCE IN YOUR
KNOWLEDGE, INDICATE AN AWARENESS THAT THIS CONDUCT WAS WRONG?
>>NO. >>THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE IN
JULY 22nd, ON THE EVE OF THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION, JULIAN
ASSANGE LEAKED INTERNAL DID THE EMAILS. COULD YOU MEETING WITH
MR. TRUMP HAVE BEEN BEFORE THAT DATE?
>>YES.>>SO MR. TRUMP WAS AWARE OF THE
UPCOMING DUMP BEFORE IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED?
>>YES. WELL I DON’T KNOW IF HE KNEW OR
NOT AND I DON’T BELIEVE HE DID, HE DID NOT KNOW THE SUBSTANCE OF
WHAT THE DUMP WOULD BE BUT ONLY THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A
DUMP. >>ARE THERE ANY RECORDS THAT
WOULD CORROBORATE THE DATE OF THIS MEETING, CALENDARS PERHAPS?
>>I AM NOT IN POSSESSION BUT I BELIEVE THIS IS PART OF THE
SPECIAL COUNSEL. IT’S PROBABLY BEST SUITED TO CORROBORATE THAT INFORMATION.
>>WAS ANYBODY ELSE PRESENT IN THE ROOM DURING THE CALL?
>>I DON’T RECALL. >>’S OR ANYBODY ELSE THE
COMMITTEE SHOULD TALK TO ABOUT THE PRESENT KNOWLEDGE OF THE
WIKILEAKS EMAIL DUMP? >>A SECRETARY SAID ROGER IS ONLINE
AND THAT IS HIS ASSISTANT. >>DURING A NEWS CONFERENCE ON
JULY 27 2016, THEN CANDIDATE TRUMP PUBLICLY APPEALED TO
RUSSIA TO HACK HILLARY CLINTON’S EMAILS AND MAKE THEM PUBLIC. HE
STATED, RUSSIA, IF YOU’RE LISTENING, I HOPE YOU’RE ABLE TO
FIND THE DIRTY THOUSAND EMAILS THAT ARE MISSING. GOING BACK TO
MR. STONES PHONE CALL TO THE PRESIDENT, YOU RECALL IT MR.
TRUMP HAD KNOWLEDGE OF THE WIKILEAKS DUMP AT THE TIME OF
HIS DIRECT APPEAL TO RUSSIA? >>I AM NOT.
>>BUT THE CALL WITH ESTHER STONE YOU BELIEVE WAS BEFORE?
>>YES. I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT SET OF
DOCUMENTS THAT DUMPS. I WAS IN MR. TRUMP’S OFFICE JULY 18 OR
19th AND YES, HE WENT AHEAD I DON’T KNOW IF THAT 35,000 OR THE
30,000 EMAILS HE WAS REFERRING TO BUT HE CERTAINLY HAD
KNOWLEDGE. >>ONE THAT’S QUESTION. MR.
RASKIN HAS BEEN ASKING YOU SOME QUESTIONS AND ONE OF THE THINGS
IN YOUR ANSWER WAS THAT MR. PACKER EXTENDED OTHER MONIES TO
PROTECT MR. TRUMP. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON
WHAT SOME OF THOSE OTHER ACTIVITIES WERE?
>>SURE. THERE WAS A STORY ABOUT MR. TRUMP HAVING A LOVE CHILD
WITH AN EMPLOYEE AND ACTUALLY THE HUSBAND OF THAT EMPLOYEE
WORKS FOR THE COMPANY AS WELL. THERE WAS A ELEVATOR OPERATOR
WHO CLAIMS THAT HE OVERHEARD THE CONVERSATION TAKING PLACE
BETWEEN ONE OF TRUMP’S OTHER EXECUTIVES AND SOMEBODY AND HE
ENDED UP PAYING $15,000 IN ORDER TO BUY THAT STORY TO FIND OUT
WHETHER IT WAS TRUE OR NOT. THAT IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF THINGS
THAT DAVID HAD DONE. THE REASON WHY IN THE RECORDING , WHEN DAVID WAS LOOKING TO
BECOME THE CEO OF TIME MAGAZINE, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT TREASURE TROVE OF DOCUMENTS
THAT HAD BEEN CREATED OVER THE YEARS THAT IF HE LEFT, SOMEBODY COULD OPEN UP A KEY TO
A DRAWER AND FIND ALL OF THIS INFORMATION. SO WE WERE GOING TO
LOOK TO BUY ALL OF THOSE LIFE RIGHTS AND SO ON.
>>THANK YOU FOR TESTIFYING. I JOIN CONGRESS HIGGINS IN PRAYING
FOR YOUR FAMILY THAT HAVE NO PART IN THIS. I HAVE HEARD ALL
OF THE TESTIMONY AND I AM TRYING TO DECIDE, ARE YOU REALLY SORRY
FOR WHAT YOU DID OR YOU JUST GOT CAUGHT? THE THING THAT AMAZED ME
IS THAT IN YOUR OPENING STATEMENT, WHICH LET ME QUOTE,
LAST TIME I PLED GUILTY FOR THE BENEFIT OF AND AT THE DIRECTION
OF AND IN COORDINATION WITH INDIVIDUAL ONE. WAS AT THE
PRESIDENT? >>YES.>>YOUR CRIMES WERE OF YOUR OWN
TO BENEFIT YOURSELF. >>SOME OF THEM, YES.
>>THROUGH ALL THE ONES WITH THE REAL ESTATE, WITH THE BANKS.
YOUR LOAN, YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE NEARLY $30 MILLION IN
DEBT. YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE $70,000 MONTHLY PAYMENTS. ON
YOUR $14 MILLION LINE OF CREDIT. YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE THAT YOU
HAD DRAWN ON THAT. SAID THIS WAS ALL FOR YOURSELF. THIS IS NOT
FOR THE BENEFIT OF PRESIDENT TRUMP. THIS WAS TO BENEFIT
MICHAEL COHEN. SO THAT IS MY QUESTION, DID YOU JUST GET
CAUGHT? YOU WORKED FOR THIS MAN FOR 10 YEARS, MR. COHEN. YOU
CAME IN HERE WITH THESE, HE IS A CON MAN, CHEAT. THIS IS THE VERY
MAN THAT DID YOUR WIRETAPPING CARD DID YOU NOT WIRETAP PRESENT
TRUMP WITHOUT HIS KNOWLEDGE?
>>I DID RECORD PRESIDENT TRUMP. YES.
>>IF THAT LAWYER CLIENT PRIVILEGE? IS THAT SOMETHING
THAT AN HONEST LAWYER WOULD DO? >>I NEVER THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS
GOING TO BE HAPPENING AND THAT RECORDING EVEN EXISTED, I HAD
FORGOTTEN. >>WHAT YOU DID IT.
>>YES I DID. >>I HAD A REASON FOR DOING IT.
I KNEW HE WAS NOT GOING TO PAY THAT MONEY AND DAVID PACKER HAD
ALREADY CHEWED ME OUT ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS REGARDING
OTHER MONIES THAT HE EXPENDED .
>>BUT THIS WAS A MAN THAT YOU TRUSTED, YOU TAKE A BULLET FOR.
YOU SECRETLY RECORDED. LET ME ASK YOU THIS, HAVE YOU LEGALLY
OR ILLEGALLY RECORDED OTHER CLIENTS?>>I HAVE RECORDINGS OF PEOPLE,
YES. >>LEGALLY OR ILLEGALLY?
>>I BELIEVE THEY ARE LEGAL. >>DID YOU TELL THEM?
>>IN NEW YORK STATE YOU DON’T HAVE TO DO THAT.
>>SO YOU DID NOT TELL THEM. >>SOMETIMES I ALSO USED THE
RECORDINGS FOR NOTETAKING AND I FIND IT EASIER.
>>IF IT WERE REVERSED WOULD YOU WANT YOUR TRUSTED LAWYER
RECORDING YOU? >>I PROBABLY WOULD NOT CONDO.
>>THAT IS SOMETHING PEOPLE JUST WOULD NOT DO. NOW YOUR BANK
LOANS THAT I JUST RAN DOWN, DID YOU HAPPEN TO DEFAULT ON ANY OF
THOSE LOANS? >>NO SIR.
>>SO THE BANK DID NOT TAKE ANY LOSS?
>>NO BANK, I AM NOT IN DEFAULT. I HAVE NEVER FILED AND CUPS HE.
THE HELOC YOU ARE REFERRING TO, I REPLACED THAT A DIFFERENT
HELOC AND PAID IT OFF. I OWED NO THANKS ANY MONEY.
>>HOW ABOUT DRIVING INTOXICATED ?
>>THE ONES IN CHICAGO, I.E. YOU HAVE TO SELL. IN NEW YORK, THE ANSWER IS NO I
DON’T. THE INDUSTRY IS GOING THROUGH A MAJOR CORRECTION
BECAUSE OF RIDE SHARING . IT CHANGED A LOT OF THINGS.
>>THE VALUE OF IT HAS. >>SO NO BANK, WITH THE BONE
WITH THE BANK MAKE YOU A LOAN AGAIN?
>>THE BANK ACTUALLY DID AND REFINANCED THE ENTIRE PACKAGE.
>>SO YOU NEVER HAD TO DO A LOAN-LOSS RESERVE?
>>I DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY DID. I DID NOT GET THE BENEFIT OF IT.
>>MOST LIKELY THEY DID. >>THEY MAY HAVE DONE THAT SIR
BUT THAT IS FOR THEIR OWN THINKING AND NOT FOR ME.
>>IF THEY SUSPECT YOU UNDERLYING WHICH YOU ADMITTED
TO, THEY SUSPECT YOU MAYBE NOT BEING ABLE TO MAKE A LOAN
PAYMENT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A LOAN LOSS RESERVE OF 25% OF , IF IT’S $20 MILLION TO HAVE TO
POST IN THEIR ACCOUNT $20 MILLION PLUS. YOU KNOW WHO PAYS
THAT? THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TO PAY SO THAT BIG.
>>I AM NOT IN DEFAULT AND I AM CURRENT ON EVERY ONE OF THOSE
LOANS. I HAVE NEVER OWED ANY MONEY TO FIRST REPUBLIC BANK. IN
FACT, AT THE TIME THAT I HAD THE HELOC I HAD MORE CASH SITTING IN
THAT SAME BANK THAN THE HELOC LOAN AND MY MORTGAGE COMBINED.
>>I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO PRAGUE. I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO THE CZECH
REPUBLIC. >>I YELLED THE BALANCE OF MY
TIME. >>THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND
THANK YOU MR. COHEN. ON PAGE 5 OF YOUR STATEMENT YOU SAY AND I
QUOTE, YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT MR. TRUMP PERSONAL LAWYERS REVIEWED
AND EDITED MY STATEMENT TO CONGRESS ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE
MOSCOW TOWER NEGOTIATIONS. WHO WERE THOSE ATTORNEYS?
>>CHASE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, —
>>DO YOU HAVE COPY OF THE ORIGINAL STATEMENT YOU COULD
GIVE TO THE COMMITTEE? THE LETTER OF INTENT FOR THE MOSCOW
TOWER WAS IN THE FALL OF 2015, CORRECT?
>>CORRECT. >>WAS THERE AN EXPIRATION DATE
ON THAT LETTER OF INTENT? >>NO.
>>SO IT TECHNICALLY COULD STILL BE IN EFFECT TODAY.
>>KNOW IT HAS BEEN TERMINATED. >>DID MR. TRUMP TELL YOU TO
OFFER VLADIMIR PUTIN A FREE PENTHOUSE?
>>NO, MAN. THAT WAS A MARKETING STUNT THAT FELIX SPOKE ABOUT.
>>YOU CAN CERTAINLY DRIVE UP THE
PRICE OF SQUARE FOOT. NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY CONDO WHERE
A-LIST CELEBRITIES WOULD PROFIT.
>>IN 2016 DID YOU TRAVEL TO EUROPE?
>>YES. >>DID YOU MEET WITH PERSONS
ASSOCIATED WITH THE MOSCOW TOWER PROJECT?
>>NO. >>IT WAS FOR PERSONAL? SUCK MY
DAUGHTER WAS STUDYING IN LONDON.>>SO YOU DID NOT MEET WITH ANY
RUSSIANS? >>NO.
>>THERE IS AN ELEVATOR TAPE THAT HAS BEEN REFERENCED AS A
CATCH AND KILL PRODUCT. IT WAS EVIDENTLY OF MR. TRUMP AND A
WOMAN PRESUMABLY MISSES TRUMP, IS THAT CORRECT?
>>ARE WE TALKING ABOUT MOSCOW OR THE TRUMP TOWER ELEVATOR
TAPE? >>THERE IS AN ELEVATOR TAPE
THAT WENT UP FOR AUCTION IN 2016 .
>>I HAVE HEARD ABOUT THIS. >>WHO IS ON THAT TAPE?
>>IT IS PRESENT TRUMP WITH MILAN YOU?
>>THE STORY GOES THAT SHE STRUCK MILLENNIA WHILE IN THAT
ELEVATOR BECAUSE THERE IS A CAMERA INSIDE WHICH I’M NOT SO
SURE , ACTUALLY I AM CERTAIN IT’S NOT
TRUE. I HAVE HEARD ABOUT THAT TAPE 4 YEARS. I HAVE KNOWN FOR 5
PEOPLE INCLUDING PEOPLE FROM AMI WHO —
>>THERE WERE WAS ONE TAPE THAT WAS UP FOR AUCTION —
>>I DON’T BELIEVE THAT TRUMP EVER STRUCK MILAN EVER.
>>ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYBODY HAVING THAT TAPE? YOU NEVER SAW
THIS TAPE? >>I KNOW PEOPLE WHO TRY TO GO
PURCHASE IT WHO WERE FOR A CATCH AND KILL PURPOSE BUT PRESENT
TRUMP IN MY OPINION, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING HE WOULD
EVER DO. >>IS THERE A LOVE CHILD?
>>THERE’S NOT TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE.
>>SO YOU WOULD PAY OFF SOMEONE —
>>IT WAS AMI. IT WAS DAVID PACKER.
>>SO HE PAID SOMEONE OFF FOR A LOVE CHILD THAT WAS NEVER
EXISTING. >>YES.
>>HOW MANY TIMES DID MR. TRUMP ASK
YOU TO THREATEN AN INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY ON HIS BEHALF?
>>QUITE A FEW TIMES. >>50 TIMES?
>>MORE. >>500 TIMES?
>>PROBABLY OVER THE 10 YEARS. >>OVER THE 10 YEARS —
>>I AM TALKING ABOUT MITIGATION OR AND AND ARGUMENT, A NASTY
REPORTER THAT IS WRITING AN ARTICLE.
>>WHAT DO YOU NO, LET’S GO TO YOUR TAPE. YOU SAID THERE’S
PROBABLY 100 TAPES. >>VOICE RECORDINGS.
>>WE MAKE THEM AVAILABLE TO THE COMMITTEE?
>>IF YOU WOULD REALLY LIKE THEM.
>>DID MR. TRUMP — >>DID MR. TRUMP TAPE ANY
CONVERSATIONS? >>NO.
>>WERE YOU INVOLVED IN THE DEAL WITH TRUMP UNIVERSITY?
>>I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. I WAS INVOLVED IN A DIFFERENT
ASPECT. >>THERE IS REFERENCE TO A
BUSINESSMAN IN KANSAS BEING INVOLVED THAT.
>>I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT. >>WITH MY 13 SECONDS LEFT, WHAT
DO YOU WANT YOUR CHILDREN TO KNOW?
>>THAT I AM SORRY FOR HAVING. I AM SORRY FOR THE PAIN I HAVE
CAUSED THEM. AND I WISH I COULD GO BACK IN TIME.
>>THANK YOU I YELLED BACK.>>SO YOU CAN PROPERLY PLAN,
THERE WAS A BOAT APPARENTLY COMING UP IN ABOUT 10-20 MINUTES
. WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE WILL RECESS AND WE WILL COME BACK,
LISTEN UP. 30 MINUTES AFTER THE LAST VOTE BEGINS. NOT WHEN IT
ENDS, 30 MINUTES AFTER IT BEGINS. WE WILL DO THAT
PROMPTLY. OKAY, MS. MILLER. >>I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED TO HAVE
YOU CONFRONTED THIS COMMITTEE TODAY. QUITE FRANKLY , THIS IS NOT THE REASON THE
PEOPLE OF WEST VIRGINIA SENT ME TO CONGRESS. I FIND THIS HEARING
NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THIS IS ANOTHER
POLITICAL GAME WITH THE SOLE PURPOSE OF DISCREDITING THE
PRESIDENT. IF IT’S NOT ALREADY OBVIOUS THEIR MEMBERS HERE WITH
THE SINGULAR GOAL IN CONGRESS TO IMPEACH PRESIDENT TRUMP. TO
ACHIEVE THIS GOAL, THEY WILL WASTE NOT ONLY PRECIOUS TAXPAYER
DOLLARS, BUT ALSO TIME IN THIS COMMITTEE AND CONGRESS AS A
WHOLE. IN FACT, THEY WILL GO SO FAR AS TO RING A CONVICTED FELON
IN FRONT OF OUR COMMITTEE. WE ARE SUPPOSED TO TAKE WHAT YOU
SAY MR. COHEN AND THIS TIME, ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP, AS THE
TRUTH. BUT YOU ARE ABOUT TO GO TO PRISON FOR LYING. HOW CAN WE
BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU SAY? THE ANSWER IS, WE CAN’T. THIS BEGS
THE QUESTION, WHY ARE THOSE IN THE MAJORITY HOLDING THIS
HEARING? I AM APPALLED . WE COULD BE FOCUSED ON ACTUAL
ISSUES THAT ARE FACING AMERICA LIKE BORDER SECURITY, NEONATAL
ACCIDENT SYNDROME AND IMPROVING THE NATION’S CRUMBLING
INFRASTRUCTURE. INSTEAD THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO GRASP AT
STRAWS. LET’S TALK ABOUT THIS WITNESS. FROM HIS SENTENCING
HEARING IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, THE JUDGE STATED,
MR. COHEN PLED GUILTY TO A VERITABLE SPORT OF EXCELLENT
CONDUCT. WILLFUL ACTIVATIONS, MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS OF
FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS, AND
MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS TO CONGRESS. EACH OF THE CRIMES
INVOLVED DECEPTION, AND EACH APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN MOTIVATED
BY PERSONAL GREED AND AMBITION. THIS IS WHO WE HAVE IN FRONT OF
US TODAY IN OUR COMMITTEE. SOMEONE WHO IS ABOUT TO BE SENT
TO PRISON FOR 3 YEARS FOR EVADING HIS TAXES, DEFEATING A
FINANCIAL INSTITUTION, LYING TO CONGRESS AMONG OTHER ACCOUNTS.
ONE OF THE MOST APPALLING FACT ABOUT THIS HEARING IS THAT MR.
COHEN HAS USED HIS EXPERIENCES WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP BOTH BEFORE
AND AFTER HE WAS ELECTED FOR HIS OWN GREED AND PROFIT. I WOULD
LIKE SOME YES OR NO ANSWERS. ISN’T IT TRUE YOU TRY TO SELL A
BOOK ABOUT YOUR TIME WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP ENTITLED, TRUMP
REVOLUTION FROM THE TOWER TO THE WHITE HOUSE, UNDERSTANDING
DONALD TRUMP? >>YES, THAT HAPPENED EARLY ON
WHEN I WAS STILL PART OF THE RNC.
>>THIS BOOK DEAL WHICH YOU HAD WITH HATCHET BOOKS WAS WORTH
AROUND $500,000, ISN’T THAT CORRECT?
>>NO, MORE MA’AM. >>IT WAS ABOUT 750. I DID TURN
IT DOWN. BUT GIVEN THAT YOU CONTINUE TO PROFIT FROM PUBLICLY
DISCUSSING YOUR TIME WITH MR. TRUMP, I WORRY THAT THIS
COMMITTEE HEARING, THE MAJORITY HAS YOU, WILL ONLY SERVE AS A
PLATFORM FOR YOU TO CONTINUE TO LIE AND SENSATIONALIZE AND
EXAGGERATE WHEREVER IT SUITS YOU . DO YOU PLAN TO PURSUE ANOTHER
BOOK DEAL ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCES?
>>YES. >>I WOULD PRESUME THIS BOOK
WOULD BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN YOUR LATEST PITCH? BUT YOUR NEW
ANGLE MIGHT PLEASE SOME NEW FANS ANYTHING TO SELL A BOOK. MR.
CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE CANCELED HEARINGS ON CHILD SEPARATIONS
AND ON OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE CLOSE TO MY HEART FOR THIS MEDIA
CIRCUS . WHAT A WASTE OF TIME AND
MONEY! FOR A MAN WHO HAS GLADLY EXPLOITED THE NAME OF THE
PRESIDENT TO PROMOTE HIS OWN NAME AND FILL HIS OWN POCKETS.
IT PAINS ME THAT WE ARE SITTING HERE ADDING ANOTHER CHAPTER TO
HIS BOOK. THANK YOU AND I YIELD THE REMAINING OF MY TIME TO MR.
JORDAN. >>THANK YOU FOR YELLOW. EARLIER
MR. COHEN, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS TAPE. EARLIER WE TALKED ABOUT
THIS ELEVATOR TAPE THAT YOU SAID DOES NOT EXIST.
>>I DO NOT BELIEVE IT EXISTS. >>HE IT’S ALSO YOUR TESTIFIED
THAT THE TRUMP TEAM WAS WILLING TO PAY TO MAKE SURE A STORY
ABOUT A NONEXISTENT TAPE NEVER BECAME PUBLIC.>>NO SIR, THAT’S NOT WHAT I
SAID. >>THEY WERE WILLING TO STOP A
FALSE TAPE? >>WE LEARNED THAT THIS TAPE WAS
POTENTIALLY ON THE MARKET AND THAT IT EXISTED. SO WHAT WE DID
IS EXACTLY WHAT WE DID WITH ALL THE OTHER CATCH AND KILL. WE
LOOKED FOR IT. AND IF IN FACT IT DID EXIST WE WOULD HAVE TRIED TO
STOP IT. THAT’S WHAT I WOULD HAVE DONE. I NEVER HEARD IT AND
I WILL ENSURE YOU ONE THING ABOUT MR. TRUMP, HE WOULD NEVER
EVER DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >>THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. MR.
COHEN, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE $130,000
PAYMENT YOU MAY TO STEPHANIE CLIFFORD. THE ADULT FILM ACTRESS
KNOWN AS STORMY DANIELS. FIRST, ACCORDING TO DOCUMENTS FILED BY
FEDERAL PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK, YOU CREATED A COMPANY CALLED
ESSENTIAL CONSULTANTS LLC, IS THAT
CORRECT? >>YES.
>>YOU CREATED THIS COMMITTEE FOR THE PURPOSE OF MAKING THE
PAYMENT TO MS. CLIFFORD, IS THAT CORRECT?
>>AMONG OTHER THINGS, I GUESS. >>YOU DID USE A HOME-EQUITY
LINE OF CREDIT TO START IT, CORRECT?
>>THAT IS CORRECT. >>THAT YOU WIRED MONEY TO THE
ATTORNEY REPRESENTING MS. CLIFFORD AT THAT TIME. IS THAT
CORRECT? >>YES.
>>CAN YOU TELL US WHY YOU DECIDED TO USE THIS, PROCESS TO
MAKE THIS PAYMENT? >>STARTING AN LLC IS NOT A
SOPHISTICATED MEANS. YOU CAN CULTIC COMPANY CAN’T PAY FOR IT,
AND THE OPEN IT FOR YOU. THE REASON THAT I USED THE
HOME-EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT AS OPPOSED TO CASH THAT I HAD IN
THE SAME EXACT BANK IS I DIDN’T WANT MY WIFE TO KNOW THAT IT
BECAUSE SHE HANDLES ALL OF THE BANKING AND I DIDN’T WANT HER
COMING TO ME AND ASKING ME WHAT WAS THE HUNDRED $30,000 FOR.
THEN I WAS GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE MONEY FROM ONE ACCOUNT TO
THE OTHER AND PAY IT OFF AND I DIDN’T WANT TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN
TO HER WHAT THAT PAYMENT WAS ABOUT. I SENT IT TO THE IOLA
ACCOUNT, THE LAWYERS ACCOUNT TO KEEP IT IN CALIFORNIA. HE WOULD
HOLD IN ESCROW UNTIL SUCH TIME AS I RECEIVED THE EXECUTED MBA,
NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT. >>GIVE MR. TRUMP KNOW YOU’RE GOING
THROUGH THIS PROCESS? >>YES.
>>WHY NOT JUST USE MR. TRUMP’S PERSONAL ACCOUNT TO MAKE THE
PAYMENT? WHY WAS THE DESTRUCTION SO IMPORTANT?
>>HIS CONCERN WOULD BE THERE WOULD BE A CHECK THAT WOULD HAVE
HIS VERY DISTINCT SIGNATURE AND EVEN AFTER SHE CASHED THE CHECK
IT WOULD BE PROOF POSITIVE ON EXACTLY WHAT TOOK PLACE. SO HERE
THE GOAL WAS TO KEEP HIM FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE.
>>CAN ANYONE CORROBORATE WHAT YOU HAVE SHARED?
>>ABSOLUTELY. CHIEF DAVIDSON, ALLEN WEISSELBERG, PRESIDENT
TRUMP. >>LET’S TALK ABOUT THE
REIMBURSEMENT. ACCORDING TO FEDERAL PROSECUTORS, AFTER THE
ELECTION COHEN SOUGHT A SPIN FOR ELECTION RELATED EXPENSES
INCLUDING THE $130,000 PAYMENT. PROSECUTORS STATED YOU PRESENTED
AN EXECUTIVE OF THE COMPANY WITH A COPY OF A BANK STATEMENT
REFLECTING $130,000 WIRE TRANSFER. IS THAT ACCURATE?
>>YES. >>IS A COPY OF THE BANK
STATEMENT? >>IT IS MADE PART OF THE
EXHIBIT. >>SO YOU’LL PROVIDE IT?
>>ACCORDING TO FEDERAL PROSECUTORS, EXECUTIVES AT THE
COMPANY AGREED TO REIMBURSE:BY ADDING $130,000 FOR TAX PURPOSES AND ADDING A
$60,000 BONUS SUCH THAT COHEN WOULD BE PAID $420,000 IN TOTAL.
EXECUTIVES OF THE COMPANY DECIDED TO PAY IT IN
INSTALLMENTS OF $35,000 OVER THE COURSE OF YEAR. THAT IS DOUBLING
WHAT YOU PAID TO MS. CLIFFORD.>>IN ORDER TO GET YOUR 130,000
BACK THAT FROM ONE BANK AND YOU ARE
REDUCING YOUR NET INCOME TO ANOTHER BANK. THESE ARE THINGS
THAT WERE CONSTANTLY INVOLVED. MY QUESTION IS, WAS IT EXIST
EXHAUSTING KEEPING TRACK OF ALL OF THE LIES YOU WERE TELLING
THESE PEOPLE? >>THE GENTLMEN’S TIME HAS
EXPIRED. >>I DON’T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR
THE GENTLEMAN. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>>GOOD LUCK ON YOUR ROAD TO REDEMPTION. I WISH YOU WELL AND I WISH YOUR
FAMILY WELL. NOW, MR. COHEN GOT YOUR PERIOD OF NINE OR 10
YEARS WORKING FOR SOMEBODY WHO YOU ADMIRED AS A DEVELOPER AND
THEN WHEN CHARLOTTESVILLE HAPPENED AND QUITE FRANKLY, WHEN
SPECIAL COUNSEL CALLED YOU IN, THAT WAS A KEY
PART OF IT OR YOU WOULD NOT BE HERE. BUT THE IN BETWEEN PART, I
FIND INTERESTING AND TROUBLING. DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, I
WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT TWO SPECIFIC THINGS. FIRST OF ALL,
THE TRUMP TOWER. YOU ARE NEGOTIATING AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE
TALLEST BUILDING IN EUROPE. IN YOUR GUILTY PLEA, WITH THE
SPECIAL COUNSEL, YOU SAY THAT COLEMAN ASKED INDIVIDUAL 1 ABOUT
THE POSSIBILITY OF TRAVELING TO RUSSIA ABOUT THE RUSSIA
CONNECTION. AND ABOUT POTENTIAL BUSINESS TRAVEL TO RUSSIA. WENT
TO THIS CONVERSATION HAPPEN? DO YOU RECALL?
>>EARLY IN THE CAMPAIGN. >>AND WHO WAS THE CAMPAIGN
OFFICIAL?>>WHAT DID YOU DISCUSS IN THIS
MEETING? >>THE POSSIBILITY OF WHICH
DATES THAT MR. TRUMP WOULD HAVE AVAILABILITY IF WE WERE GOING TO
GO OVER TO UNFORTUNATELY IT NEVER CAME TO
FRUITION BECAUSE WE WERE NEVER UNTIL SUCH TIME, THERE WAS NO
REASON TO COME UP WITH A DATE. BUT WHEN I FIRST RECEIVED THE
INFORMATION REQUEST TO GO TO RUSSIA WHEN I DECIDED TO DO WAS
I SPOKE TO MR. TRUMP ABOUT IT. WE ASKED ABOUT WHAT DATES MIGHT
BE AVAILABLE. >>SO IT IS NOT BECAUSE OF
APPEARANCES? OR BECAUSE PARTIES DECIDED NOT TO PURSUE IT?
>>I’M SORRY. I DON’T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
>>WHITED THE PURSUIT OF THE TRUMP TOWER WHY WAS THE REASON THAT THE DEAL
STOP? >>BECAUSE HE WON THE
PRESIDENCY. >>NOW THAT WE KNOW IT CERTAINLY
APPEARS TROUBLING THAT YOU OR MR. TRUMP WAS PART
OF THIS NEGOTIATION. AT THE SAME TIME, PERHAPS WE KNOW SEPARATELY
THAT THE RUSSIANS WERE ENGAGED. I DON’T KNOW ABOUT THE RUSSIA
INVESTIGATION. I CAN ONLY TALK FOR MYSELF. HERE I WOULD SAY TO MYSELF, IN RESPONSE TO THE
QUESTION, WHAT’S GOING ON WITH RUSSIA IS HE WAS STILL WAITING
FOR DOCUMENTS. AND THAT NIGHT IN A RALLY, HE WOULD TURN AROUND
AND DO HIS BATTLE CRY OF NO RUSSIA, NO COLLUSION, IT’S A
WITCH HUNT. >>AND HENRY 17 OF THIS YEAR,
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL PUBLISHED A STORY SAYING THAT
YOU HIRED JOHN AT GATOR TO ROMP TWO ONLINE POLLS THAT WOULD BE RIGGED.
>>I BELIEVE THOSE WERE BACK IN 2015.
>>YOU DID HIRE HIM? >>I SPOKE WITH HIM ABOUT
MANIPULATING ONLINE POLLS. >>DID HE USE BOTS TO DO THAT?
>> HE USED ALGORITHMS AND IF THAT IS THE SAME AS BOTS, HE DID
THAT. >>WHAT WERE THE RESULTS OF THE
POOL. >>EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED THEM
TO BE. THE CNBC POLL BROUGHT US IN AT NUMBER NINE. AND HE WAS AT
THE TOP OF THE JUDGE REPORT AS WELL. THERE WAS SOMETHING CALLED THE HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AMONG THE
TOP 10 MOST FLOW INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE.
>>EARLIER TODAY YOU DIRECTED A COMMENT TO MY COLLEAGUES AND
CORRECT ME IF I GET THIS WRONG. YOU SAID THAT THE MORE PEOPLE
WHO FOLLOW MR. TRUMP, THE MORE PEOPLE WILL BE WHERE I AM. IS IT
YOUR EXPECTATION THAT PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION WILL END UP WHERE YOU ARE?
>>SADLY, IF THEY FOLLOW HIM BLINDLY LIKE I HAVE, I THINK THE
ANSWER IS YES. >>THE GENTLMEN’S TIME HAS
EXPIRED. >>WHEN I TALKED ABOUT CONGRESS
I TALKED ABOUT HOW WASHINGTON IS BROKEN BUT I DID NOT EXPECT THE
STAGNATION OF POLICIES THAT WOULD IMPROVE THE LIVES OF
AMERICANS THAT I AM WITNESSING TODAY. IT IS TERRIBLY
DISAPPOINTING TO ME THAT THIS COMMITTEE AND THE CHAIRMAN CHOSE
TO SPEND THEIR TIME QUESTIONING A PERSON WHO HAS IT ZERO
PROBATIVE VALUE INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON IMPROVING
THE LIVES OF AMERICANS AND STREAMLINING THE FUNCTIONING OF
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. YET HERE WE ARE , TAKING TESTIMONY FROM A
CONVICTED LIAR AND NOT SOMEONE WHO HAS JUST LIED TO HIS
CLIENTS, FAMILY AND FRIENDS. BUT TESTIMONY FROM AN INDIVIDUAL WHO
DELIBERATELY . HE LIED TO CONGRESS TO
TESTIMONY, THROUGH WRITTEN STATEMENTS AND VERBAL
STATEMENTS. HE RELEASED AND REPORTED HIS LIES TO THE PUBLIC
INCLUDING POTENTIAL WITNESSES. WE ARE NOW SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE HIS
TESTIMONY. I DON’T KNOW ROGER IN AMERICA THAT WOULD BELIEVE
ANYTHING THAT HE SAYS GIVEN HIS PAST ACTIONS AND LIES. YOU SWORE AN OATH TO BE HONEST.
IS THAT CORRECT? >>YES.
>>AND YOU LIKE TO THOSE MEMBERS?
>>YES. >>YOU STATED THAT TRUMP NEVER
DIRECTED YOU TO LIE TO CONGRESS. IS THAT CORRECT?
>>YES THAT IS CORRECT.>>I HAVE AUTHORITY STATED MY
PIECE ON THAT. I KNEW WHAT HE WANTED ME TO DO. I WAS STAYING
ON PARTYLINE. >>HE DID NOT USE THOSE LINES.
NO. >>WERE PAYMENTS MADE TO BY MR.
TRUMP? >>AMONGST OTHER THINGS, YES.
>>YET, OTHER THAN YOUR TESTIMONY HERE TODAY, THERE IS
ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF THAT THOSE SPECIFIC PAYMENTS WERE FOR THOSE
PURPOSES? IS THAT CORRECT? >>IT IS MY TESTIMONY THAT THE
CHECK THAT I PRODUCED AS PART OF THIS TESTIMONY AND THEN THE
SECOND CHECK THAT IS SIGNED BY ALLEN WEISSELBERG AND DONALD
TRUMP JUNIOR, WORD TWO CHECKS OUT OF THE 11 THAT WERE MEANT
FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT OF THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO STORMY
DANIELS. >>SO IN YOUR TESTIMONY ON PAGE
13, MR. TRUMP DIRECTED ME TO USE MY
OWN PERSONAL FUNDS FROM A HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT TO AVOID
MONEY FROM BEING TRACKED BACK TO HIM THAT WOULD IMPACT HIS
CAMPAIGN. DO YOU HAVE ANY PROOF OF THIS DIRECTION?
>>JUST THE PAYMENTS. >>SO NO EMAIL?
>>MR. TRUMP DOES NOT HAVE EMAIL.
>>CENTER RECORDINGS? >>NO.
>>NO MESSAGES? >>MR. TRUMP DOES NOT HAVE
MESSAGES. >>SO OTHER THAN YOUR TESTIMONY
THERE IS NO PROOF THAT IT WAS DIRECTED FOR YOU TO DO
THAT. >>AND THE FACT THAT I PAID AT
HIS DIRECTION IN HIS BEHALF, THE MONEY TO KEEP THE ACCOUNT. THERE
IS NO OTHER DOCUMENTATION THAT I HAVE. SPECS AND THE THING THAT YOU
PRODUCE AS PART OF THE EXHIBITS PROVED THAT PRESIDENT DONALD
TRUMP DIRECTED YOU IN ANY WAY TO MAKE THAT PAYMENT?
>>I DON’T EVEN KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT.
>>IT IS PRETTY SIMPLE. THERE IS NOTHING IN EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS
THAT THE EXHIBITS THAT YOU PROVIDED TODAY THAT TRUMP
DIRECTED YOU TO MAKE THOSE MOMENTS.
>>OTHER THAN THE NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT THAT HAS BEEN SEIZED
BY GOVERNMENT AUTHORITIES. I DON’T BELIEVE THERE IS ANYBODY
OUT THERE THAT BELIEVE THAT I JUST DECIDED TO PAY 130,000
DOLLARS ON HIS BEHALF. >>YOU WERE HIS ATTORNEY FOR 10
YEARS. >>BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN I
WOULD PAY FOR THAT. >>SO HOW DID PRESIDENT DONALD
TRUMP KNOW THAT YOU HAD AN LOCK?
>>I GUESS WE DISCUSSED IT. AS ONE ADDITIONAL THING, RUDY
GIULIANI CAME OUT HIMSELF AND EXPRESS TO PRESIDENT DONALD
TRUMP THAT HE REIMBURSED ME FOR THE MONEY THAT WAS SPENT TO PAY
STORMY DANIELS. >>DID YOU TELL CHRIS CUOMO THAT
YOU HAD NO ACCESS TO PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP DURING OCTOBER AND
NOVEMBER 2016.>>I WOULD NEED TO SEE THE
DOCUMENTATION. EXPECTED TO ALSO TELL CHRIS CUOMO THAT YOU MADE
THESE PAYMENTS WITHOUT TELLING MR. TRUMP BECAUSE HE WANTED TO
PROTECT ESTHER TRUMP? >>YOU TOLD HIM THAT YOU MADE
THESE PAYMENTS WITHOUT TELLING HIM?
>>IF THAT IS WHAT I SAID TO CHRIS CUOMO, YES. THAT WAS MY
LINE. >>IF THIS UNSUPPORTED CLAIM IS
TRUE THEN IT WOULD BE PART OF AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION AS
EVIDENCE OF A CRIME IN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WOULD NOT
DISCUSS IT AS PART OF YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY.
>>DO NOT KNOW. >>THE GENTLMEN’S TIME HAS
EXPIRED. WOULD YOU LIKE TO ANSWER THAT?
>>I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE MORE THING. NOT ONLY DID I LIE TO THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT I LIED TO THE FIRST LADY WHEN THE
PRESIDENT CALLED ME, I WAS SITTING IN A CAR WITH A FRIEND
OF MINE AND HE HAD ME SPEAK TO HER AND EXPLAIN TO THE FIRST
LADY. SO THE ANSWER IS, YOU ARE NOT ACCURATE. I DON’T FEEL GOOD
ABOUT ANY OF THIS. THIS WAS NOT MY INTENTION.
>>MISS FLORENCE. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>>I JUST WANT TO SAY ON RECORD, HAVING TO ENDURE THE PUBLIC
COMMENTS OF RACISM FROM THE SITTING PRESIDENT, I CAN ONLY
IMAGINE WHAT IS BEING SAID IN PRIVATE. AND TO PROP UP ONE
MEMBER OF OUR ENTIRE RACE OF BLACK PEOPLE AND SAY THAT
NULLIFIES THAT IS TOTALLY INSULTING AND IN THIS
ENVIRONMENT, OF EXPECTING A PRESIDENT TO BE INCLUSIVE AND TO LOOK AT HIS
ADMINISTRATION SPEAKS VOLUMES. SO I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. I WANT
TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS INTIMIDATION OF THE WITNESS. MR.
COHEN, YOU WERE SCHEDULED TO TEST BEFORE THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE ON FEBRUARY 7 BUT YOUR
LEGAL TEAM DELAYED YOUR TESTIMONY QUOTING ONGOING
THREATS AGAINST HER FAMILY FROM THE PRESIDENT AND ATTORNEY
GIULIANI. IS THAT CORRECT?>>YES MA’AM.
>>AND THEN ON NOVEMBER 29, AFTER YOU ADMITTED THAT THE
NEGOTIATIONS OVER A REAL ESTATE PROJECT IN RUSSIA CONTINUED
THROUGH THE SUMMER BEFORE THE 2016 ELECTION, TRUMP CALLED YOU
A WEAK PERSON AND ACCUSED OF YOUR LINE. AND THEN ON DECEMBER
16, AFTER 2018, AFTER YOU DISCLOSED THAT IT WAS THE
PRESIDENT WHO DIRECTED YOU TO ARRANGE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO
STORMY DANIELS AND KAREN McDOUGALD TO CONCEAL HIS
AFFAIRS, HE CALLED YOU A RAT. MR. COHEN, WHY DO YOU FEEL OR
BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT IS REPEATEDLY ATTACKING YOU? YOU
ARE STATING THAT YOU FEEL INTIMIDATED ASKING US TO PROTECT
YOU. THAT IS FOLLOWING YOUR COOPERATION WITH LAW
ENFORCEMENT. >>WHEN YOU HAVE ACCESS TO 60 PLUS MILLION PEOPLE ON SOCIAL
MEDIA AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPARK AND FROM HIS OWN WORDS, HE CAN
WALK DOWN FIFTH AVENUE, SHOOT SOMEONE AND GET AWAY WITH
IT, IT IS NEVER COMFORTABLE WHEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES — >>WHAT DO YOU THINK HE CAN DO
TO YOU? >>A LOT. AND IT IS NOT JUST
HIM. IT IS THOSE PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW HIM AND HIS RHETORIC
>>WHAT IS A LOT? >>I DON’T KNOW. I DON’T WALK WITH MY CHILDREN OR
MY WIFE. I MAKE THEM GO BEFORE ME BECAUSE I HAVE FEAR. AND IT
IS THE SAME FEAR THAT I HAD BEFORE WHEN HE INITIALLY DECIDED
TO DROP THAT TWEET IN MY CELL PHONE. I AM SURE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND. I
RECEIVED SOME TWEETS AND I RECEIVED SOME FACEBOOK MESSENGER
AND ALL SORTS OF SOCIAL MEDIA ATTACKS UPON ME. BUT IT IS THE
PRIVATE DIRECT MESSAGE THAT I HAVE HAD
TO TURN OVER TO SECRET SERVICE BECAUSE THEY ARE THE MOST VILE
AND DISGUSTING STATEMENTS THAT ANYONE CAN EVER RECEIVE AND WHAT IT STARTS TO IMPACT HER
CHILDREN, THAT IS WHEN IT REALLY IMPACTS YOU.
>>ON JANUARY 20, 2019, MR. JULIANA CALLED YOUR
FATHER-IN-LAW A CRIMINAL AND SAID THAT HE MAY HAVE TIES TO
ORGANIZED CRIME. MR. CULLEN, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THEY PUBLICLY
TARGETED YOUR FATHER-IN-LAW IN AN EFFORT TO INTIMIDATE YOU? WHY
IS YOUR FATHER-IN-LAW BEING PULLED INTO THIS?
>>I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. I FATHER-IN-LAW WAS IN THE
CLOTHING BUSINESS WHEN HE CAME TO THIS COUNTRY. HE CAME TO THIS COUNTRY AND HE
WORKED HARD AND HE IS NOW ENJOYING HIS RETIREMENT. NEVER
IN MY LIFE TODAY THINK THAT TRUMP WOULD DO SOMETHING SO
DISGRACEFUL. HE KNOWS ABOUT MY FAMILY AND HE IS TRYING TO HURT
MY FAMILY AND HURT THEM. IT JUST DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE
TO ME.>>I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT
EFFORTS TO PREVENT SOMEONE FROM TESTIFYING BEFORE CONGRESS IS
AGAINST THE LAW. I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. IT IS A MOB TACTIC THAT THAT IS
NOT BENEFIT THE IN PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THIS IS NOT
ABOUT DISCREDITING THE PRESIDENT. IT IS ABOUT THE OATH
OF OFFICE THAT WE TAKE AS MEMBERS OF CONGRESS THAT
INCLUDES CHECKS AND BALANCES AND TO MEET THE LAWS AND POLICIES OF
THIS COUNTRY TO SERVE. THANK YOU, AND I YIELD.
>>MR. CULLEN, I WANT TO OFFER MY HEARTFELT THOUGHTS FOR YOUR
FAMILY WHAT THEY ARE GOING THROUGH. I KNOW IT IS TOUGH FOR
YOU TO STAND BEFORE THIS COURT. YOU TESTIFIED THAT YOU
WERE ASKED TO COME HERE. IS IT CORRECT YOU WERE ASKED TO COME
HERE, YES OR NO? >>YES.
>>THE, MINE TOTAL FOR THE CRIMES HE COMMITTED IS 70 YEARS
BUT YOU ARE GOING TO PRISON FOR THREE YEARS. YES OR NO?
>>YES.>>YOU TOLD MY COLLEAGUE HERE TODAY
THAT YOU DID NOT COMMIT BANK FRAUD. ARE YOU OR ARE YOU NOT GUILTY OF
MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS TO A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION, YES OR
NO? >>YES.>>YOU SAID THAT THEY WERE BEING
UNTRUE CHARACTERIZING YOUR DESIRE TO WORK IN
ADMINISTRATION. DO YOU SAY THAT THE LAWYERS ARE BEING UNTRUE IN
SAYING THAT CHARACTERIZATION. >>I AM SAYING THAT IS NOT
ACCURATE. >>SO YOU ARE SAYING THEY ARE
NOT TRUTHFUL? >>I DID NOT SAY THAT. I DID NOT
WANT A ROLE OR TITLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION.
>>I AM SURE THE LAWYERS APPRECIATE
THAT DISTINCTION. >>YOU TESTIFIED TODAY THAT YOU
HAVE NEVER BEEN TO THE CZECH REPUBLIC OR PRAGUE. DO YOU STAND
BEHIND THAT STATEMENT? >>YES I DO.
>>I OFFER AN ARTICLE WHEN YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE IN PRAGUE 14
YEARS AGO FOR ONE AFTERNOON. DO YOU STAND BEHIND THAT, YES OR
NO? >>I’M SORRY, HE SAID THAT SO
FAST? >>YOU INQUIRED AND OFFERED TO
THIS COMMITTEE THAT YOU WOULD PROVIDE INFORMATION TO YOUR
CLIENTS AT THE BAD OF A BLACK EYE. DO YOU STAND BEHIND THAT
OFFER? >>IT IS NOT A PROBLEM IF IT IS
NOT A PROBLEM IN TERMS OF CLIENT ATTORNEY PRIVILEGE THAT I WILL.
>>YOU MISLED THIS COMMITTEE TODAY IN A WRITTEN SUBMISSION
THAT CONTRADICTED YOUR TESTIMONY. YOU SAID YOU WERE
GOING TO REVIEW THAT. ARE YOU GOING TO REVIEW THE IN
YOUR NEXT BREAK TO CORRECT THAT?>>YES.
>>YOU HELPED OUT THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN OR WERE
INVOLVED IN THE CAMPAIGN AS A REPRESENTATIVE, SPOKESMAN, AND
EVEN IN YOUR WORDS, IT WAS YOUR IDEA FOR THE CAMPAIGN THAT
DATING BACK TO 2011. IS THAT ACCURATE?
>>YES. >>2011 STICKS IN MY HEAD. IT IS
THE YEAR I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER AND I WAS NOT DONE
PUSHING FOR PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP TO BE PRESIDENT. EVEN IN
2016 I WAS –. BUT YOU WERE ALL IN. YOU EITHER WANTED PRESIDENT
DONALD TRUMP TO BE YOUR PRESIDENT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE
GOOD FOR YOUR COUNTRY OR YOU DID IT FOR YOUR OWN PERSONAL
ADVANCEMENT. ONE OF THE TWO OPTIONS? REAL AMERICANS IN MY
DISTRICT AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY WANTED THE PRESIDENT TO BE
PRESIDENT NOT BECAUSE HE IS PERFECT BUT RATHER BECAUSE THEY
ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THIS HELLHOLE. THEY SUPPORTED THE
PRESIDENT BECAUSE THEY ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THE GAMES THAT WE
ARE SEEING HERE TODAY. THEY ARE TIRED OF POLITICIANS WHO REFUSE
TO SECURE THE BORDER. BALANCE OUR BUDGET, RESTORE HEALTHCARE
AND GET OUT OF THE WAY SO THEY CAN LEAD THEIR LIVES. THEY ARE
MYSTIFIED THAT WE AMASSED ABOUT $100 MILLION IN DEBT. $450 MILLION TOTAL. THEY ARE
SICK AND TIRED OF A DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT ENDANGERS AMERICAN
CITIZENS AND THE MIGRANTS WHO SEEK TO COME HERE. JUST
YESTERDAY IN EAGLE PASS TEXAS, BORDER PATROL MEMBERS ARRESTED
AN MS-13 MEMBER. AND THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A MAN
CONNECTED TO MURDERS AND HOME INVASIONS IN TEXAS. THEY FORCED
BRIEF CLOSURE OF THE LAREDO PORT. THIS
IS WHAT WE ARE IGNORING. THIS IS NOT WHAT WE ARE DOING FOR THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE WHILE WE ENGAGE IN THIS CHARADE. THIS IS NOT
WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SENT US HERE TO DO. THIS IS AN
EMBARRASSMENT FOR OUR COUNTRY. I TALKED TO MY WIFE JUST BEFORE
THE HEARING. I SAID, DON’T BOTHER WATCHING. SHE SAID, AS I EXPECTED, DON’T
WORRY, I WON’T. I HAVE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO. AND SHE,
LIKE THE REST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE MORE IMPORTANT
THINGS TO DO THAN TO WATCH THIS. I SAID AMEN, DARLING. I CANNOT
HELP BUT THINK THAT THAT IS WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE MARKET
PEOPLE ARE WATCHING THIS UNBELIEVABLE CIRCUS.
>>I YIELD BACK. >>I HAVE A LOT TO DO AS WELL. I
HAVE HOUSES AND SCHOOLS TO REBUILD, EDUCATIONAL
OPPORTUNITIES, CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM AND THANK GOD THE
DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME SO WE
ARE HERE RIGHT NOW. MR. CULLEN, YOU LEARNED WELL IN THE 10 YEARS
THAT YOU WORKED WITH DONALD TRUMP. WHAT WAS YOUR POSITION
WITH THE GOP IN THE EIGHT MONTHS.>>I WAS VICE CHAIR OF THE RNC
FINANCE COMMITTEE. >>YOU WERE VICE CHAIR OF THE
REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE? >>CORRECT.
>>I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I WAS A DEMOCRAT UNTIL STEVE FOUND OUT IT WAS A
DEMOCRAT AND MAYBE SWITCH PARTIES.
>>SO , I ONLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF
TIME. ON BEHALF OF THE MANY MEMBERS HERE WHO HAVE EXPRESSED
TO YOUR FAMILY, OUR APOLOGIZE APOLOGIES TO YOUR FAMILY BUT I
WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE INAPPROPRIATE TWEETS MADE BY
THIS BODY. AND, I THINK THAT AT THE VERY LIST LEASED THERE
SHOULD BE A REFERRAL TO THE ETHICS COMMITTEE OF WITNESS
INTIMIDATION UNDER USC 1512 OF MY COLLEAGUE MATT GAETZ AND I WANT TO PUT
THAT ON THE RECORD. ON MAY 3, 2018, ONE DAY AFTER AN
APPEARANCE BY MR. GIULIANI, HE SAID MR. COHEN AND THE ATTORNEY
RECEIVED A MONTHLY RETAINER HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH THE
CAMPAIGN WHICH HE ENTERED INTO. IT WAS A REIMBURSEMENT OF A
PRIVATE CONTRACT BETWEEN TWO PARTIES KNOWN AS A NONDISCLOSURE
AGREEMENT. BUT THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT ETHICS, WHICH IS WHAT THE PRESIDENT NEEDS REPORT
PUBLICLY ABOUT HIS ASSETS THEY WERE CONFUSED BY THIS. AND THEY
WERE SURPRISED THAT IT WAS IN PLACE. THE PRESIDENTS PERSONAL
COUNSEL REPLIED THAT SHE WOULD, AND I QUOTE, NOT PERMIT STAFF TO READ THE AGREEMENT
BECAUSE IT IS PRIVILEGE. SHE WOULD NOT EVEN LET STAFF COME TO
HER OFFICE TO REVIEW THE RETAINER AGREEMENT. MR. CULLEN,
IN A FILING BY THE COURT MADE LAST YEAR, PROSECUTORS SAY THAT
THE QUOTE , THERE WAS NO SUCH RETAINER
AGREEMENT. DID YOU EVER HAVE A RETAINER AGREEMENT IN PLACE WITH
THE PRESIDENT FOR THE PAYMENT TO MS. CLIFFORD?
>>NO.>>SO WAS THE STATEMENT BY MR.
GIULIANI INACCURATE? >>YES.
>>WAS THE STATEMENT BY MS. DYLAN IN ACCURATE.
>>I’M SORRY? >>IS HER STATEMENT INACCURATE?
>>HER STATEMENT TO THEM WAS NOT TO PERMIT OGE STAFF TO READ THE AGREEMENT
BECAUSE IT IS PRIVILEGE. >>THERE WAS NO AGREEMENT.
>>AND IS THE TWEET FROM THE PRESIDENT INACCURATE?
>>AND HIS STATEMENT WAS, MR. COHEN RECEIVED A RETAINER BUT
NOT FROM THE CAMPAIGN.>>THAT IS NOT ACCURATE.
>>YOU MENTIONED SOME INDIVIDUALS TO MY COLLEAGUE FROM
NEW YORK, MS. CONNOLLY AND ALSO IN YOUR TESTIMONY ABOUT MR. ALLEN WEISSELBERG . WHO ARE
THOSE INDIVIDUALS? ARE THEY WITH THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION?
>>YES THEY ARE. >>SHOULD WE BE MEETING WITH
THEM? >>ALLEN WEISSELBERG IS THE
CHIEF OF FINANCIAL — >>>>WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO
CORROBORATE THAT. >>RHONA IS INVOLVED IN A LOT
THAT WAS GOING ON. >>AND WHEN THE PRESIDENTS LAWYERS
WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH THE OFFICE OF ETHICS IN 2018,
DID THEY REACH OUT TO YOU TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT THE
STATEMENTS? >>NO MAN.
>>AND DID YOU SHARE ANYTHING WITH THEM? IN ANY OF THE
CONVERSATIONS? >>I DO NOT RECALL.
>>THE COMMITTEE OBTAIN MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THESE FACTS BY
OBTAINING DOCUMENTS FROM THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, THE WHITE
HOUSE AND THE ATTORNEYS FOR THE PRESIDENT LACKS
>>I BELIEVE SO. >>MR. CHAIR, I THINK THAT THOSE
ARE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE SHOULD BE SPEAKING WITH. I YIELD
MY TIME. >>THE COMMITTEE WILL NOW STAND
IN RECESS. WE WILL COME BACK. IN 35 MINUTES. 35 MINUTES AFTER THE
LAST VOTE BEGINS. SO, MR. COHEN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN HOUR OR
SO. >>THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE IS
TAKING A BREAK IN YOU CAN SEE MICHAEL COHEN GETTING UP THERE.
WE HEARD CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS STATE THAT THERE IS ABOUT AN HOUR AND A
HALF BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN THEY COME BACK. WE STILL HAVE FIVE
DEMOCRATS THAT HAVE NOT TESTIFIED YET. THEY ARE FRESHMEN
WHO ARE EAGER TO HAVE A MOMENT TO GET SOME ANSWERS. FROM
MICHAEL COHEN. THEY ARE ALL NEW MEMBERS OF
CONGRESS. THIS IS LIVE COVERAGE FROM THE WASHINGTON POST. I AM
JOINED BY EMILY HEIL . WE WILL BE WITH YOU THROUGHOUT
THIS BREAK. WE ARE STREAMING LIVE ON THE WASHINGTON POST
WEBSITE AND ON YOUTUBE AS WELL AS THE STREAMING SITE TWITS.
TWITCH. IN ADVANCE AND WE ALSO HAVE
GOTTEN MORE DETAILS ABOUT JUST HOW THE PAYMENT PROCESS WORKED
OUT FOR WOMEN IN THESE SITUATIONS WITH HUSH MONEY
PAYMENTS AND THAT IS PART OF WHAT MICHAEL COHEN IS GOING TO
JAIL FOR BECAUSE THEY ARE ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN RELATED
PAYMENTS. WE ARE ALSO HEARING NAMES THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT
BECAUSE THEY COULD BE THREADS THAT DEMOCRATS COULD PULL OUT
FOR OTHER INVESTIGATIONS. BUT, I HAVE NOT HEARD A WHOLE LOT IN
THE LAST HOUR OR TWO THAT HAS BEEN A BRAND-NEW REVELATION.
>>IT WILL BE DIFFICULT, GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION FROM
THAT OPENING STATEMENT. YOU WOULD THINK HE WOULD’VE PUT
THE MOST SERIOUS THINGS IN THAT OPENING STATEMENT. I THINK THAT
ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT WE LEARNED ABOUT WAS IN ONE
EXCHANGE HE TALKED ABOUT HOW THERE WAS ANOTHER INVESTIGATION
INVOLVING TRUMP AND THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION THAT WE DID NOT
KNOW ABOUT BUT ALSO THAT HE COULD NOT TALK ABOUT IT EVEN
THOUGH HE SAID IT EXISTED BECAUSE IT WAS UNDER
INVESTIGATION AND HE AGREED TO NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I
THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING. THERE WERE SOME OTHER PULLING AT THE STRINGS OF
CERTAIN ANGLES OF THIS AS FAR AS WHEN THE PAYMENTS WERE MADE, WHO
WAS INVOLVED AND ONE INTERESTING PART WAS WHERE HE NAMED PEOPLE
WHO COULD HAVE BEEN AWARE OF CERTAIN ACTIVITIES AND WHETHER IT WAS PEOPLE IN THE
TRUMP ORGANIZATION OR HIS FAMILY MEMBERS. I THINK THE BIGGEST
TAKE AWAY FROM THIS ARE THINGS THAT WE DON’T KNOW THAT ARE
BEING INVESTIGATED RIGHT NOW OR THINGS THAT NEED TO BE
INVESTIGATED. >>LET’S GO TO RHONDA COLEMAN AT
CAPITOL HILL.>>Reporter: WE ARE HERE RIGHT
NOW WITH OUR DEMOCRAT FROM MICHIGAN. SHE IS ON THE
COMMITTEE AND WILL BE QUESTIONING MR. COHEN IN THE
NEXT PORTION OF THE HEARING. CONGRESSWOMAN, WHAT HAVE YOU
THOUGHT OF THE PROCEEDING SO FAR? WHAT HAS STOOD OUT TO?
>>FOR MANY OF US, ESPECIALLY MY RESIDENCE AT HOME, THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A WHILE. AND
THAT, INDIVIDUAL ONE OR WHAT WE CALL TRUMP HAS BEEN VERY
HANDS-ON WITH A LOT OF THE ILLEGAL
SCHEMES IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY THAT IS RELATED TO WHAT WE HEARD
TODAY FROM ESTHER KWON. >>AND WHAT YOU PLAN TO ASK WHEN
YOU GET YOUR QUESTION? >>I AM LISTENING TO SOME OF THE
OTHER COLLEAGUE QUESTIONS AND I THINK, FOR ME, BE ON THE MUELLER
REPORT, IT HAS BEEN ABOUT UPHOLDING THE CONSTITUTION AND
WHETHER OR NOT HE HAS DIVESTED ALL OF HIS BUSINESSES, FOREIGN
AND DOMESTIC AND IF HE IS CURRENTLY CONDUCTING ILLEGAL
SCHEMES FROM THE OVAL OFFICE AND WHETHER OR NOT,
IN HIS KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH PRESIDENT DONALD
TRUMP IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, WHETHER OR NOT HE IS PUTTING HIS
OWN INTEREST FIRST BEFORE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THAT IS THE
WHOLE PURPOSE AND THE SOLE FOCUS OF THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE IS TO
GET THE TRUTH OUT. AND IT IS VERY UPSETTING FOR A LOT OF MY
RESIDENCE AT HOME. I CAN TELL YOU THE THOUGHT OF A SITTING
PRESIDENT DOING THESE THINGS OUT OF THE OVAL OFFICE, PUTTING THEM
SECOND AND PUTTING HIS OWN GREED FOR POWER AND THAT HE IS
CENTERED AROUND THAT IS VERY SCARY AND UPSETTING FOR MANY
ILLINOIS RESIDENTS. >>THERE HAS BEEN A LOT A LOT OF TALK BY MR. COHEN ABOUT
CHARACTER AND HOW HE MADE RECENT STATEMENTS AND THAT HE INFLATES
HIS WEALTH. WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THOSE CHARACTER POINTS THAT HE
IS BRINGING OUT? >>THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE
HEARD ABOUT PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP FOR DECADES. IT IS NOTHING
NEW. I THINK, HEARING IT FROM HIS PERSONAL ATTORNEY, A LOT OF
MY COLLEAGUES WANT TO DISCREDIT HIM AND CALL HIM A LIAR. BUT
THINK ABOUT IT. THE SITTING PRESIDENT CHOSE HIM TO BE HIS
PERSONAL LAWYER. WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES. INDIRECTLY THEY NEED TO CONSIDER THAT THEY ARE
ATTACKING THE PRESIDENT BY ATTACKING HIM.
>>CONGRESSWOMAN RAJA
KRISHNAMOORTHI, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
>>>WE HAVE AARON BLAKE AND EMILY HERE. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING
IN TERMS OF NEWSMAKING MOMENTS OR THEMES THAT ARE COMING OUT
HERE? >>I THINK WE ARE GOING TO BE
TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE AND ANALYZING IT FOR DAYS TO COME.
JUST BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH ON SO MANY DIFFERENT TOPICS THAT
MICHAEL COHEN HAS HAD TO OFFER. I DO THINK THAT AS I HAVE
THOUGHT SINCE THIS MORNING THAT PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST CENTRAL
MUSINGS WE HAVE LEARNED AND WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANY WORD OF THIS
BEFORE IS THE CLAIM FROM MICHAEL COHEN THAT HE CLAIMS TO HAVE
OVERHEARD ROGER STONE TALK ABOUT THE
WIKILEAKS EMAILS AHEAD OF TIME. FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BEEN
COVERING THE RUSSIAN INVESTIGATION SINCE THE VERY
START, THIS QUESTION OF DID THE PRESIDENT HAVE ADVANCED
KNOWLEDGE OF WIKILEAKS ALWAYS BEEN A CORE OR
CENTRAL QUESTION AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT. AND SO, THAT CLAIM
WAS NOT WHEN WE HAVE HEARD BEFORE AND WAS REALLY QUITE
STUNNING. BUT IT IS HARDLY THE ONLY THING. IT REALLY, IT IS ONE
THING AFTER ANOTHER AND IT IS KIND OF AMAZING.
>>IT CAN BE HARD TO PROCESS THE BIG STORY LINES AND THAT IS WHY
IT IS GOOD WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS AND PULLED THEM OUT
OURSELVES. DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ONLY HAVE ABOUT FIVE
MINUTES TO GET THEIR POINT ACROSS AND TO ELICIT A RESPONSE.
EMILY, HOW ARE YOU FEELING ABOUT HOW MICHAEL COHEN IS HOLDING UP?
IS HE DOING MORE DAMAGE TO HIMSELF? IS HE GAINING
CREDIBILITY? >>THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY
DIFFERENT TYPE OF MICHAEL COWANS IN — MICHAEL COHENS IN THIS TRIAL. IN SOME WAYS HE IS COMING
OFF IN A VERY SAD PATHETIC RACE. I THINK THERE ARE MOMENTS WHEN
HE DESCRIBES CALLING THE FIRST LADY AND HAVING TO LIE TO HER
AND THEN LATER SAYING THAT HE DID NOT WANT TO BE DOING THAT. I
THINK, THOSE ARE HUMAN MOMENTS. I THINK
THERE WAS A MOMENT WHERE HE ALMOST BROKE INTO TEARS.
THINKING ABOUT WHAT HE WANTED TO TELL HIS CHILDREN. I THINK THERE
ARE MOMENTS WHERE HE IS SYMPATHETIC. AND THEN THERE ARE
MOMENTS WHERE THESE FLASHES OF EGO COME OUT. YOU CAN SEE THE
TRUMP INSTINCTS. ALMOST BOASTING ABOUT HOW MUCH TIME HE SPENT
WITH TRUMP IN RELATION TO NUMBERS OF CONGRESS AND THAT HE
KNEW HIM BETTER AND THAT HE SPENT MORE TIME WITH HIM. THERE
IS A RANGE OF MICHAEL COHENS HERE AND SOME ARE MORE
SYMPATHETIC THAN OTHERS. I THINK THE REPUBLICAN ATTACKS ON
HIM ARE JUST ONE NOTE OF UNDERMINING
HIS CREDIBILITY. AND IN SOME WAYS THAT MAKES THEM SEEM MORE
SYMPATHETIC. HE FEELS LIKE HE’S BEING GANGED UP ON A LITTLE BIT
IT LOOKS LIKE. >>EVEN AS REPUBLICANS ARE
CRITICIZING HIM AND TRYING TO DIMINISH HIS CREDIBILITY, HE BATTED DOWN SOME STORIES OUT
THERE THAT HAVE BEEN FLOATING AROUND RELATED TO A POTENTIAL
LOVE CHILD. THIS ELEVATOR TAPE CAME UP. THE ALLEGATION WAS THAT
TRUMP HIT MELANIA TRUMP AND MICHAEL COHEN SAID IT DOES NOT EXIST AND IT
WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. SO EVEN AS REPUBLICANS ARE BASHING HIM, HE
IS GIVING SOME PUSHBACK ON SOME OF THESE ALLEGATIONS AND RUMORS.
>>AND BY THE WAY, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT HE HAS SAID
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE PRESIDENT WOULD LIKE TO SEE
BECAUSE IT’S DISPROVES SOME OF THE FIELD DOSSIER IS THE FACT
THAT HE WAS IN PRAGUE AT ONE POINT HAVING MEETINGS WITH
KREMLIN FIGURES. THIS WAS AN UNCONFIRMED ALLEGATION IN THE
DOSSIER. IT HAS COME OUT SINCE HE FIRST SAID THAT, THAT HE
ACTUALLY TOLD REPORTERS, THAT THERE IS SOME REPORTING THAT HE WAS IN PRAGUE AT SOME
POINT A LONG TIME AGO BUT NOT DURING THE CAMPAIGN.
>>TOM HAMBURGER AND I INTERVIEWED HIM IN JANUARY 2017
SO, A COUPLE WEEKS BEFORE THE DOSSIER WAS PUBLIC. REPORTERS
INCLUDING US WERE AWARE OF IT AND HE WAS AWARE OF IT AT THE
TIME AS WELL. AND HE TOLD US AT THAT TIME THAT HE SAID HE HAD
DRIVEN THROUGH PRAGUE ONCE YEARS AGO. BUT HAD NOT STOPPED OTHERWISE HE
HAD NEVER BEEN IN PRAGUE. HE SAID THAT HE WAS ONCE THERE ARE
A NUMBER OF TIMES AND MORE RECENTLY HAS SHIFTED TO THE MUCH
MORE ALL-INCLUSIVE NEVER HAS BEEN IN PRAGUE. I THINK THE
POINT THAT YOU ARE MAKING IS A REALLY GOOD ONE. AND THAT IS
THAT THE REPUBLICAN STRATEGY IS DECLARING HIM TO BE AN OVERALL
LIAR WHO CANNOT BE BELIEVED ABOUT
ANYTHING AS OPPOSED TO ATTEMPTING TO ACTUALLY POKE
HOLES IN DAMAGING THINGS THAT HE IS ASSERTING. IT IS VERY ODD
BECAUSE HE IS SAYING SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ASSERT
ARE TRUE AND NOT JUST — HE IS NOT AWARE OF THERE BEING ANY
COMPROMISING MATERIALS. HE SAYS THAT HE IS NOT AWARE OF LARGE AMOUNTS OF RUSSIAN
MONEY IN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. ALL OF THESE BIG NARRATIVES THAT
WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME, MICHAEL COHEN SAYS HE
DOES NOT BELIEVE ARE TRUE. >>
>>HE IS OFTEN SOMEONE WHO MARCH TO THE BEAT OF HIS OWN DRUM.
>>AND, IF HIS CORE MISSION TODAY WAS TO
TAKE DOWN PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP AND HE WAS WILLING TO DO
ANYTHING THAT HE COULD, HE COULD COME OUT AND SAY THAT THE
PRESIDENT TOLD ME TO LIE TO CONGRESS. THERE MAY NOT BE ANY
PROOF OF IT AND IF HE IS REALLY BENT ON IT, THAT IS SOMETHING
THAT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DISPROVE BUT ALSO IMPOSSIBLE TO
PROVE. IT HAS BEEN EVIDENT THEN HE HAS
BEEN CHOOSING HIS WORDS CAREFULLY ON CERTAIN THINGS AND
THAT HE HAS BEEN WILLING TO SAID THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS NOT
CAPABLE OF CERTAIN THINGS LIKE THE ELEVATOR TAPES.
>>AND I THINK HIS POINT WHERE HE SAID THAT THE PRESIDENT TALKS
IN CODE, I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN INTERESTING MOMENT. IT WAS A WAY
OF SAYING THAT THE PRESIDENT TOLD ME TO LIE BUT HE SAID THE
PRESIDENT DIDN’T HAVE TO TELL HIM. THERE IS A CODE THAT PEOPLE
WHO KNOW HIM UNDERSTAND. AND THEY CAN GET HIS MEANING ACROSS
WITHOUT HIM HAVING TO USE THE WORDS. AND THE WHOLE COMPARISON
WITH A REALLY NICE TIE YOU ARE WEARING IS SO INTERESTING. BUT I
THINK IT SPEAKS TO SOME OF THE CULTURE WITHIN THE TRUMP INNER
WORLD BUT ALSO ALLOWS HIM TO STOP SHORT OF SAYING WHAT HE WAS
DIRECTED TO DO AND WHAT HE WAS NOT DIRECTED TO DO. HE CAN’T SAY
THAT THE PRESIDENT TOLD HIM TO DO CERTAIN THINGS.>>YOU MAKE THIS REALLY
IMPORTANT POINT THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN ATTACKING THE
CHARACTER OF THE MAN THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN PULLING APART THE
ACTUAL MEAT OR SUBSTANCE OF WHAT HE IS SAYING OR WHAT HE HAS SAID
IN THE PAST OR WHAT ALLEGATIONS ARE ON THE TABLE.
>>IT IS ODD. I HAVE NOT HAD THE BEST STAFF WORKING ON THIS. IN
SOME OF THE CASES WHERE THEY HAVE TRIED TO DO THAT, YOU SAW A
WHIP. THERE WAS A CONGRESSMAN THAT HAD
TWO ROUNDS OF QUESTIONS SUGGESTING THAT HE WAS HOLDING
BACK INFORMATION FROM FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS EVEN THOUGH
MICHAEL COHEN WAS VERY CLEAR THAT THE BOXES HE WERE
REFERENCING HAD A READY BEEN TAKEN BY THE FBI AND RETURNED TO
HIM. AND YOU SAW A FEW INSTANCES LIKE THAT. AND I’D DO THINK THAT
CONGRESSMAN MASSEY HAD A LINE OF QUESTIONING THAT
WAS — HE SAID THAT YOU PAID STORMY
DANIELS WITH OUT EVEN THINKING THIS WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
AND MASSIE ASKED IF IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT TO ADVISE THE
PRESIDENT THAT IT WAS ILLEGAL. THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS AROUND
THE CAMPAIGN-FINANCE VIOLATIONS AND IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT A
CRIMINAL CASE AGAINST THE PRESIDENT, HOW WOULD YOU MAKE
THAT WORK? WHAT DEFENSE AVAILABLE TO THE PRESIDENT WAS
THAT HE IS FOLLOWING LEGAL ADVICE FROM UNCLE COHEN.
>>THAT IS A GREAT POINT. >>LET’S TAKE A LOOK AT ONE
EXCHANGE FROM THE HEARING TODAY. THIS IS FROM EARLIER TODAY. FROM
THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. >>HAVE YOU EVER SEEN MR. TRUMP
PERSONALLY THREATEN PEOPLE WITH PHYSICAL HARM?
>>NO. HE WOULD USE OTHERS.>>HE WOULD HIRE OTHER PEOPLE TO
DO THAT? >>HE DIDN’T HAVE TO HIRE THEM.
THEY ALREADY WORKED THERE. EVERYBODY STOP AT THE TRUMP
ORGANIZATION IS TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP. EVERY DAY MOST OF US KNEW
WE WERE COMING IN AND WE WERE GOING TO LIE FOR HIM ON
SOMETHING. AND THAT BECAME THE NORM. AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT
IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN THIS COUNTRY. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS
HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN THE GOVERNMENT.
>>THEY ARE POINTING OUT, THOSE THAT KNEW MICHAEL COHEN FOR
SEVERAL YEARS, CRITICIZING THE CULTURE AT LARGE AND THE
ANIMOSITY OF WHY CAN’T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG WHEN HE HAS
YELLED AT SOMEBODY REPORTERS OVER THE YEARS. JIM COOPER, THAT
IS THE DEMOCRAT THAT WAS ASKING HIM THE QUESTIONS FROM TENNESSEE
AND IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS SOME WASTED OPPORTUNITIES TO GET
IT SOME MORE PROBING DEEP QUESTIONS BUT THAT EXCHANGE
ENDED UP BEING IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT GETS TO THE CULTURE OF TRUMP
WORLD. IT GETS TO THE IDEA DO YOU NEED TO BE TOLD DIRECTLY
TO GO EXECUTE THIS OR CAN THERE BE A LOT OF IMPLICATION AND
INNUENDO? AND IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE CODE, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE
SUPPOSED TO GO DO. >>AND CLEARLY, MICHAEL COHEN
SAID EVERYONE KNEW WHAT THEIR JOB WAS. BUT HOW MUCH DO THEY ACT
INDEPENDENTLY AND HOW MUCH AT THE DIRECTION OF THE PRESIDENT.
I THINK THERE WAS SOME QUESTION THAT TRIED TO GET AT THAT. TO
WHAT EXTENT WERE YOU TOLD TO DO THINGS AND TO WHAT EXTENT WERE
YOU JUST ALWAYS GOING TO ACT WITHIN NOT JUST THE INTEREST OF
THE ORGANIZATION BUT WITHIN THE INTEREST OF TRUMP. SO, THEY
COULD DEFINITELY PROBE THAT A BIT MORE. BUT, HE MADE CLEAR
THAT THERE WAS NONVERBAL COMMUNICATION AND THAT THE
PRESIDENT DID A GOOD JOB TO A CERTAIN EXTENT OF INSULATING
HIMSELF FROM SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS.
>>WHAT YOU DO WITH THAT LEGALLY? WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE YOU IN
TERMS OF LEGAL GROUND?>>IT IS A GOOD QUESTION. IT
FEELS LIKE IN A LOT OF WAYS, THE SAME PLACE THAT WE HAVE BEEN IN
THIS ENTIRE INVESTIGATION. THERE IS A LOT OF GRAY AREA WHEN IT
COMES TO OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE AND WHAT EXACTLY IS COLLUSION.
SO, DOES HE HAVE CULPABILITY FOR CREATING AN THAT WOULD CREATE MORE EXPOSURE
BUT THE PRESIDENT, AS FAR AS THIS IS SO TO THE EXTENT THAT PEOPLE
DON’T SEE US THEY DON’T SEE A SMOKING GUN AND
THEY DON’T SEE THE PRESIDENT HAVING COMMITTED CERTAIN THINGS,
EXPLICITLY SAYING LIFE FOR ME AND DO THESE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS
THAT I KNOW ARE ILLEGAL AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WITHOUT THAT,
IT IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT FOR REPUBLICANS TO HOLD THEM
ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS. >>THERE IS A QUESTION THAT WAS
ON THE TABLE ABOUT HOW OFTEN COHEN THREATENED HIS PEERS. WAS
IT 50 TIMES OR 100 YEAR TIMES AND THEN THEY GOT TO 500 AND
THAT WAS ABOUT THE NUMBER THAT MICHAEL COHEN COULD AGREE TO.
BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WAS IT WITH LITIGATION? WHY IS THAT
RELEVANT HERE?>>WELL, PHYSICALLY THREATENING
SOMEONE WOULD BE A CRIME IN AND OF ITSELF.
>>BUT DID YOU GET A SENSE OF THAT? DID IT PLAY OUT?
>>I THINK THAT MICHAEL COHEN HIMSELF JUMPED IN TO SAY WHAT HE
MEANT TO SAY WITH LITIGATION AND WITH AN ARGUMENT. AND WE SAW AN
EXAMPLE OF THAT. ONE EXAMPLE THAT HE PROVIDED WAS A LETTER TO
FLORIDA UNIVERSITY. YOU LOOK AT THAT LETTER IN REFERENCE TO THE
PRESIDENT SAID THAT HE WAS PREPARING TO
RUN FOR PRESIDENT AND IT IS TALKING ABOUT HOW THE MEDIA
MIGHT ASK FOR COPIES OF HIS COLLEGE WRECKERS. AND, MICHAEL:
WRITES TO HIM THAT IT IS ILLEGAL TO RELEASE RECORDS WITHOUT THE
PERMISSION OF THE PERSON IN QUESTION. IF
YOU DO IT, WE WILL HOLD YOU CRIMINALLY AND CIVILLY LIABLE.
WE WILL PURSUE CRIMINAL PENALTIES AGAINST YOU. IT IS A
VERY THREATENING LETTER. IT IS OVER-THE-TOP AND IT IS BULLYING.
IT IS IRONIC GIVEN THAT PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP HAD
ENGAGED IN THIS HUGE CAMPAIGN AROUND HOW OBAMA SHOULD RELEASE
RECORDS INCLUDING COLLEGE TRANSCRIPTS. IS IT ILLEGAL?
>>KNOW. IT IS WHAT ATTORNEYS DO. I WANT TO PLAY ANOTHER TAPE.
THIS GETS AT A QUESTION >>ONE WAS THE LEFT
COMMUNICATION WITH PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP OR SOMEONE ACTING
ON HIS BEHALF? >>I DON’T HAVE THE SPECIFIC
DATE BUT IT WAS A WHILE AGO. >>OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A GENERAL
TIMEFRAME?>>I WOULD SUSPECT IT WAS I
WOULD SAY WAS TWO MONTHS AFTER >>SO FOLLOWED LAST YEAR
>>SO WHAT DID HE OR HIS AGENTS COMMUNICATE TO?
>>UNFORTUNATELY, THIS TOPIC IS SOMETHING THAT IS BEING
INVESTIGATED BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. I HAVE
BEEN ASKED BY THEM NOT TO DISCUSS ABOUT THESE ISSUES.
>>FAIR ENOUGH. >>IS THERE ANY OTHER WRONGDOING
OR ILLEGAL ACTS THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF REGARDING DONALD TRUMP
THAT WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED TODAY.
>>YES AND THOSE ARE PART OF THE
INVESTIGATION THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING LOOKED AT IN THE SOUTHERN
DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. >>RIGHT NOW, I THINK YOU ARE
SENTENCED TO THREE YEARS. >>THAT IS CORRECT.
>>DO YOU EXPECT ANY TIME USING THIS TESTIMONY AND TESTIMONY
AFTER YOU GET DONE DOING WHATEVER YOU’RE GOING TO DO THIS
WEEK, DO YOU EVER EXPECT TO GO BACK AND ASK FOR A REDUCTION IN
SENTENCE? >>YES. THERE ARE ONGOING
INVESTIGATIONS. >>THAT WAS MICHAEL COHEN. YOU
KNOW WHERE THAT NEXT LINE OF QUESTIONING WENT WAS A REDUCTION
IN SENTENCE. BUT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, HE IS CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO SAY
NO. >>AND THERE IS THAT PROCESS IN
THE FEDERAL SYSTEM, PEOPLE MAY REMEMBER THAT HE WAS TOLD THAT
THERE IS A PROCESS IN THE FEDERAL SYSTEM WHERE YOU CAN GO
BACK TO A JUDGE WE HAVE A NEW COOPERATION FROM
THE DEFENDANT. THAT IS THE OFFICIAL STANDARD IT IS ABOUT –. SO THEY CAN GO
BACK AND TELL THE JUDGE THAT HE SHOULD GET A REDUCTION IN HIS
SENTENCE. SO THAT IS CLEARLY THE PATH THAT MICHAEL COHEN IS
ATTEMPTED TO PURSUE HERE IN HAVING THIS ONGOING
COMMUNICATION. I THINK THAT THE STANDARD IS PRETTY HIGH. HE
WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO PROVIDE INFORMATION THAT THEY FIND TRULY
USEFUL AND THE REPUBLICANS KEPT SUGGESTING THAT IT ASKING HIM IF
THAT IS WHY HE WAS HERE TODAY BUT THE LOGIC IS ON HIS SIDE IN
THIS CASE. THERE IS REALLY NOTHING ABOUT THIS HEARING THAT
IS GOING TO HELP HIM IN THIS PROCESS. IF ANYTHING, IT IS
PROBABLY COMPLICATING TO THE INVESTIGATION. IT IS HARD TO SEE
HOW TESTIFYING BEFORE CONGRESS COULD HELP THEM GET AN REDUCTION .
>>THE QUESTION OF IF HE WANTED A JOB IN THE WHITE HOUSE IS
IMPORTANT. IT IS SIGNIFICANT HE IS SAYING NO INTEREST AND HE
IS VERY HAPPY WITH THE PERSONAL LAWYER GIG THAT HE HAD. IT SEEMS
LIKE A NITPICKY THING TO FOCUS ON BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IT
GOES TO HONESTY AND IF YOU ARE SPEAKING TRUTHFULLY BEFORE
CONGRESS. >>IF THERE IS ONE THING THAT
COMES OUT OF THIS HEARING THAT IT LOOKS LIKE” AND WAS HIDING OR
NOT BEING TOTALLY HONEST ABOUT, GIVING THE CREDIBILITY, THAT IS GOING
TO TOTALLY UNDERMINE EVERYTHING THAT HE SAYS. I THINK THERE’S GOING TO BE SOME
LOOKING BACK ON THAT. THE BIG THING IS, THE IDEA THAT HE NEVER
WANTED TO WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE. HE WAS GIVEN A CHANCE TO
COME BACK TO IT LATER ON AND HE SAID IT EVEN MORE FLATLY. HE
SAID HE DID NOT WANT TO WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE. THAT IS AT ODDS
WITH WHAT WE HAVE SEEN REPORTED. BASICALLY, HE ANGLED TO GET SOME
KIND OF SIGNIFICANT JOB INCLUDING THE HIGHER RANKS OF THE WHITE
HOUSE IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. HE DID NOT SAY>>HE DID SAY SPECIFICALLY AND
VERY EMPHATICALLY THAT THE REASON THAT HE DID NOT WANT TO
BE CONSIDERED FOR A WHITE HOUSE JOB. THEY WERE UNDER UNDER
CLIENT ATTORNEY PRIVILEGE THAT IF HE WERE TO UNDERTAKE THIS
OTHER ROLE THAT IT MIGHT NOT CONTACT OTHER MEMBERS OF THE TRUMP
ORGANIZATION. I THINK HE WAS REFERRING TO TRUMP HIMSELF. SO,
HE WAS QUITE SPECIFIC IN RESPONDING TO THAT LINE OF
QUESTIONING AND THAT IS ANOTHER INCONSISTENCY BETWEEN WHAT HAS
BEEN REPORTED AND WHAT HE SAID UNDER OATH
TODAY. >>AND HOW DO WE EVEN GET TO
THAT POINT WERE YOU HAVE THAT REVIEW THAT SAYS THIS IS GOING
TO HURT US WITH ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE UNLESS THERE WAS — .
>>SOME SORT OF DIALOGUE ON THAT. IT WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE
TAKEN PLACE BEFORE YOU WERE ANALYZING THE LEGAL PROTECTIONS
THAT WOULD BE OFFERED TO THE PRESENT.
>>TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE ELEMENTS. WHAT WILL YOU BE
THINKING ABOUT AS YOU FINALLY COLLAPSED INTO BED TONIGHT AND
AS YOU MALL ALL OF THIS OVER. MARTY SOME OF THE QUESTIONS GO
FROM HERE WHERE DOES MICHAEL COHEN FIT
INTO THE CAMPAIGN. IS THERE A NEW LIST OF
QUESTIONS THAT YOU NEED TO GO AND GO OUT AND ASK AFTER THIS
HEARING? >>I THINK THAT WE HAVE NOT SEEN
THIS YET. THIS IS KIND OF THE FIRST TIME THAT WE HAVE SEEN
SOMEBODY WHO IS REALLY IN IN THIS ROLE. I DO WONDER IF THERE
IS A SHIFT AFTER THIS AND MORE OF THESE PEOPLE, FIRST OF ALL
AND OF PERHAPS MORE OF THEM YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE MICHAEL
FLYNN IS SOMEONE THAT HAS PLED GUILTY TO THERE IS CRIMES AND I
DON’T THINK — IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO
GET HIM ON THE HILL. BUT, I THINK THAT AROUND REPORTING IT
NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE WIKI LEAKS>>>WOULD BE VERY INTERESTING AND THEY ARE BOTH IMPORTANT.
BUT ONE CAN HAVE REAL IMPLICATIONS.
>>I THINK THE WAY THAT COHEN WAS DESCRIBED IT DOESN’T
PROVE CHARGES AGAINST PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. HE DIDN’T SAY EXPLICITLY, BUT IT
CAN BE HARD TO CHARGE PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP AND GET HIM
CONVICTED OF THAT.’S VERY DAMAGING. UNDERSTAND THAT TRUMP
WAS TELLING HIM TO LIE TO CONGRESS.
>>YOU WENT INTO THIS HEARING EXPECTING TESTIMONY FROM MICHAEL COHEN. HAVE YOU HEARD
ANY REALLY BIG NEWS HEADLINES. THINGS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN A
CHASING THAT YOU GOT SOME SENSE OF?>>SOME OF BOTH. THERE HAVE
BEEN A COUPLE OF THE SMALLER THINGS IN THE GROUND SCHEME OF
ALL THE BAD THINGS WE HAVE HEARD OF TODAY. THIS PAINTING THAT
TRUMP HAD COLIN PURCHASE. IF IT WAS TRUE
IT’S NOT ON THE CHARITY TAX RETURNS. AND IT COULD BE A BIG
DEAL. NOT THE BIGGEST DEAL TODAY. BUT MICHAEL COHEN TALKED
ABOUT THE STATEMENT OF FINANCIAL CONDITION. THIS IS TRUMPS A
BRAGGING PUT TO PAPER. WE HAVE SEEN THESE BEFORE AND
THERE WERE A FEW MORE THAT WE HAVEN’T SEEN. SOMETHING THAT HE
SAID THAT WAS INTERESTING IS HOW THEY ARE USED. THESE ARE NOT
AUDITED FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. THIS IS A BRAND IS WORTH $4
BILLION. BUT THEY WERE SHOWN TO INSURANCE COMPANIES TO SAY THAT PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP HAS A LOT
OF MONEY AND YOU DON’T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HIM PAYBACK YOU
SHOULD LOWER HIS PREMIUM. ONE OF THE DISCLAIMERS WAS THAT WE
ARE AN ACCOUNTING FIRM AND WE WROTE THINGS DOWN. WE DON’T
TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY. MAYBE THAT DISCLAIMER IS ENOUGH TO
SHIELD TRUMP FROM THE FACT THAT HE WAS DEFRAUDING THE INSURANCE
COMPANY. CERTAINLY IT SEEMS TO INDICATE THAT TRUMPS INTERACTION
INCLUDED IN TRYING TO DECEIVE THEM ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY HE HAD
TO PAY BACK. >>WE HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE
HEARING AND TALKING TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. WERE SEEN
SUCH A DIFFERENCE ON HOW DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ARE
APPROACHING THIS? >>Reporter: THAT IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THE
APPROACH TO QUESTIONING IS CERTAINLY DIFFERENT. WE ARE
SEEING THAT PARTISANSHIP AND DISPLAY. REPUBLICANS ARE ALIGNING WITH THE WHITE
HOUSE MESSAGING ON THIS HEARING. THEY ARE CHALLENGING HIM ON HIS
CREDIBILITY. THEY’RE SAYING HE’S A CON MAN AND A LIAR AND THEY
ARE NOT MEDIATING FROM THAT. THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT THAT,
AND HOW’S HE GOING TO GET INCOME? BOOK DEALS ? MOVIE DEALS? THEY ARE GIVING
HER REMAINING MINUTES TO REPRESENTATIVE FOR JORDAN FOR
HIM TO CONTINUE THE QUESTION. AND THEN YOU HAVE DEMOCRATS THAT
ARE TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET INSIGHT FROM SOMEONE WHO IS
A TRUMP INSIDER. A LONGTIME TRUMP INSIDER. WE REALLY
HAVEN’T HEARD ABOUT THE INNER WORKINGS THAT MICHAEL COHEN MIGHT. THE
DEMOCRATS ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF ASKING THESE QUESTIONS AND
HAVE A PLATFORM FOR THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT AND
MICHAEL COHEN’S BEHAVIOR. WE ARE HERE WAITING FOR THIS RECESS TO
END AND THE QUESTIONING TO RESUME. IT IS LIKELY THEY WILL
CONTINUE TO SEE THAT PLAY OUT FOR THE REST OF THE AFTERNOON.
BACK TO YOU WILL BE. >>THANK YOU RHONDA. WE STILL
HAVE A HANDFUL OF DEMOCRATS THAT HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO ASK
QUESTIONS. WE’VE GONE THROUGH ALL THE REPUBLICANS. MAGIC GAVE
HIS BEEN HANGING AROUND THE ROOM EVEN THOUGH HE’S NOT A MEMBER OF
20. EVERYONE THAT IS BEEN SCHEDULED HAS HAD THEIR MOMENT
AND OPPORTUNITY. WE HAVE SEEN THE REPUBLICANS DEFER TO JIM AND
JORDAN. THE RANKING REPUBLICAN TO GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO KEEP A
DRUMBEAT GOING. DO YOU GET THE SENSE THAT
REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS ARE GETTING SOMEWHERE WITH THEIR PR
THIS MOMENT, GETTING THE PUBLIC ON THEIR SIDE?
>>THE DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING COHEN TO
ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS. WE HAVE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT THE
POTENTIAL INCRIMINATING THINGS FROM PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP.
THE THING ABOUT THE REPUBLICANS , BUT IT’S FRUSTRATING ME ABOUT
THEIR QUESTIONING IS THE WAY TO SUCCEED IS TO USE
YOUR QUESTIONING TO BUILD THE STORY. AND THEN THE NEXT PERSON
ASKS THOSE QUESTIONS AND YOU BUILD THE STORY. IF YOU THINK
OF ANY TV LAWYER SHOW, YOU ASK QUESTIONS
THAT ELICIT MORE FACTS. AND THEN A BIG REVEAL AT THE END. IN
THE BENGHAZI HEARINGS THE REPUBLICANS WERE TERRIBLE.
THEY’RE NOT TRYING TO BUILD TOWARD EATING THE GOVERNMENT
HAVE THEIR PET CAUSE. AND NONE OF THE QUESTIONS LINKED TO ONE
ANOTHER. AND THEY HAVE TO DO WITH THE SAME THING. THERE’S
GOT TO BE SOMETHING MORE THAN THE BOOK DEAL. HE’S HAD A LONG
CAREER OF DOING SHADY THINGS FOR PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. AND IF
THEY THOUGHT ABOUT PLANNING THEIR ATTACK THEY COULD BE GETTING SOMEWHERE.
THEY ARE JUST AWAITING THE TIME.>>THE REPETITION OF BOOK DEAL,
BUT STILL, MOVIE DEAL. PLAYS INTO THEIR NARRATIVE AND CREATES
A NARRATIVE GOING OUT OF THIS. AND I THINK IT’S GOING TO PLAY
WELL TO TRUMP SUPPORTERS THAT COHEN IS IN THIS FOR HIMSELF.
AND THAT IS AFTER BOOK TO PICK THE FACT THAT HE WOULDN’T SAY
THAT HE WOULD NOT GET ONE. AND THAT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A BOOK
DEAL SHOPPING AROUND. IT DOES CREATE AN ECHO CHAMBER OF IF YOU REPEAT THE WORD BOOK
DEAL AND HALF TIMES IT JUST BECOMES A THING. IS THAT THEIR
STRATEGY? >>I THINK THAT’S THE STRATEGY
FOR PEOPLE WHO ALREADY LEAVE. IF YOU’RE TRYING TO UNDERMINE
PEOPLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. TO PEOPLE WHO WATCH A COUPLE OF
HIGHLIGHTS. LIKE THE MOVIE A FEW GOOD MEN. THEY BADGERED THE
CHARACTER WHERE HE BREAKS DOWN AN EMOTIONAL MOMENT. WHATEVER
IT IS IT GIVES YOU ONE MOMENT WHERE HE UNDERMINES HIMSELF.
REPEATING BOOK DEAL, BUT DEAL. IT WILL SATISFY PEOPLE TO
BELIEVE THAT MICHAEL COHEN IS BAD AND TURNED ON TRUMP. >>MARK MEADOWS IS TRYING TO GET
SOMEWHERE. SOME OF THE MEMBERS HAVE GIVEN THEIR TIME TO MARK
METALS. THERE DOES SEEM TO BE AN ATTEMPT BY REPUBLICANS TO
CATCH MICHAEL COHEN UP IN SOME SORT OF A LIE , SAYING THAT HE VIOLATED THE
LAW AND YOU WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. AND MORGAN HEAR
MORE ABOUT THIS LATER ON BECAUSE YOUR A CHARACTER AT FAULT.
>>HE’S A DIFFICULT WITNESS BECAUSE HE IS GOING TO PRISON.
HE ADMITTED THAT HE BROKE THE LAW AND LIE TO CONGRESS. HE’S
IN THIS MOMENT WHERE HE IS ALREADY ADMITTED. AND HE IS
GOING TO PRISON IN A COUPLE MONTHS.
>>THEY HAVE THE FORM THAT HE FILLED OUT. TO RELY ON THAT?
WERE THERE PROBLEMS THAT HE TURNED OVER
RECORDS THAT COULD VIOLATE CLIENT PRIVILEGE. THEY ARE
TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO SHOW THAT HE LIE TO CONGRESS
IN THE PAST AND THAT IS LYING TODAY. THEY ARE TRYING TO
REINFORCE THAT NARRATIVE THROUGH TECHNICAL THINGS TODAY.
>>SOME OF THE NEW DEMOCRATS IN THIS COMMITTEE LIKE KATIE HILL
HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FOLLOW A COHERENT AND FLUID WAY OF QUESTIONING. PEOPLE THAT
ARE BEEN AROUND LONGER HAVE STRUGGLED. SHE WAS ABLE TO DIG
IN AND GET MORE INFORMATION AND
DETAILS ABOUT THE PAYMENT ASSISTANT. THE HUSH MONEY
PAYMENTS. HOW MANY PAYMENTS WERE THERE AND HOW DID THEY
WORK? DID YOU LEARN SOMETHING NEW?
>>I DID. THERE OF A COUPLE OF INSTANCES WHERE RASKIN WAS
PUSHING COHEN BECAUSE I’M TALKING TO PROSECUTORS. THERE HAVE BEEN
SOME DEMOCRATS. MOSTLY THE NEWER ONES HAVE BEEN ABLE TO
PUSH AND TELL US MORE. AND I REALLY APPRECIATED THAT. CLAY FROM MISSOURI ASKED ABOUT
THE USE OF STATEMENTS. FOR FINANCIAL. THERE ARE SOME
PEOPLE WHO HAVE USED A VERY WELL. BUT MANY OF THE
CONGRESSMEN ARE NOT MEETING MY LOW EXPECTATIONS FOR
CONGRESSIONAL QUESTION. >>THE REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO
CREATE OPTICS. WHERE THEY HAVE POSTERS THAT ARE PULLING OUT
QUOTES THAT MICHAEL COHEN SAID OR THE TWEETS. SOME OF THAT
CREATES A CIRCUS ENVIRONMENT. AND IT DOESN’T SEEM TO BE RATTLING
THE WITNESS. >>HE DOES NOT SEEM TO BE A
RATTLE. HE SEEMS TO GET A LITTLE RILED UP. BRINGING HIS PUGNACIOUS STYLE.
BUT HE IS NOT KNOCKED OFF OF HIS MESSAGE. HE IS NOT BEEN
CONSULTING WITH HIS ATTORNEYS. I WAS WONDERING IF THAT WOULD BE A
CASE WHERE HE WOULD STOP AND CONSULT WITH ATTORNEYS TO SEE IF HE WAS GOING
TO SELF INCRIMINATE. HE SEEMS TO BE COMPETENT IN THE ANSWERS
THAT HE HAD GIVEN. IS ONLY CONSULTED ON A FEW SMALL
MATTERS. THEY ASKED ONCE YOU ASK YOUR LAWYERS AND IS LIKE
NOW. THEY’RE NOT THE ONES TESTIFYING.
>>I FIND IT SO INTERESTING THAT OTHER THAN BOOK DEAL. WE’VE
HEARD DAVIS IS NAME. WE’VE GOT THE BOOK DEAL. ALL
THESE TOUCHSTONES. AND ED DAVIS BEING
A BOGEYMAN. ANTERIOR POINT >>NO ONE OUTSIDE OF WASHINGTON,
D.C. KNOWS WHO THAT IS. HE SAID IT EVEN KNOW WHO MICHAEL
COHEN WAS BEFORE TODAY. HE DIDN’T EVEN SEEM TO HAVE AN
INDICATION OF WHO THE PLAYERS WERE.>>I THINK THE TACTICS THAT YOU
TALKED ABOUT THE CIRCUS ATMOSPHERE. THAT WAS COHEN’S
ROLE. IF IT WASN’T MICHAEL COHEN HE WOULD BE THERE
HARASSING THAT THE PERSON. IT MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT HE
WOULDN’T BE AROUND. HE LIKES THESE KIND OF TRICKS AND
INTIMIDATION.>>YOU TALK ABOUT THE HUMAN
DRAMA OF IT. HERE IS A GUIDE FOR THE LONGEST TIME WAS THE GUY
THAT MADE IT TRUMP’S PROBLEMS WOULD GO AWAY. AND HID ALL OF
TRUMPS DOINGS. HE REVELED IN THAT. AND HERE HE IS EXPOSING
THINGS ABOUT TRUMP AND HIS ORGANIZATION. THERE’S SOME RICH DRAMA THERE.
>>WE HAVE TO LET YOU GO IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES. THERE ARE SO
MANY STORIES THAT COME INTO PLAY THAT DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN ASKING
ABOUT. RATHER IT’S RUMORS OF A LOVE CHILD. SOME THINGS YOU
CAN’T EVEN BELIEVE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. I THINK #SEXY WAS MENTIONED IN CONGRESS
TODAY. >>THERE WERE QUESTIONS OF A
LOVE CHILD AND TRUMP PAIN FOR PROCEDURES. OR OTHER THINGS. HOW MUCH CAN WE
RELY ON COHEN. HE IS NOT SAYING THAT THE TAPE WAS A DOCTOR OR
WHAT IT WAS CLAIMED TO BE AND IT CAN’T EXIST. CASE IRONICALLY TALKING TO TRUMP
SCARED. >>I FOUND IT TO BE HELPFUL.
THERE COULD BE SOME THINGS THAT HE IS A LYING ABOUT. BUT WE HAVE
SEEN EVIDENCE THAT HE IS NOT BUYING MUCH. HE’S GOING TO SAY
IN THE SITUATION WITH NO INCENTIVE TO PROTECT PRESIDENT
DONALD TRUMP. TO SAY I DIDN’T SEE THAT THAT DOESN’T EXIST. I
THINK THAT’S REALLY VALUABLE. IT’S KIND OF A RUMOR
CLEARINGHOUSE. HE CAN ACTUALLY SPEAK TO THAT.
>>THANK YOU SO MUCH. LET YOU GO. EMILY WILL BE STICKING
AROUND AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE LINES OF
QUESTIONING THAT IS BEEN GOING ON AS WE WAIT FOR THE HEARING TO
RESUME., PLAY MORE TAPES FROM THE COMMITTEE HEARING. THIS
GOES TO THE SENSE OF TENSION THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE HAD WITH
THE WITNESS. IT STARTED RIGHT IN THE BEGINNING WITH JIM JORDAN
ASKING QUESTIONS. WATCH THIS. >>YOU JUST DEBATED A MEMBER OF
CONGRESS AND SAID I DIDN’T DO ANYTHING WRONG.
>>THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID, AND YOU KNOW THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAID.
I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY ACTIONS. I PLED GUILTY. SHAME ON YOU MR. JORDAN. THAT
IS NOT WHAT I SAID. THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID. I TOOK
RESPONSIBILITY AND I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. WHAT I WAS
DOING IS EXPLAINING TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT HIS FACTS ARE
INACCURATE. I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY MISTAKES.
I AM A REMORSEFUL AND I’M GOING TO PRISON.
>>DEFENDING HIMSELF AGAINST TIM
JORDAN. HE REALLY PUSH BACK AT THAT MOMENT.
>>I THINK THAT WAS A BIG MOMENT. TALKING ABOUT THE
DIFFERENT PERSONALITY TRAITS OF MICHAEL COHEN. HE WAS VERY
REPUGNANT. HOW DARE YOU. HE HAS HEARD THE SAME QUESTIONS
AGAIN AND AGAIN. HE GOT TO A CERTAIN POINT IN HIS TESTIMONY
IN RESPONSE TO THE QUESTIONING HE SAID NO ONE IS ASKING ME
QUESTIONS ABOUT TRUMP. I THOUGHT I WAS HERE TO TALK ABOUT
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. EVERYONE IS ASKING QUESTIONS
ABOUT ME. I’M NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT MYSELF I’M HERE TO TALK
ABOUT WHAT THE PRESIDENT DID. THAT’S AN INTERESTING RESPONSE. THE REPUBLICANS KEPT SAYING I CAN’T
BELIEVE WE ARE HERE. INSTEAD OF ASKING QUESTIONS.
>>LET’S TAKE A STEP BACK AND TALK ABOUT WHO MICHAEL COHEN IS
IN RELATIONSHIP TO TRUMP’S WORLD. AMERICANS HAVE BEEN SEEING AND
HEARING HIS NAME MORE AND MORE IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS. IF
YOU ARE A REPORTER OR SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN WATCHING YOU ARE ON
THE RECEIVING END OF THESE ATTACKS. WAS HE WAS A TRUMPET
DEFENDER. EXPLAINED TO US HOW WE HEAR ABOUT HIS TIME WORKING
FOR TRUMP FOR 10 YEARS.>>HE RECOUNTED HOW THEY MET.
THEY MET AT A BOARD MEETING FOR ONE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT TRUMP
OWNED THAT MICHAEL COHEN OWNED PROPERTY IN. AND MICHAEL COHEN CAME TO TRUMP’S
DEFENSE. IT SEEMED LIKE SUCH A TRUMPET, MANHATTAN REAL ESTATE
MOMENT. PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP LIKED
WHAT HE SAW AND MICHAEL COHEN AND THAT’S HOW WE CAME INTO THE
FOLD. HE LIKED THE WAY THAT MICHAEL
COHEN TREATED HIM. AND HE LIKED HIS STYLE. HE BROUGHT HIM INTO
THE ORGANIZATION IN 2006, AND DESCRIBED THE RELATIONSHIP
IS VERY CLOSE. THAT THEY TRAVELED TOGETHER MANY TIMES. HE SOUNDED LIKE HE WAS THE RIGHT
BRAIN OF PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. HE SAID HE KNEW WHAT TRUMP
WANTED, NEEDED BEFORE HE WAS EVEN ASKED. AND HE SOUNDED LIKE
HE PLAYED AN INDISPENSABLE ROLE. SOME OF THIS MIGHT BE MICHAEL
COHEN SELF AGGRANDIZING HIS ROLE. BUT AS YOU ARE GOING TO
SEE TRUMP DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM MICHAEL COHEN. MUCH AS HE HAS
WITH OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN DISGRACED. AND ALL OF
A SUDDEN THEY ARE THE GUY THAT IS BRINGING COFFEE. HE TRIED TO
DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM MICHAEL COHEN. BUT GIVEN HIS TESTIMONY
TODAY THE ROLE HE PLAYED FOR THE PRESIDENT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO
MAKE THAT DISTINCTION. >>LET’S TALK ABOUT WHO HAS A
CHANCE YET TO ASK QUESTIONS. WE EXPECT TO SEE FIVE MORE
DEMOCRATS GET A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS, WE GET A SENSE OF WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR. THESE ARE
CLOSELY WATCHED MEMBERS OF CONGRESS. WHEN I HAVE BEEN ON
THE HILL. CORTEZ IS MOBBED BY ONLOOKERS. THEY’RE
VERY EAGER TO HEAR WHAT SHE SAYS AND DOES. IT’S NOT JUST THE
DEMOCRATS IT’S REPUBLICANS AS WELL. THERE WILL BE A LOT OF
FOCUS. IT’S LEGITIMATE TO KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE A LOT OF
FOCUS ON WHAT THEY ASK.>>THERE CERTAINLY IS. AND I
THINK THAT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS IN THOSE EXCHANGES IT’S
GOING TO BE HUGE AND THE SOCIAL MEDIA. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE
PAYING ATTENTION TO THE LINES OF QUESTIONING. AND HE GOES TO THE
THEME THAT THE CHAIRMAN TALK ABOUT. THE ERA WHERE THERE WAS
NO OVERSIGHT FOR THIS COMMITTEE. THOSE DAYS ARE OVER. BY THE
FACT THAT YOU HAVE THIS LENGTHY LIST OF DEMOCRATS THAT
WILL COME BACK AND HAVE AN EXTENDED RUN AT MICHAEL COHEN
WITH NO PING-PONG BACK TO REPUBLICANS WHO IS GOING TO TRY TO UNDERMINE HIM
AND UNDERCUT THE MESSAGE. A STRING OF DEMOCRATS WITH A RUN
AT MICHAEL COHEN. >>THAT’S A GREAT POINT. AND
THE REASON WHY DEMOCRATS HAVE MORE TIME IS BECAUSE THEY HOLD
THE MAJORITY AND HAVE MORE MEMBERS IN THE COMMITTEE. THE
DEMOCRATS WILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY UNLESS CHAIRMAN
CUMMINGS DEVIATES FROM THAT. THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DEVELOP A
RHYTHM AND A FLOW. THEY CAN HANG OFF THAT LAST ROUND OF
QUESTIONS AND TURN TO A NEW TOPIC. IT FEELS A LITTLE MORE
COHESIVE. >>THAT IS THE PRIVILEGE OF THE
MAJORITY. AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE SEEN IN PREVIOUS TIMES WHEN
THERE WERE OVERSIGHT HEARINGS. YOU SAW THEM IN DIFFERENT.
>>WE ARE BRING YOU LIVE COVERAGE OF THE HOUSE COMMITTEE.
WE EXPECTED TO GET STARTED IN 15 MINUTES. THERE ON A BRIEF
RECESS TO TAKE A BREAK AND TAKE A VOTE. AND CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS
SAID THAT THEY WOULD COME BACK IN ABOUT 35 MINUTES. THAT’S HOW
THE PROCESS GOES. YOU HAVE TO JUGGLE THE VOTES WITH GETTING
THESE HEARINGS GOING. AND THE HUMAN REALITY THAT EVERYBODY
NEEDS A LITTLE BREAK. WE HAVEN’T HEARD ANY INDICATION
THAT THERE WILL BE ANOTHER ROUND OF QUESTION. BUT THAT’S AT THE
DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN. HE COULD DECIDE TO THROW IN MORE
ITEMS AND GIVE REPUBLICANS A CHANCE TO DO THAT. OR THEY
COULD WRAP UP AFTER THESE LAST FIVE DEMOCRATS.
>>THAT WILL BE A LONG TIME FOR MICHAEL COHEN TO BE ON THE HOT
SEAT IF THEY HAVE A NEW ROUND OF QUESTIONS. THAT MEANS DEMOCRATS
AND REPUBLICAN COUNTERPARTS WOULD HAVE A CHANCE. IF THEY
RESTART THIS CLOCK THAT COULD MEAN FOR A VERY LONG AFTERNOON.
>>WE HAVEN’T HEARD THAT THAT IS HAPPENING. BUT THAT IS AT THE
PLEASURE OF CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS. IT’S BEEN SIGNIFICANT TO WATCH
THE DEMOCRATS AND MAJORITY. THEY CAN CHOOSE WHAT WITNESSES
COME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE, BUT THEY CAN SEE HOW THE COMMITTEE
DEALS WITH THE WITNESSES AND HOW THEY DEAL THEM, WHO GETS
AIRTIME. >>THERE WAS SOME PROCEDURAL
WRANGLING AT THE TOP OF THIS HEARING WITH REPUBLICANS TRYING
TO TABLE THIS. THAT WAS QUASHED VERY QUICKLY. THAT IS THE
PRIVILEGE OF THE MAJORITY PARTY.>>EMILY, THE TAKE AWAY FROM
THIS MAY BE THE NEXT STEP. SO WHO ALSO SHOULD WE BE TALKING TO
YOU? WHO WILL SURELY BE ASKING QUESTIONS. HE’S DROPPED SOME
NAMES OF PEOPLE RELATED TO THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER. THIS MAY
GIVE DEMOCRATS THE NEXT BREAD COMES CRUMBS TO FOLLOW. WE EVEN
HEARD MEMBERS OF THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION REFERENCED AS
PEOPLE IT COULD CORROBORATE. >>AS CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS SAID
THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS, NOT TO THE END. THEY
WANTED TO HEAR WHAT MICHAEL COHEN HAD TO SAY, NOT BECAUSE
THERE WOULD BE EXPLOSIVE PROOF OF WRONGDOING, BUT THAT IT IS
THE BEGINNING OF THE COMMITTEE OVERSIGHT AND BROAD
JURISDICTION. NAMES HAVE BEEN MENTIONED. AND WE WILL SEE IF
THE COMMITTEE HAS MORE REQUESTS FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO BE IN THE
HOT SEAT AS WELL. >>LET’S HEAD BACK TO CAPITOL
HILL TO RHONDA COLDEN. I LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT WHAT THE
ATMOSPHERE THERE IS LIKE? ALL PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN LINING UP
ALL DAY TO HEAR MICHAEL COHEN IN PERSON? UNDERSTAND THERE’S AN
OVERFLOW ROOM THERE? WHAT IS A LIKE IN PERSON?
>>IT’S EXACTLY HOW IT WAS THIS MORNING. PEOPLE ARE ENGAGED AND
ENTHUSIASTIC. THE HALLWAY IS STILL FULL. THERE’S A FRENCH
FRESH LINE OF PEOPLE TRYING TO GET HIM. THIS IS SIDNEY THORNE.
SHE HAS BEEN TO OTHER HEARINGS. THE WHITAKER HEARING
A FEW WEEKS AGO. AND SHE HAS BEEN WATCHING THE HEARINGS IN
THE OVERFLOW ROOM. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS AS FAR AS WHAT YOU
HAVE HEARD FROM MICHAEL COHEN TODAY
>>I THINK IT’S BEEN VERY INTERESTING. I FIND HIM
CREDIBLE. I THINK HE KNOWS IF HE LIES AGAIN THAT THERE ARE
SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES. WHETHER THAT IS WHY I DO NOT KNOW. WHEN
I SAW CALL ME HE COMES WITH THE CREDIBILITY AND
STATURE. WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE GOING TO JAIL IN A FEW MONTHS
AND A LOT OF THE HEARING IS TRYING TO DENIGRATE HIS
CHARACTER. IT’S A WHOLE DIFFERENT FEELING AND AGENDA. A
LITTLE BIT OF THEATER GOING ON IN THEIR>>AS AN AVERAGE CITIZEN WHY IS
IT IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO BE HERE ON A DAY LIKE THIS? YOU SAID YOU
BEEN HERE SINCE 5:15 AM? >>I HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 5:15
AM. BUT I DO NOT MAKE IT INTO THE HEARING. THIS IS MY LAST
DITCH ATTEMPT. I THINK TO SEE THE PROCESS IN PERSON IS MY
CIVIC DUTY. I FEEL THEM LEARNING SO MUCH. IT’S VERY
EDUCATIONAL. TO HEAR COLIN COHEN SAY THAT ANYONE WHO FALLS
UNDER TRUMP SPELL COULD BE IN THE SAME
POSITION THAT I AM IN. COULD BE BREAKING THE LAW, OR LOSING THEIR COMFORTABLE LIFE
IS SOMEHOW. I THINK THAT IS A SERIOUS AND IMPORTANT STATEMENT.
I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT NEED TO THINK VERY
CAREFULLY ABOUT LOSING THEIR INDEPENDENCE OF THOUGHT AND
ACTION. >>THANK YOU FOR TELLING US WHY
YOU’RE HERE TODAY. >>SHE REPRESENTS A LOT OF
PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE MET AND SCENE. I’VE BEEN IN THAT OVERFLOW ROOM.
IT IS PACKED. WHEN I FIRST GOT IN THE DOOR WOULD NOT SHUT
BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO CRAM IN. THERE WERE
TWO SCREENS, PEOPLE WERE GLUED TO IT. YOU WOULD THINK AFTER
HOURS OF TALKING PEOPLE WOULD BE TIRED AND WANT TO GO HOME.
THAT’S NOT THE CASE. WILL CONTINUE TO TALK TO PEOPLE TO
FIND OUT WHY IT’S IMPORTANT TO BE PART OF THE STATE. BACK TO
YOU LIBBY. >>EMILY AND I ARE JOINED BY JAN RIVER. WHAT STICKS OUT TO
YOU? >>I THINK GOING INTO THIS
HEARING WE HAD AN OPENING STATEMENT AND AN INDICATION OF
WHAT MICHAEL COHEN WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT. AND WHAT WE KNEW
ALREADY. I THINK TWO OF THE BIGGER REVELATIONS THAT HAVE
COME OUT. HE SAID HE DID NOT GO TO THE PROD. IT’S A SIGNIFICANT
WHICH INDICATED THAT HE WAS IN PRAGUE MEETING WITH RUSSIAN
INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS DURING THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN AND
THE BUZZFEED STORY THAT CAME OUT LAST MONTH THAT SAID THAT THE
BUZZFEED REPORTED THAT PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP DIRECTED HIM TO LIE. HE SEEMS
TO SUGGEST THAT HE HAD INTERPRETED SOMETHING FROM
TRUMP. IT’S STILL UNCLEAR WHAT THAT EXACTLY WAS. WE KNOW THAT WHITE HOUSE LAWYERS HAVE TWEAKED
HIS TESTIMONY IN TERMS OF THAT TIMETABLE, AND HOW LONG THOSE
DISCUSSIONS WERE GOING ON. THOSE ARE OBVIOUSLY TWO CRUCIAL
ELEMENTS THAT WE PRESUME THAT SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER
WILL INVESTIGATE AND COME UP WITH A CONCLUSION AS TO WHETHER
THOSE THINGS ARE TRUE. THE BUZZFEED STORY WAS SO
SIGNIFICANT. IF TRUMP DIRECTED COHEN TO LIE, THAT WOULD BE A
CLEAR EXAMPLE OF OBSTRUCTION OF
JUSTICE. >>A REMINDER OF WHAT MICHAEL
COHEN IS GOING TO PRISON FOR LYING TO CONGRESS BUT THAT’S A
REALLY IMPORTANT POINT, THAT WE GET A SENSE OF THE EDITING THAT
MAY HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN TERMS OF STATEMENTS THAT TRUMP WAS
MENTIONED. HE MENTIONED SEKULOW, THE ATTORNEY FOR JARED KUSHNER HE ALSO MENTIONED LOWELL.
>>HE SAID THAT JAY SEKULOW, ONE OF THE CHANGES WAS THE LENGTH
OF TIME THAT THE MOSCOW PROJECT WAS ACTIVE. THAT IS A CLIP THAT WE
WILL REVISIT FOR SURE I THINK THE MOMENT MIGHT PROVIDE SOME CLARITY ABOUT
AN EXCHANGE THAT HE HAD TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY. WHO WAS IN
THE ROOM? AND WHAT EXACTLY WAS HE DIRECTED TO DO. WHAT CHANGES
WERE MADE TO HIS TESTIMONY. HE ALSO SAID IN RESPONSE TO ANOTHER
QUESTION THAT HE WOULD BE WILLING TO PROVIDE HIS ORIGINAL
DRAFT. WHICH WOULD INDICATE WHAT OTHER CHANGES, WHITE HOUSE
ATTORNEYS HAD SUGGESTED THAT HE MAKE ON BEHALF OF THE PRESIDENT.
>>HE SEEMED TO BE UNSURE, SUGGESTING A TIMETABLE BUT HE
WASN’T ABLE TO GIVE SPECIFICS. IN TERMS OF WHAT THOSE CHANGES
WERE. WITCHES OBVIOUSLY SIGNIFICANT FOR REASONS THAT WE
OUTLINED. I THINK THE OTHER TAKE AWAY IS THAT IT IS CLEAR
THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE APPROACHED THIS HEARING TRYING TO DISCREDIT
MICHAEL COHEN. THAT HAS CLEARLY BEEN THE STRATEGY OF THE
REPUBLICAN SIDE OF THE AISLE. WE HAVE SEEN IT TAKE SHAPE IN A
FEW DIFFERENT WAYS. TALKING ABOUT FALSE APPLICATIONS OF BANK
LOANS. WE’VE SEEN IT TAKE PLACE ASKING
ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT HE HAD BOOK OR TV DEALS IN THE WORKS. A
NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ON THAT FRONT. IT IS A STRIKING
DIFFERENCE IN QUESTIONS FROM DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS IN
THIS HEARING. I THINK EVERYTHING THAT WAS
STRIKING THAT WE SAW A FEW PEOPLE MENTION ON TWITTER AND
SOCIAL MEDIA WAS HOW LONG IT TOOK TO GET INTO SOME OF THE
QUESTION. THE QUESTIONING ABOUT PRAGUE WAS IN THE FOURTH R.
VERY DEEP IN THE HEARING. >>EVERYONE SAID NO NOW IT’S
HAPPY. SOMETHING WE WERE WAITING FOR.
>>THERE IS STILL A FEW OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS THAT WE AS
REPORTERS WOULD LIKE TO GET THE ANSWERS TO. WE WILL SEE IF IN
THE REMAINING QUESTIONS WHETHER THOSE GET BROUGHT TO THE
FOREFRONT.>>YOU LAID OUT SO WELL WHAT IS
HAPPENING THIS WEEK. MICHAEL COHEN BEHIND CLOSED DOORS
YESTERDAY IN THE SAME THING TOMORROW. THIS IS THE MOMENT
THAT WE GET TO SEE MORE QUESTION. WE WILL GET SOME SENSE OF IT.
BUT A LOT OF IT HAPPENING OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC EYE. WHERE THAT INFORMATION GOES WILL
BE THE BIG QUESTION. HE ADMITTED TO LYING TO ONE OF
THESE COMMITTEES. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HE HAS BEEN
PRESSED AND TO SOME DEGREE. REPUBLICANS HAVE USE THAT AS A
MARKER THAT HE CANNOT BE TRUSTED. HE HAS PERJURED
HIMSELF. WE ARE HEARING FROM HIM, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW HE LIED
TO CONGRESS. THE BOOK DEAL THING IS A
FASCINATING. FAR BE IT FROM A MEMBER OF CONGRESS OR SOMEONE IN
WASHINGTON KNOCK A GOOD BOOK DEAL, OR CABLE TV DEAL. OR SOME
SORT OF A MOVIE DEAL. >>IT IS THE WASHINGTON WAY.
THERE IS A RICH TRADITION OF THE GUY THAT DOES WRONG FINDS
REDEMPTION AND WRITES ABOUT. WRITING A BOOK IS THE WASHINGTON
THING. AND THE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ACTING OUTRAGED. I
THINK A BOOK DEAL IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE HOPING
FOR AT SOME POINT. SO IT IS VERY CYNICAL.>>AND THERE’S THE QUESTION
ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT A BOOK DEAL DIMINISHES CREDIBILITY. IT
DOESN’T NECESSARILY LINEUP. WE’VE SEEN MEMBERS OF CONGRESS
THAT WERE ALLIES GO ON TO GET CONTRACTS ON CABLE NEWS AND
OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. AND WE CAN GET TO THE QUESTION ABOUT
WHAT WILL YOU NOT TO DO? INCLUDING RUNNING FOR OFFICE IN
NEW YORK. >>HE WOULD RULE OUT RUNNING FOR
OFFICE, BOOK DEALS, TV DEALS IT WAS A STRIKING. THE
REPETITIVENESS OF THE QUESTIONS, AND CLARIFYING THINGS THAT HE
HAS FROM THE GET GO. WE SAW LINES OF QUESTIONING FROM
BOTH ASIDES THAT WERE CLARIFYING THOSE THINGS FURTHER. SOMETIMES
SPENDING A MINUTE OR TWO ON THOSE THINGS INSTEAD OF QUICK
CLARIFICATION. AT TIMES THE QUESTIONING HAS BEEN BAFFLING FOR LACK OF A
BETTER WORD. THE OTHER THING THAT I SAW SOME CONSERVATIVES POINTING TO, IT’LL BE
INTERESTING TO SEE IF IT EXTENDS THROUGH THE REST THE WEEK WAS
WHETHER OR NOT MICHAEL COHEN WAS ANGLING FOR WHITE HOUSE JOB.
THERE WAS A LOT OF REPORTING THAT INDICATES THAT HE WAS. HE
TOLD JIM JORDAN THAT HE WAS NOT. AS YOU WOULD IMAGINE THERE’S GOT
TO BE SOME SORT OF DOCUMENTATION OUT THERE, EMAILS, TEXT MESSAGES
AND MAYBE WHITE HOUSE THE DOCUMENTS THAT HE WAS EMAILING
THE CHIEF OF STAFF FOR SOMEONE IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
WHETHER IT’S A WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL’S JOB OR THE CHIEF OF
STAFF AND IF THAT TURNS OUT TO BE TRUE THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER
STRIKE IN HIS CREDIBILITY. WHICH AS YOU LAID OUT HAS BEEN
ON THE FOREFRONT ESPECIALLY IN THAT REPUBLICAN LINE OF
QUESTION. >>IT’S PROBABLY GOING TO EVOLVE
AS MORE STORIES COME OUT. AND IT WILL GIVE CREDENCE TO EITHER
SIDE OF THE AISLE. >>I JUST SAW A REACTION FROM
STORMY DANIELS. SAYING THAT I MAY OR MAY NOT COMMENT FURTHER.
BUT I WILL NOT ISSUE ANOTHER STATEMENT OR AT ANSWER QUESTIONS
TODAY. I WAIT UNTIL ALL TESTIMONY IS DONE. INTERESTING
THAT SHE IS NOT GOING TO WEIGH IN ON THIS. BOTH OF TRUMPS SONS
DID TWEET ABOUT THE WHITE HOUSE A JOB. BOTH OF THEM SAYING THAT HE ABSOLUTELY WANTED A
WHITE HOUSE JOB. DO THEY HAVE DOCUMENTATION? THAT WILL BE THE
THING THAT WE WILL WAIT AND SEE WHAT COMES OUT IN THE NEXT FEW
DAYS. IF THERE ARE THOSE EMAILS THAT WILL QUESTION HIS CREDIBILITY.
>>YOU MENTIONED THE TRUMP FAMILY. IT IS, BUT A COUPLE OF
DIFFERENT WAYS.THE TESTIMONY THAT MICHAEL COHEN ROAD OUT.
WAS VERY DISMISSIVE OF DONALD JUNIOR. AND HOW PRESIDENT
DONALD TRUMP FEELS ABOUT HIS A SON.
>>IT WAS VERY WOUNDING. AND DIFFICULT TO LISTEN TO. THERE
WAS ALSO THIS A TINY MOMENT. THERE WAS SO MUCH HAPPENING IN
THIS DISCUSSION WITH MICHAEL COHEN TALK ABOUT THE
PRESIDENT. IT WAS DURING A DISPUTE ON THE BOARD. HE SAID
HE BROUGHT THEM INTO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. AND HE HANDLED
SOMETHING FOR HIM. AND THEN THE SECOND THING HE HANDLED WAS
SOMETHING THAT DONALD JR. HAD GOTTEN WRONG. ANY CLAIM TO
CLEAN UP DONALD JR.’S MESS A LITTLE DIG AT THE PRESIDENTS
SON. WHICH ECHOED A GIANT DIG IN THE OPENING STATEMENT WHICH
WAS QUITE A DAMNING .
>>I THINK IT WAS FASCINATING TO HEAR COHEN GO INTO DETAIL. WE’VE
SEEN A LOT OF THAT REPORTING CONFIRM. FOR HIM TO GO INTO
DETAIL ON HOW HE IS BEEN THE FIXER FOR THE
FAMILY ALL THESE YEARS. USING FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FOR
INSURANCE CLAIMS AND TRUMPS NET WORTH. AND TALKING TO
NEWSPAPERS SO THAT HE COULD INFLATE THE VALUE. IT WAS
FASCINATING TO SEE HIM GO INTO DETAIL ON THINGS THAT ARE SMALL
ENOUGH ON THE PERIPHERY THINGS THAT ARE AT THE HEART OF THIS
INVESTIGATION AND THIS OVERSIGHT HEARING.
>>IT IS A PEEK INSIDE THE CURTAIN AND IT GIVES YOU A SENSE
OF WHAT LIFE WAS LIKE INSIDE THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. THE
EVERYTHING FROM THOSE LITTLE MOMENTS OF WHAT HE DID, WHERE
HIS OFFICE WAS, HOW HE GOT A HOLD OF THE PRESIDENT. THESE
ADD TO THE PICTURE OF THIS ORGANIZATION. SOME OF THESE ARE
NOT CENTRAL TO LEGAL QUESTIONS. BUT THEY GO TO
OUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT HAS BEEN A VERY OPAQUE ORGANIZATION.
>>THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT LEAKS COMING OUT AND PEOPLE DESCRIBING WHAT A CULTURE IS LIKE. WHEN
YOU HAVE SOMEBODY TESTIFY UNDER OATH BEFORE CONGRESS AND THE
SAME SOMETHING LIKE WHAT STRUCK ME WAS THAT PRESIDENT DONALD
TRUMP SAID THAT DONALD JR. HAD THE WORST JUDGMENT OF ANYONE IN
THE WORLD. DONALD JR. LAUGHED IT OFF AND A
TWITTER AND WAS A STRIKING BACK AT COHEN BUT TO HAVE THAT IN
THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORD IS THE NEXT LEVEL. AND THE CONTEXT
THAT CAME UP AND WAS VERY IMPORTANT. HE WAS ASKED IF HE KNOWS OF
DIRECT EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA. AND HE SAID I DO
NOT. I HAVE MY SUSPICIONS. AND THEN HE GOES ON TO DETAIL AND
EPISODE WHERE HE FOUND OUT IN THE SUMMER OF 2017. HE WAS
READING THAT THERE HAD BEEN A MEETING ABOUT TRUMP TOWER IN A
RUSH AND HE GOES BACK AND TALKS ABOUT THE INTERACTION BETWEEN
DONALD JR. AND HIS FATHER. AND IS SPECULATING THAT:THE BEEN THE
MOMENT. >>THERE IS DEFINITE SPECULATION IN HIS TESTIMONY.
THERE WERE A FEW TIMES WHEN HE SEEMED TO CATCH HIMSELF AND SAY
I’M GOING TO STAY AWAY FROM THAT QUESTION OR DANCE AROUND IT
BECAUSE I DON’T WANT TO GET INTO TOO MUCH SPECULATION. HE SAID
HE DOESN’T HAVE DIRECT EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION BETWEEN THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIA. WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR CONFIRMATION
ON THESE BIGGER STORIES THAT WE DISCUSSED. WHETHER COHEN WAS OVERSEAS IN PRAGUE
AND, AND IF TRUMP DIRECTED HIM TO LIE ABOUT TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW.
AND EVEN THE WICKEDLY IT IS STILL UNCLEAR WHETHER THAT
WOULD PROVE THE CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY, THE LEGAL STANDARD , DID HE KNOW THAT IT WAS
RUSSIANS OR DID YOU JUST KNOW THAT WIKILEAKS WERE PLANNING. THERE
ARE A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.
>>AND WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS MICHAEL COHEN PROVIDING CRUCIAL
PIECES TO THE PUZZLE. AND SOME INTERESTING BACKGROUND PIECES.
THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER PARTS THAT HAVE TO BE FILLED IN BEFORE
EVERYONE HAS A BOWL PICTURE AND WHETHER THAT IS THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE. THERE ARE A LOT OF UNKNOWNS BUT HE IS FILLING IN
THESE BITS. THERE WAS A LOT OF ATTENTION YESTERDAY BECAUSE A
CONGRESSMAN TWEETED ABOUT MICHAEL COHEN THAT A LOT OF
PEOPLE READ AS A THREAT. SAYING DEAR WIFE
AND FATHER-IN-LAW KNOW ABOUT YOUR GIRLFRIENDS. HE LATER TOOK
DOWN THE TWEET. LET’S LOOK WHAT THE CONGRESSMAN HAD TO
SAY. >>I GUESS TOMORROW WE WILL FIND
OUT IF THERE IS ANYONE THAT MICHAEL COHEN HAS NOT LIGHTLY.
HE LIED TO THE IRS, CONGRESS, BANKS, AND HE’S GOING TO PRISON
FOR LINE. I GUESS IT WILL BE RELEVANT TO DETERMINE IF HE
LIES TO HIS OWN FAMILY? DOES HE LIE TO HIS OWN FINANCIERS, AND
IT WILL BE AN INQUIRY SOMEONE WHO IS TANGLED SUCH A WEB OF LIES THAT
HE CANNOT BE BELIEVED. IT’S IN APPROPRIATE TO CHALLENGE THE
TRUTHFULNESS AND CHARACTER FOR THE PEOPLE WHO
HAVE A HISTORY OF LYING AND A FUTURE THAT CONTAINS NOTHING BUT
LIES. THAT IS A STORY OF MICHAEL COHEN . WE WILL SEE IT PLAY OUT
TOMORROW. AND I CANNOT WAIT TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THINGS, AND
CANNOT WAIT TO GET TO THE TRUTH.>>LOTS OF MUDSLINGING GOING ON AND
TWITTER. >>WHETHER A CONGRESSMAN IS CONSIDERED WITNESS TAMPERING,
HE TOOK IT DOWN AND APOLOGIZED AND DOUBLED DOWN ON HIS
ACCUSATIONS UNDERMINING THE CREDIBILITY OF MICHAEL COHEN. IT
WAS STRIKING AS MICHAEL COHEN WAS HEADED TO THE
WITNESS CHAIR. IT IS SOMETHING THAT CONGRESS IS GOING TO HAVE
TO GRAPPLE WITH. AS THEY MOVE FORWARD. IT’S SOMETHING THAT WE
WILL SEE MORE OF WITH THE DEMOCRATS EXERCISING THE
OVERSIGHT PEOPLE ARE USED TO MOUTHING OFF ON TWITTER. THIS
IS PART OF THE DIALOGUE AND ONE OF THE INSTANCES WHERE IT
COULD’VE CROSSED THE LINE. >>AND THE CONGRESSMAN FROM
VIRGIN ISLANDS CONDEMN THAT. AND CALLED HIM OUT FOR WHAT HE
SAID WAS TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE. >>WE’VE HEARD THIS BEFORE.
>>AS MICHAEL COHEN DECLINED TO APPEAR BEFORE CONGRESS IT WAS
FOR A FEW REASONS. WHAT HE SAID WAS
PRESIDENTIAL THREATS. SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DO YOU
FEEL LIKE YOUR LIFE IS THREATENED. OR YOUR REPUTATION?
CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR FAMILY. HE DIDN’T ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON
THAT TODAY. WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO BE HIM.
>>THERE WAS A LINE OF QUESTIONING AS TO WHETHER HE HAD
DELAYED THE HEARING BECAUSE HE WAS CONSULTED BY JOHN DEAN TO
DELAY FOR MAXIMUM IMPACT. IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE HIM GO
INTO THOSE DETAILS AND TALK ABOUT THE THREATS AND GET VERY
EMOTIONAL IN HIS TESTIMONY. THIS IS SOMEONE THAT HE IS BEEN
LOYAL TO FOR OVER A DECADE. AS HE ADMITTED WHEN HE WAS
DISCUSSING WHY HE RECORDED TRUMP. WEARING A WIRE. HE
DIDN’T EXPECT TO USE THAT. AND HE INDICATED THAT HE FORGOTTEN
THAT HE HAD THE RECORDING. FOR COHEN THIS IS GOT TO BE A
WHIRLWIND IN THIS POSITION HE FINDS HIMSELF IN. YOU SEE THE
REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE TWEET SOMETHING OUT ABOUT HOW HE
IS A LIAR AND HAS BEEN CONVICTED THIS IS THE SAME COMMITTEE THAT
HIRED HIM AS A FINANCE CHAIR. >>THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TODAY BY
ONE OF THE DEMOCRATS. THERE IS THIS WANT ON THE SIDE
OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO TASK COHEN AS THE LONE WOLF SOMEONE WHO WAS THIS GUY FROM
NEW YORK, TRUMP SKY. THAT HE HAD BEEN BROUGHT INTO THE FOLD
OF THE RNC. HE MIGHT NOT HAVE GOTTEN A WHITE
HOUSE JOB. BUT HE CERTAINLY HAD A POLITICAL ROLE, NOT JUST A
PRIVATE ROLE IN A TRUMPS ORGANIZATION.
>>HE WAS ALSO ONE OF TRUMPS MAIN SURROGATES DURING THE 2016
CAMPAIGN. EVERYONE REMEMBERS THE INFAMOUS EXCHANGE AND CNN
ASKING WHAT POLLS THEY WERE REFERRING TO? REMEMBER
HIM GOING ON FOX NEWS REPEATEDLY TO DISCUSS TRUMP, HILLARY, AND
EVERYTHING. THIS WAS SOMEONE WHO DID NOT SHY AWAY FROM
CAMERAS OR CONFRONTATION WITH REPORTERS. THERE WERE STORIES
ABOUT SOMEONE WHO’S BEEN IN THE LIMELIGHT.>>INSIDE THERE ARE MOMENTS OF
TRUTH. ONE OF THE REPUBLICANS WAS CRITICIZING HIM AND SAYING
THAT HE WAS DOING THIS TO GET ON TV. AND HE SAID I’VE ALREADY
BEEN ON TV. HAVE YOU SEE ME ON TV? BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE. HE WAS REPRESENTING PRESIDENT
DONALD TRUMP AND AIR. WE ARE SEEING THE HOUSE PROCEED WITH
THEIR VOTES. WE ANTICIPATE THE HEARING TO START SHORTLY.
CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS SAID THAT THEY WOULD COME BACK 30 MINUTES AFTER
THE LAST ROUND STARTED. WE SHOULD SEE THEM RETURN PRETTY
SOON. AND TO REMIND YOU, WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT FIVE DEMOCRATS
THAT HAVEN’T HAD A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS. WE EXPECT THAT
CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS WILL GIVE THOSE A FIVE DEMOCRATS THE
OPPORTUNITY GET THEIR QUESTIONS IN. AND THEN THE HEARING MAY
WRAP UP AT THAT POINT? HE MAY DECIDE TO EXTEND TO GET A FEW
MORE ROUNDS IN BEFORE BOTH SIDES TO HEAR FROM REPUBLICANS AND
DEMOCRATS PICK THERE IS A BALANCE. BECAUSE OF THE SHEER
NUMBERS OF THE DEMOCRATS ARE ON THE COMMITTEE. THEY OWN THE
FLOOR AT THIS POINT. AND THEY WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO GET IN AND
COHERENT LINE OF QUESTIONING AS MICHAEL COHEN RETURNS TO THE
COMMITTEE HEARING. :LET’S TALK ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE
OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD. PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP IS IN
VIETNAM, IT IS THE MIDDLE THE NIGHT THERE. SO FAR HE’S HAD
SOME BIG MOMENTS WITH KIM JONG UN. YOU SAW THAT EARLIER. LAST
NIGHT, YOU CAN SEE THE PRESIDENT TALKING AND HEAR
THE AUDIO. THEY SAT DOWN FOR A DINNER LAST NIGHT IN HANOI.
THIS MORNING OUR TIME ON EAST COAST. EVEN
THIS OPTIC IS A REMARKABLE. I THINK WE WOULD’VE THOUGHT THAT
IS INCONCEIVABLE TO SEE THE PRESENT UNITED STATES SITTING
DOWN AT THE DINNER TABLE WITH NICE FLOWERS, WITH THE DICTATOR,
THE RULER OF NORTH KOREA. IS JUST INCREDIBLE. IT’S GETTING
LOST IN THE SNOOZE MOMENT. >>AND THE FACT THAT THAT’S NOT
THE TOP TOPIC JUST GOES TO THE HEART OF HOW DRAMATIC THE ANTICIPATION FOR MICHAEL
COHEN’S TEST MONEY. WE ARE SO FOCUSED ON MICHAEL COHEN. AND
YET IS VERY MOMENTOUS MEETING IS HAPPENING ACROSS THE WORLD.
AND WHAT ARE WE FOCUSED ON? I THINK THAT HAS TO BOTHER THE
PRESIDENT TREMENDOUSLY. I THINK HE WAS HOPING TO HAVE
THIS HISTORIC MOMENT, BUT IT IS BEING STEPPED ON BY MICHAEL
COHEN. HE TWEETED BEFORE THE HEARING STARTED. OF COURSE THE
QUESTION WASN’T IF HE WAS GOING TO TWEET ABOUT IT, BUT WHEN? AND
IT CAME JUST BEFORE THE HEARING STARTED. SAYING THAT MICHAEL
COHEN WAS ONE OF MANY LAWYERS REPRESENTING ME, UNFORTUNATE. I
FOUND THAT SIGNIFICANT. HE SAYS MANY. DIMINISHING HIS
ROLE. IS JUST THE GUY THAT GOT ME COFFEE, I DON’T KNOW WHO THIS
GUY IS. I WOULD BE ABLE TO PICK THEM OUT IN THE CROWD. THAT IS
A TRUMP PLAYBOOK MOVE. AGAIN SAYING THAT I WAS JUST ONE
OF MANY. NOT AN EXTRAORDINARY RELATIONSHIP THAT MICHAEL COHEN DESCRIBED AND
DEPICTED TO THE COMMITTEE. HE WAS DISBARRED BY THE SUPREME
COURT FOR LYING AND FRAUD. HE DID BAD THINGS UNRELATED TO
TRUMP. CASTING HIM AS THE BAD ACTOR, NOT THE GUY THAT WAS
TAKING ORDERS. >>IT’S FASTENING. THE
PRESIDENT TWEETING A FEW HOURS BEFORE HE MEETS WITH KIM JONG
UN. THIS IS PART OF WHAT IS ON HIS
MIND. HE ALSO IS TOUTING THE SUMMIT THAT HE IS ENGAGED IN.
IT DOESN’T SHOW THE DISTRACTION THAT IS HAPPENING HERE. A BIG
DAY IN HANOI. WHEN THEY WAKE UP THEY’RE GOING
TO HAVE A BIG SUMMIT. TONIGHT EAST COAST TIME IS WHEN WE WILL
SEE SOME OF THE REAL DRAMA UNFOLD BETWEEN PRESIDENT DONALD
TRUMP AND KIM JONG UN. AND THEN WE EXPECT TO HEAR FROM THE
PRESIDENT AFTERWARDS AND HIS COMMENTARY ON HOW EVERYTHING
WENT. >>THE BACK-AND-FORTH OF THIS
WEEK IS A STRIKING. YOU HAVE TRUMP OVERSEAS IN THIS HISTORIC
SUMMIT. YOU COME BACK IN THE MIDDLE THE DAY AND HIS PERSONAL
LAWYER IS TELLING ALL THIS PUBLIC HEARING. THE BIGGEST
HEARING OF TRUMPS PRESIDENCY SO FAR. AND THEN WE SWITCH RIGHT
BACK TO VIETNAM AT NIGHT. WHERE THIS SUMMIT WILL CONTINUE. WE
HAVE SEEN RUDY GIULIANI TELL THE WASHINGTON POST LAST NIGHT THAT
THIS IS NOT ON THE FRONT OF HIS MIND, HE WAS NOT WORRIED ABOUT
COHEN’S TESTIMONY. THAT COHEN IS A LIAR NO ONE SHOULD TRUST
HIM. BUT THEN WE GOT REPORTS THAT TRUMP IS STAYING UP ALL
NIGHT TO WATCH THIS. WERE NOT SURE IF THAT IS HAPPENING. BUT
IT COULD INDICATE THAT HE HAS HIS EYE ON IT, OR IS RECEIVING
UPDATES OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS HEARING. WHICH IS A
STRIKING. YOU WOULD THINK THAT TRUMP WOULD BE FOCUSED ON THE
TASK AT HAND. WE HAVE SEEN TRUMP AND ASSOCIATES DOWNPLAY
ANY TIME THERE IS MAJOR REVELATIONS IN THESE
INVESTIGATIONS OVER THESE PAST FEW YEARS. TRUMP HAD PRAYS TO COHEN. WITHIN
THE MOMENT THAT THE FBI RAIDED HIS OFFICE, TRUMP SAID THAT
THEY WERE SAD, AND THEN WHEN THEY LOOK LIKE COHEN WAS COOPERATING, TRUMP
FLIPPED ON, THROUGH THE BUS, CALLED HIM A LIAR, SAID HE
COULDN’T BE TRUSTED. WE HAVE SEEN THIS HAPPEN WITH THE TRUMP
ALLIES. DIMINISHING THE IMPACT OF THE PROCESS CRIMES. PEOPLE
PERJURING THEMSELVES, LYING TO PROSECUTORS. AT EVERY TURN WE
HAVE SEEN TRUMP AND HIS ALLIES DOWNPLAY THE VARIOUS TERMS OF
THE SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER INVESTIGATION. AND WE
ARE SEEING MORE WITH HIS OVERSEAS ASSIGNMENT.
>>TALK ABOUT TRUMP DISTANCING HIMSELF. LET’S LOOK AT THE CLIP OF SOME OF THE BIG MOMENTS
OF TODAY’S HEARING SO FAR. REPUBLICANS CLASHING WITH
MICHAEL COHEN. >>MR. COHEN HOW LONG DID YOU
WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE? >>I NEVER WORKED IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
>>AND THAT WAS THE POINT. YOU WANT TO WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE
AND YOU DIDN’T GET BROUGHT TO THE DANCE. AND NOW YOU’RE
BEHAVING JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE THEY GOT FIRED AND DIDN’T GET
THE JOB THEY WANTED, THE SAME SELFISH MOTIVATION WHEN YOU
DON’T GET WHAT YOU WANT. THAT IS WHAT I SEE HERE TODAY. AND
THAT’S WHAT THEY MAKE PEOPLE WILL SEE.
>>MR. JORDAN ALL I WANTED IS WHAT I GOT HERE TO BE A PERSONAL
ATTORNEY TO THE PRESIDENT. >>THE REMORSE IS NONEXISTENT.
HE JUST DEBATED A MEMBER OF CONGRESS SAYING THAT I DIDN’T DO
ANYTHING WRONG. >>THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID, AND
YOU KNOW THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID. I PLED GUILTY, I TAKE
RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY ACTIONS. SHAME ON YOU MR. JORDAN. THAT
IS NOT WHAT I SAID. >>HE SAYS AS A DAUGHTER OF A MAN
BORN IN BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA THAT THERE IS NO WAY THAT SHE WOULD
WORK FOR AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS RACIST. HOW DO YOU RECONCILE
THE TWO OF THOSE? >>NEITHER SHOULD I IS A SON OF A
HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR. >>DO YOU HAVE PROOF OF THOSE
CONVERSATIONS. DO YOU HAVE TAPE RECORDINGS OF THOSE
CONVERSATIONS? >>NO SIR PURR EXPECT YOU TAPED
EVERYONE ELSE, THAT IS >>NOT TRUE. YOU HAVEN’T TAPED
HUNDRED TIMES HAVE YOU TAPED INDIVIDUALS. YOU’RE
SAYING THAT WAS JUST BECAUSE YOU
WERE A NICE GUY?>>LET THE RECORD REFLECT YOU’RE
NOT A NICE GUY. YOU’RE A PATH LODGE CAL LIAR. YOU DON’T KNOW
TRUTH FROM FALSEHOOD.>>SIR, I’M SORRY, ARE YOU
REFERRING TO THE PRESIDENT?>>THIS IS MY TIME.>>WHEN I ASK YOU A QUESTION,
I’LL ASK FOR AN ANSWER.>>SURE.>>THAT’S IMPORTANT TO YOU, TO
LOOK UP HERE AND LOOK AT THE OLD
ADAGE OUR MOMS TAUGHT US, LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE. NO ONE
SHOULD EVER LISTEN TO YOU AND LOOK AT CREDIBILITY.>>PUTTING UP THINGS LIKE THIS,
REALLY UPCOMING FOR CONGRESS. I’M RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR
SILLINESS BECAUSE I DID THE SAME
THING YOU’RE DOING NOW FOR TEN
YEARS. I PROTECTED MR. TRUMP FOR
TEN YEARS AND I CAN ONLY WARN PEOPLE, THE MORE PEOPLE THAT
FOLLOW MR. TRUMP AS I DID BLINDLY, ARE GOING TO SUFFER THE
SAME CONSEQUENCES THAT I’M SUFFERING.>>TENSE MOMENTS BETWEEN
REPUBLICANS AND MICHAEL COHEN AND YOU SAW HIM FLIPPING THE
SCRIPT THERE AS REPUBLICANS WERE
USING THOSE BIG POSTER BOARDS TO
MAKE THEIR POINTS AND CREATE SOME DRAMA AND PERHAPS RATTLE
MICHAEL COHEN AND HE PUSHED IT RIGHT BACK.>>HE DID. HE REREALLY RESPONDED
TO SAY, CALL CONGRESS SILLY. EVEN A FRIENDLY WITNESS AT A
COMMITTEE, TO CALL OUT SILLINESS, IS — IS A PRETTY
BOLD MOVE FOR A WITNESS, I WOULD
SAY. THERE WERE SOME TENNESSEE MOMENTS. MICHAEL COHEN DIDN’T
JUST NOD AND WAIT FOR A QUESTION. HE FOUGHT BACK. HE WAS
PUGNATIOUS. HE DIDN’T TAKE IT LYING DOWN AND THERE WERE SOME
MOMENTS THAT MAKE GAVE REPUBLICANS A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT
THEY WERE LOOKING FOR BUT IN SOME WAYS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE
PRESS BACK AND SHUT DOWN SOME OF THAT.
AND CERTAINLY WHAT IT DID WAS IT
ATE INTO THE QUESTION TIME. THE CHAIRMAN WAS PRETTY STRICT
ABOUT ENFORCING — I THINK IT WAS FIVE
MINUTES EACH MEMBER HAD, SO MICHAEL COHEN DIDN’T ALLOW THE
USERS TO SPEAK. HE INTERRUPTED. AND THAT ATE INTO THEIR TIME,
AND CUT DOWN ON SOME OF THEIR SOUND BITE TIME.>>AND AT ONE POINT, HE TOLD JIM
JORDAN, SHAME ON YOU. HE SHOT BACK AT HIM AND A DIFFERENT
EXCHANGE WITH JIM JORDAN. HE THOUGHT I WAS BROUGHT HERE TO
TALK ABOUT TRUMP. I DON’T KNOW WHY I’M HERE TO TALK ABOUT
THINGS THAT I’VE ALREADY ADMITTED TO DOING AND THEN ADDED
THAT HE WAS HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO
ADMIT THAT HE WAS WRONG AND COMMITTED THESE CRIMES. BUT IT
WAS STRIKING TO SEE HIM FIGHT BACK AS YOU SAID THROUGHOUT
THIS HEARING AND PUSH BACK. AS WE
MENTIONED, THE REPUBLICAN STRATEGY, OR ONE OF THE
REPUBLICAN STRATEGIES OF THIS HEARING CLEARLY HAS BEEN TO
QUESTION AND UNDERMINE COHEN’S CREDIBILITY. SO HIM PUSHING
BACK ON THAT, I THINK IS GOING TO BE
ONE OF THE SIGNIFICANT TAKEAWAYS
FROM THIS HEARING.>>JMREGAR, EMILY, WE ARE
WATCHING THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE ROOM WHERE WE ARE
EXPECTING TEST MONEY TO RESUME SHORTLY. LET’S PLAY ANOTHER
MASH UP FROM EARLIER TODAY. MICHAEL
COHEN TALKING ABOUT HIS ROLE AND
WHAT HE ACTUALLY DID WORKING FOR
THE MAN HE CALLS MR. TRUMP.>>WIPEDS UP TOUTING THE TRUMP
NARRATIVE FOR OVER A DECADE, THAT WAS MY JOB, ALWAYS STAY ON
MESSAGE, ALWAYS DEFEND. MR. TRUMP DIRECTED ME TO FIND A
STRAWBERRY, TO PURCHASE A PORTRAIT OF HIMSELF THAT WAS
BEING AUCTIONED OFF. MR. TRUMP DIRECTED THE TRUMP FOUNDATION,
WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE A CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION, TO
REPAY THE PAINTER DESPITE KEEPING THE ART FOR HIMSELF. ONE
OF MY MORE COMMON RESPONSIBILITIES AND MR. TRUMP
DIRECTED ME TO CALL BUSINESS OWNER BUSINESS WITH MANY OF
WHOM ARE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT WERE
OWED MONEY FOR THEIR SERVICES AND TOLD THEM NO PAYMENT OR A
REDUCED PAYMENT WOULD BE COMING.
WHEN I ASKED MR. TRUMP — OR WHEN I TOLD MR. TRUMP OF MY
SUCCESS, HE ACTUALLY REVELLED IN
IT. HE ASKED ME TO PAY OFF AN ADULT FILM STAR WITH WHOM HE
HAD AN AFFAIR AND TO LIE ABOUT IT TO
HIS WIFE, WHICH I DID. MR. TRUMP
DIRECTED ME TO USE MY OWN PERSONAL FUNDS FROM A HOME
EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT TO AVOID ANY MONEY BEING TRACED BACK TO
HIM THAT COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT
HIS CAMPAIGN, AND I DID THAT, TOO, DIRECTED ME TO THREATEN HIS
HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE BOARDS TO NEVER RELEASE HIS GRADES OR
S.A.T. SCORES. I’M GIVING COPIES
OF ALERT ARE I SENT TO MR. TRUMP’S DIRECTION THREATENING
THESE SCHOOLS CIVIL AND CRIMINAL
ACTION IF MR. TRUMP’S GRADES OR S.A.T. SCORES WERE EVER
DISCLOSED WITHOUT HIS PERMISSION. MR. TRUMP TASKED ME
TO HANDLE THE NEGATIVE PEREZ SUR
ROUND DEFER. I
WAS ASKED WITH ALLEN WEISSELBERG, CFO, TO GO BACK AND
SPEAK WITH AN INDIVIDUAL FROM FORBES BECAUSE MR. TRUMP WANTED
EACH YEAR TO HAVE HIS NET WORTH RISE ON THE FORBES WEALTHIEST
INDIVIDUALS LIST. THESE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS WERE USED
BY ME WHEN WE WERE DEALING LATER
ON WITH INSURANCE COMPANIES, WE WOULD PROVIDE THEM WITH THESE
COPIES SO THAT THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THE PREMIUM
WHICH IS BASED SOMETIMES UPON THE INDIVIDUAL’S CAPABILITIES
TO PAY WOULD BE REDUCED. THESE
DOCUMENTS AND OTHERS WERE PROVIDED TO DEUTCHE BANK, IN ONE
OCCASION I WAS WITH THEM, IN AN ATTEMPT TO OBTAIN MONEY SO THAT
WE CAN OBTAIN MONEY ON THE BUFFALO BILLS. EVERYBODY’S JOB
AT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION IS TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP.>>MICHAEL COHEN SPEAKING EARLY,
A ROUNDUP OF MOMENTS WHERE HE REALLY CLARIFIES WHAT HIS ROLE
WAS IN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION AND HOW HE WORKED FOR MR.
TRUMP. JM PUT THAT TOGETHER EARLIER. DO
YOU THINK THAT’S GOING TO RESINATE WITH THE AMERICAN
PUBLIC AND/OR CONGRESS IN TERMS OF, LIKE, HERE WAS MY ROLE.
HERE’S WHAT I DID FOR TEN YEARS,
THE PART THAT I PLAYED, NOT JUST
THE BUSINESS CARD, BUT ON A GRANULAR LEVEL, HERE’S HOW
IMPORTANT I WAS TO THIS ORGANIZATION.>>IT’S POSSIBLE. I THINK THAT
IT ALSO POINTS TO HIM TRYING TO EMPHASIZE THAT HE’S COMING
CLEAN, THAT HE IS CREDIBLE, THAT
HAD IS TELLING THE TRUTH HERE BY
ESSENTIALLY SAYING LET’S OPEN UP
ALL THE BOOKS AND I WILL TELL YOU ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING
HERE. AND THAT WAS KIND OF MY TAKEAWAY FROM THAT IN ADDITION
TO KIND OF WHAT WE ALREADY DISCUSSED HERE BECAUSE SOME OF
THOSE THINGS ARE MORE KIND OF THE PAINTING ONE FOR EXAMPLE,
IS MORE THE FOUNDATION IS SHUT
DOWN, I BELIEVE A SETTLEMENT, IF
I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT, RIGHT? SO
SOME OF THESE ARE KIND OF CLOSE BOOKS, BOTH IN THE PAST, AND
THE FACT COHEN WAS ABLE TO LAY ALL
OF THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS OUT TODAY, I THINK IT’S STILL
SIGNIFICANT AND SHOULDN’T BE UNDER EMPHASIZED.>>AND IT JUST GOES TO HOW BROAD
AND VARIED HIS ROLE WAS AND HOW INTIMATELY INVOLVED HE WAS WITH
EVERY ASPECT OF TRUMP BUSINESS, AND NOT JUST BUSINESS, BIG
BUSINESS DEVELOPMENTS LIKE TRUMP
MOSCOW, BUT HE’S DOING TINY LITTLE ERRANDS FOR THIS MAN AND
I THINK GOES TO HIS KNOWLEDGE OF
THE PRESIDENT’S EVERYDAY DOINGINGS AND THE LINKS HE’S
WILLING TO GO FOR HIS BOSS. I MEAN, WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT
MIKEY COHEN AS A FIXER AND DO WE
REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. AND
OLIVIA POPE, ON SCANDAL, BUT IT’S INTERESTING HEARING HIM
LAYOUT THE VARIED AND SOMETIMES HUMILIATING THINGS THAT HE DID
IN SERVICE OF DONALD TRUMP, AND I THINK THAT GOES TO A LOT OF
THINGS ABOUT THIS RELATIONSHIP,
THE LOYALTY, THE INTIMACY, THE TACTICS HE WAS WILLING TO TAKE
ON BEHALF OF DONALD TRUMP.>>AND I THINK IT WAS STRIKING,
TOO, TO JUST HAVE IT ALL LAID OUT THAT WAS IN LINE WITH THE
REPORTING AND WITH THE PROSECUTIONS AND WITH THE
AGREEMENTS WITH PROSECUTORS, RIGHT, THAT WE HAD READ ABOUT
AND WE HEARD ABOUT OVER THE LAST
NUMBER OF YEARS NOW, BUT TO HAVE
IT ALL IN ONE HEARING HERE IN A COUPLE — IN A COUPLE HOURS’
SPAN IS STILL, I THINK, STRIKING
AND IS ONE OF THE MANY THINGS FROM THIS HEARING THAT I THINK
PEOPLE ARE STILL TRYING TO GET THEIR HEADS AROUND, IF YOU
WILL.>>ABSOLUTELY. WE EXPECT TEST
MONJN IRKS TESTIMONY TO RESUME IN THE NEXT
FIVE MINUTES. SUCH A BIG MOMENT FOR ELIJAH CUMMINGS FOR WHAT
THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE WILL BE UNDERSTANDING, NOT JUST BECAUSE
OF WHAT MICHAEL COHEN WILL SAY BUT WE WANT TO GET A PLAN HOW
DEMOCRATS PLAN TO COMPORT THEMSELVES AND PLAN TO DIMINISH
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THROUGH
THE WITNESSES THEY CALL, THROUGH
THE QUESTIONS THEY ASK. YOU CAN SEE MARK MEADOWS WHO EMERGED AS
ONE OF THE TOP DEFENDERS, EVEN SOMEONE WHO IS CONSIDERED FOR
THE CHIEF OF STAFF JOB FOR HIS ROLE IN CONGRESS AND SERVING A
ROLL AS A SUPPORTER OF THE PRESIDENT IN SITUATIONS LIKE
THIS, JM.>>YOU HEARD CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS, THE
DAYS ARE OVER, ESSENTIALLY PROVIDING COVERAGE FOR PRESIDENT
TRUMP. AND WE KNEW WHEN DEMOCRATS TAKE THE CONTROL THERE
WERE GOING TO BE A NUMBER OF INVESTIGATIVE FRONTS THEY WERE
GOING TO BE LOOKING INTO, THAT THE SUBPOENA POWER IS
SIGNIFICANT AND THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, WHICH REALLY HAD THE
AUTHORITY TO INVESTIGATE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO, RIGHT,
AND THAT’S SIGNIFICANT, THE FACT
THAT CHAIRMAN SCHIFF WANTS TO REOPEN THE INVESTIGATION THAT
WAS CLOSED INTO TRUMP AND LOOKING INTO MONEY LAUNDERING,
WHAT HAPPENED WITH DEUTCHE BANKRUPTCY. WE HEARD COHEN REFERENCE DEUTCHE BANK SEVERAL
TIMES TODAY AND GOING TO THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, WHAT
CHAIRMAN ADDLER IS GOING TO PURSUE. THESE ARE THINGS THAT I
THINK TRUMP KNOWS THE POLITICAL CAPITAL, WHENEVER THOSE THINGS
ARE IN THE HEADLINES AND THOSE THINGS ARE GETTING ATTENTION
AWAY FROM THE AGENDA THAT HE WANTS TO PURSUE IN OFFICE AND
NOW WITH A SPLIT CONGRESS, IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE
WHAT, IF ANYTHING, THEY CAN AXE CHIEF
FROM A MAJOR LEGISLATIVE FRONT, IF YOU WILL, SPENT WITH 2020
GETTING UNDERWAY.>>AND COULD BE BIPARTISAN
AGREEMENT SUCH AS INFRASTRUCTURE
WHEN YOU GOT THIS CONTENTIOUS CURRENT FLOWING, IT DOESN’T
HELP. I GUESS WE SHOULD POINT OUT THOUGH, THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP
DOES THRIVE AND FIGHT. EVEN IF HE’S DISTRACTED FROM SOME OF
HIS GOALS AND AGENDA, WHEN HE’S ON
DEFENSE, HE COMES OUT PUNCHING, SO THERE IS AN ELEMENT THAT HIS
SUPPORTERS APPRECIATE AND REVEL IN WHEN HE’S PUNCHING BACK.>>ABSOLUTELY AND I THINK MARK
MEADOWS WHO IS A CLOSE ALLY OF THE PRESIDENT’S, WAS IN SOME
WAYS HIS PERFORMANCE IN THE HEARING IS PLAYING TO AN
AUDIENCE OF ONE. THIS IS A GUY WHO SEES HIMSELF AS TRUMP’S BIG
DEFENDER AND I THINK YOU’RE SEEING THIS AS THE ROLE THAT
HE’S GOING TO PLAY ON THIS COMMITTEE, THE VERY VOCAL,
DEFENDER OF THE PRESIDENT AND A PANEL THAT IS GOING TO BE
SHARPENING THEIR KNIVES FOR THE PRESIDENT AND FOR THIS
ADMINISTRATION. NOW, THIS COMMITTEE HAS A LONG HISTORY OF
THIS KIND OF SPARRING THOUGH. THINK ABOUT WHEN TRAY DOUGHTY
WAS THE CHAIRMAN AND IT WAS ALL BENGHAZI ALL THE TIME. YOU
KNOW, THIS IS THE FLIP — THE OTHER
SIDE OF THAT COIN AND AS THE CHAIRMAN SAID, THOSE DAYS ARE
GONE AND THIS IS THE NEW REALITY
FOR THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. THERE. HIS NAME HAS COME UP OVER
WHO IS PAYING HIS SALARY, REPUBLICANS IMPLYING THEIR MAY
BE ANOTHER AGENDA HERE.>>SO CLOSE THERE.>>WHERE?>>AS THE CAMERA GETS IN FOCUS.
EMILY, WHAT YOU CAN TELL US ABOUT HIM?>>LANNY DAVIS IS AN OLD
WASHINGTON HAND. HE WAS A SPECIAL COUNSEL TO PRESIDENT
CLINTON. THIS WAS — HE WAS IN THE WHITE HOUSE BEFORE THE LIEU
WIN SKI SCANDAL HIT AND YET SERVED AS A SURROGATE FOR BILL
CLINTON OUTSIDE OF THE WHITE HOUSE DURING THAT SCANDAL. HE
WAS A KEY SURROGATE FOR HILLARY CLINTON. HE IS A CLINTON GUY.
HE’S A CARD-CARRYING, PASSPORT HOLDING IN THE CLINTON WORLD,
WHICH MAKES HIM SUCH A STRANGE PAIRING WITH MICHAEL COHEN, WHO
IS — WAS A CARD-CARRYING MEMBER
OF TRUMP WORLD. AND YET THEY SEEM PERFECTLY SUITED FOR ONE
ANOTHER. LANNY DAVIS HAS A WAY OF TAKING ON VERY CONTROVERSIAL
CLIENTS, BUT USUALLY VERY HIGH-PROFILE CLIENTS. HE
REPRESENTED MARTHA STEWART IN LEGAL TROUBLE. HE REPRESENTED
THE REDSKINS, YOU KNOW, IN DISPUTE ABOUT THEIR NAME. HE’S
TAKEN ON UNSAVORY CLIENTS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD AND IN SOME
CASES, THIS HAS COME BACK TO BITE HIM, BUT HE IS JUST —
HE’S NOT THE GUY THAT YOU HIRE IF YOU
DON’T WANT ATTENTION PAID TO YOUR CASE. HE’S NOT THE QUIET,
YOU KNOW, WORKING GUY WHO IS JUST IN THE BACKGROUND
WHISPERING IN YOUR EAR EVERY NOW
AND THEN. YOU HIRE LANNY DAVIS WHEN YOU WANT ATTENTION AND YOU
DON’T WANT THAT DEFLECTED. YOU HAVE TO THINK IN HIRING HIM,
YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WERE GETTING.>>AND YOU HEARD COHEN REFERENCE
DURING THE HEARING THAT IT WAS HIS FIRST LAWYER, I BELIEVE,
WHO MADE THE REFERENCE THAT YOU
SHOULD BRING ON LANNY DAVIS, RIGHT?>>YEAH. AND IT DOES SEEM LANNY
DAVIS HAS HELPED COHEN NAVIGATE THE LANDSCAPE IN TERMS OF HOW
STRATEGICALLY HE WAS DOING INTERVIEWS IN THE LEADUP TO
THIS, EVEN WHEN THE HEARING WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED. WE DON’T
KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE INTENT WAS FOR THIS TO BE, BUT THE
FACT THAT WE MENTIONED EARLIER THIS
IS HAPPENING RIGHT AS TRUMP IS OVERSEEING THE HISTORIC SUMMIT
WITH THE NORTH KOREAN LEADER IS REALLY SIGNIFICANT.>>AND LANNY DAVIS HAS ALWAYS
NOT ONLY ACTED AS AN ATTORNEY, BUT HE’S ACTED AS A PR GUY AND
HE KNOWS WASHINGTON, HE KNOWS CONGRESS, HE KNOWS THE PRESS.
THIS IS THE GUY — WHO DO YOU WANT NEXT TO YOU WHEN YOU’RE IN
THE CIRCUS? YOU WANT THE RING LEADER. THIS GUY KNOWS THE
CIRCUS. HE GETS THIS TERRAIN AND
SO HE’S PLAYED A LOT OF DIFFERENT ROLES. HE’S NOT JUST
THE GUY GIVING HIM STRICT LEGAL ADVICE. THIS IS PART OF A BIG,
YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF ROLES THAT
HE PLAYS FOR HIS CLIENTS.>>AND THERE IS A LITTLE SORT OF
SECRET IN WASHINGTON WHERE THINGS ARE BIGGER THAN PARTY.
THERE IS A POWER STRICTURE IN A
PLACE LIKE WASHINGTON WHERE THE MICHAEL COHENS OF THE WORLD CAN
FORGET PARTY DIFFERENCES BECAUSE
THEY’RE PLAYING ON A LEVEL WHERE
THEY NEED THIS ABILITY TO KNOW THE POLITICS OF WASHINGTON,
KNOW HOW TO NAVIGATE THE SYSTEM AND
KNOW HOW TO WIN TURF WARS AND BATTLES THAT GO WAY BEYOND
PARTY.>>ABSOLUTELY. YOU CAN LOOK AT
THE SYSTEM SORT OF STRANGE AND IT’S NOT AT ALL.>>I WANT TO BRING IN ROBERT
COSTA. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN AND TALKING WITH US. WE’LL TALK
TO YOU FOR A FEW MINUTES BEFORE WE HEAD TO THE HEARING ROOM.
WE’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SOME OF
THE STRANGE ALIGNMENTS GETTING LANNY DAVIS HERE WITH MICHAEL
COHEN. I’D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU
WHO YOU ARE WATCHING ON THIS COMMITTEE AND WHO IS STANDING
OUT TO YOU AS YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT ANGLE THEY ARE WORKING. I
MENTIONED MARK MEADOW, DONALD TRUMP, WHO ARE YOU WATCHING?>>MARK MEADOW IS AN IMPORTANT
PERSON TO WATCH. WE HAVE A CHIEF
OF STAFF IN MICK MULVANEY WHO IS
STILL ACTING CHIEF OF STAFF AND THERE IS A LOT OF TALK AMONG
WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS MARK MEADOWS COULD STILL COME IN, AND
MARK MEADOWS IS LOOKING AT PERHAPS A PRIMARY BID AGAINST
SENATOR THOM TILLIS, WHO HAS BROKEN WITH THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION RECENT WEEKS ON THE NATIONAL EMERGENCY, COULD
DO THAT. HE’S TRYING TO SCORE SOME
POINTS WITH THE RIGHT WING. ALSO
TALKING TO AN AUDIENCE OF ONE IF HE WANTS TO BE CHIEF OF STAFF.
CAN THE DEMOCRATS BE FOCUSED OR GET SOME POLITICAL — DRAW
POLITICAL BLOOD FROM MICHAEL COHEN?>>HOW DO YOU THINK THEY’RE
DOING SO FAR? WE STILL HAVE FIVE
MEMBERS THAT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY
TO ASK QUESTIONS AND WE’LL BE GOING FROM DEMOCRAT TO
DEMOCRAT, BUT HOW DO YOU THINK THEY’VE
BEEN DOING SO FAR?>>SO FAR, OKAY. I THINK THE
SORRY HAS BEEN MORE ABOUT COHEN AND WHAT COHEN HAS HAD TO SAY,
RATHER THAN A MOMENT WHERE A LAWMAKER HAS DRAWN OUT COHEN
WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS FRESH AND NEW AND THE THINGS THAT
COHEN IS OFFERING ON HIS OWN BE STARTLING AND THEY’RE HEADLINES
MINUTE BY MINUTE. WITH DEMOCRATS
FROM CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS TO OTHERS, YOU HAVEN’T HAD A BREAKTHROUGH MOMENT. I THINK
ABOUT AMY KLOBECHAR, SHE REALLY GOT AN ELEVATED PLACE IN THE
NATIONAL STAGE AS SHE PREPARED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT. NO ONE HAS
HAD THAT KIND OF BREAKTHROUGH. ONCE YOU HAVE AN OPENING
STATEMENT, THE PRESIDENT SAYS HE’S A RACIST AND CHEAT. IT’S
REALLY HARD TO THEN HAVE THAT MOMENT WHERE YOU GET MICHAEL
COHEN –>>WHERE DO YOU GO FROM THERE?>>EXACTLY.>>I WONDER IF THERE ARE
OPPORTUNITIES ON FOLLOWING UP ON
HOW MANY WOMEN HAVE YOU PAID OFF
OVER THE YEARS. CAROLYN MALONEY ASKED THAT AND HE SORT OF
REFLECTED ON IT AND WE NEVER GOT
BACK TO IT AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOU
WOULD REMEMBER AND EVEN IF YOU
COULD BALLPARK IT, AT LEAST. THESE LAWMAKERS IS EVERYBODY
WANTS THEIR BITE AT THE APPLE.>>THEY ALL WANT A CHANCE BUT IN
THE PAST YOU’VE SEEN ONE PERSON AS ACT PROSECUTOR OF SORTS TO
CONCENTRATE THE LINE OF INQUIRIES. YOU DON’T REALLY SEE
THAT HERE. YOU’VE GOTTEN SOME PIECES OF INFORMATION, BUT THE
DEMOCRATS HAVE WANTED EVERYONE TO HAVE A CHANCE.>>MICHAEL COHEN HAS TAKEN HIS
SEAT AND THE CHAIRMAN HAS RESUMED HIS POSITION. WE’LL BRING YOU THIS HEARING LIVE AND
UNINTERRUPTED. TO ORDER. MR. COHEN, I WANT TO
FINALIZE THIS ISSUE RELATING TO YOUR TRUTH IN TESTIMONY FORM.
THE FORM REQUIRES YOU TO LIST YOUR CONTRACTS OR PAYMENTS
ORIGINATING FROM A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT, NOT FROM ALL FOREIGN
ENTITIES. WE SAID WE WOULD GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO CONSULT WITH
YOUR ATTORNEYS. HAVE YOU DONE THAT, AND DO YOU HAVE ANY
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION?>>MY FOUR ATTORNEYS CONTINUE TO
BELIEVE AS THEY DID BEFORE, THAT
LANGUAGE OF THE TRUTH IN TESTIMONY FORM, WHICH I WAS
GIVEN AND SIGNED JUST RIGHT BEFORE THIS HEARING, AND WHICH
REQUIRES DISCLOSURE OF ANY CONTRACTS OR PAYMENTS FROM
FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, DID NOT APPLY TO MY
WORK FOR BTA BANK, WHICH IS
ZOZOK-OWNEDENTITY, AND ADVISEDENTITIES INTENDED FOR
DISCLOSURE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE DISCLOSURE DEFINITION,
HOWEVER IF THE COMMITTEE’S COUNCIL HAS A DIFFERENT VIEW,
THAT I SHOULD DISCLOSE MY CONTRACT WITH BTA BANK, WE’D BE
WILLING TO DO THAT.>>MR. CHAIRMAN –>>LET ME FINISH.>>I WANT TO UNDERSTAND CLEARLY,
YOU ARE — YOU SOUGHT THE ADVICE
OF YOUR COUNSEL, IS THAT RIGHT?>>AND YOUR COUNSEL ADVISED YOU
TO SAY WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS THAT RIGHT?>>YES, SIR.>>HOW WOULD YOU YIELD, TO THE
GENTLEMEN?>>I THINK THE CHAIRMAN FOR HIS
COURTESY — MR. CHAIRMAN, INSTEAD OF MAKING POINTS OF
ORDER AND GOING BACK AND FORTH ON IN THIS, PERHAPS A WAY TO
SOLVE THIS IS FOR THE CHAIRMAN TO REQUEST MR. COHEN GIVE TO
THIS COMMITTEE ALL THE FOREIGN PAYMENTS HE’S RECEIVED OVER THE
LAST TWO YEARS, WHETHER THEY’RE
IN ENTITY, OR GOVERNMENT, BECAUSE WE HAVE STRONG BELIEF
$900,000 CAME FROM THE GOVERNMENT OF KAZAKHSTAN ON THE
BEHALF OF MR. COHEN. IT’S THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, OR
NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, AND THE RULES, MR. CHAIRMAN, REALLY
LOOK AT FOREIGN PAYMENTS THAT COME
FROM OR WITH FOREIGN GOVERNMENT,
AND THE BANK HE’S TALKING ABOUT IS OWNED 81% BY THE KAZAKHSTAN
GOVERNMENT.>>RECLAIMING MY TIME.
RECLAIMING MY TIME AND THEN WE’RE GOING TO MOVE ON. WHAT I
WILL TAKE — FIRST OF ALL, LET ME BE CLEAR. I SAID TO MR.
COHEN, THAT IF HE CAME IN HERE AND LIED, I WOULD NAIL HIM TO
THE CROSS. DIDN’T I? DIDN’T I TELL YOU THAT?>>YES, YOU DID. MORE THAN ONCE.>>ALL RIGHT. SO IF THERE IS ANY
AMBIGUITY, I WANT THAT TO BE CLEARED UP. I HAVE NO PROBLEM
IN WORKING WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE
THAT’S STRAIGHTENED OUT BECAUSE I DON’T WANT THERE TO BE HE
THINKS ONE THING AND WE THINK ONE THING. WE CAN CLEAR THAT
UP. WE HAVE OTHER MEMBERS THAT HAVE
BEEN WAITING –>>I DON’T THINK WE SHOULD LIMIT
TO THE BTA BANK AND KAZAKHSTAN. WE SHOULD ALSO LOOK AT KOREA
AEROSPACE INDUSTRIES AND ANY OTHER FOREIGN CLIENT THAT MAY
HAVE SOME PERSPECTIVE TO THAT COUNTRY’S GOVERNMENT. I HOPE
THEY LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE AND WE
GET ALL OF THIS RIGHT.>>RECLAIMING MY TIME. WE WILL
TAKE THAT CERTAINLY UNDER ADVISEMENT. WE WILL DO — WE
WILL WORK WITH YOU AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO COME UP WITH THAT.
I DON’T THINK THAT IS AN
UNREASONABLY REQUEST. MR. GARNER? HELLO?>>MR. COHEN, I WANT TO FOCUS MY
QUESTIONS ON THE SMOKING-GUN DOCUMENT YOU HAVE PROVIDED THIS
COMMITTEE. IT’S COMPELLING EVIDENCE OF STATE AND FEDERAL
CRIMES, INCLUDING FINANCIAL FRAUD. YOU PROVIDED THIS
COMMITTEE WITH A CHECK FROM PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP’S
REVOKABLE TRUST ACCOUNT MARKED AS EXHIBIT 5 B A CHECK FOR
$35,000 DATED MARCH 17th, IT’S RIGHT NOW ON THE SCREEN. DO YOU
SEE IT, SIR?>>YES, SIR.>>THE TRUMP REVOKABLE TRUST IS
THE TRUST THE PRESIDENT SET UP TO HOLD HIS ASSETS AFTER HE
BECAME PRESIDENT; IS THAT CORRECT?>>I BELIEVE SO.>>DO YOU KNOW WHY YOU WERE PAID
FROM THE TRUST AS OPPOSED TO THE
PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL ACCOUNT? THAT.>>DID YOU THINK IT WAS ODD THAT
HE PAID YOU ONCE FROM HIS PERSONAL ACCOUNT AND THEN HE’S
PAYING YOU THROUGH THE SCHEME OF
A TRUST?>>I’LL BE HONEST, I WAS JUST
HAPPY TO GET THE CHECK.>>TODAY, YOU TESTIFIED THAT
CHECK WAS SIGNED BY DONALD TRUMP, JR. AND THE TRUMP
ORGANIZATION CFO, ALLEN WEISSELBERG; IS THAT CORRECT?>>TRAIS CORRECT.>>ACCORDING TO THE CRIMINAL
CHARGES AGAINST YOU, YOU SENT MONTHLY INVOICES CONTAINING
FALSE INFORMATION TO AN INDIVIDUAL IDENTIFIED AS
EXECUTIVE ONE, WEISSELBERG IS EXECUTIVE ONE; IS THAT CORRECT?>>YES.>>THE CRIMINAL CHARGE AGAINST
YOU THEN STATES THAT EXECUTIVE ONE, FORWARDED YOUR INVOICE TO
SOMEONE REFERRED TO AS EXECUTIVE
TWO, PRESUMABLY DONALD TRUMP, JR. WHO IS SIGNING THIS CHECK
IS EXECUTIVE TWO, CORRECT?>>I BELIEVE SO.>>AS FEDERAL PROSECUTORS LAID
OUT IN THEIR CRIMINAL CHARGES, PAYMENTS LIKE THIS CHECK ROUTED
IN NUMEROUS FALSE STATEMENTS IN THE BOOKS AND RECORDS OF THE
TRUMP ORGANIZATION AND IT’S IMPORTANT FOR THE AMERICAN
PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THIS. NOTHING TO DO WITH COLLUSION.
THIS IS FINANCIAL FRAUD. GARDEN-VARIETY FINANCIAL FRAUD.
IT WAS DISGUISED AS A PAYMENT FOR LEGAL SERVICES TO YOU, BUT
THIS WAS NOT A PAYMENT FOR LEGAL
SERVICES, WAS IT, MR. COHEN?>>IT COULD GIVE RISE TO SERIOUS
STATE AND CRIMINAL FEDERAL LIABILITY IF A CORPORATION IS
COOKING ITS BOOKS. BASED ON YOUR
TESTIMONY TODAY, DONALD TRUMP, JR. AND ALLEN WEISSELBERG
DIRECTED THIS PAYMENT TO YOU AND
APPROVED THIS PAYMENT; IS THAT CORRECT?>>MR. TRUMP INITIALLY
ACKNOWLEDGED THE OBLIGATION, THE
DEBT, MYSELF AND ALLEN WEISSELBERG WENT BACK TO HIS
OFFICE AND I WAS INSTRUCTED BY ALLEN AT THE TIME THAT THEY
WERE GOING TO DO THIS OVER 12
INSTALLMENTS. AND WHAT HE DECIDED TO DO THEN WAS TO HAVE
ME SEND AN INVOICE IN WHICH THEY
COULD HAVE A CHECK CUT AND THEN,
YES, THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES TO YOUR FOLLOWUP.>>AND DONALD TRUMP, JR.
OBVIOUSLY SIGNED OFF ON THIS? DONALD TRUMP, JR. AND/OR ALLEN
WEISSELBERG, BUT ALWAYS ALLEN WEISSELBERG ON THE CHECK.>>AND EXECUTIVE TWO IS DONALD
TRUMP, JR.?>>YES.>>THEY KNEW THIS PAYMENT WAS
FALL AND ILLEGAL, CORRECT.>>I CAN’T MAKE THAT CONCLUSION.>>YOU TOLD REPRESENTATIVE KELLY
THE PRESIDENT WAS AWARE OF THIS SCHEME; IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>I JUST WANT THE AMERICAN
PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THE EXPLOSIVE NATURE OF THIS
TESTIMONY IN THIS DOCUMENT. ARE YOU TELLING US, THE PRESIDENT
DIRECTED THIS TRANSACTION IN CONSPIRACY WITH ALLEN
WEISSELBERG AND HIS SON, DONALD TRUMP, JR. AS PART OF A
CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY OF FINANCIAL FRAUD,
IS THAT YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY?>>AND DO YOU KNOW IF THIS
CRIMINAL FINANCIAL SCHEME THAT PRESIDENT, ALLEN WEISSELBERG
AND DONALD TRUMP ARE BEING
INVESTIGATED BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK?>>I’D RATHER NOT DISCUSS THAT
QUESTION BECAUSE IT COULD BE PART OF INVESTIGATIONS
CURRENTLY ONGOING.>>I JUST WANT THE AMERICAN
PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND SOLELY APART FROM BOB MUELLER’S
INVESTIGATION, THERE IS GARDEN VARIETY FINANCIAL FRAUD AND
YOUR ALLEGATION AND THE EXPLOSIVE
SMOKING-GUN DOCUMENT SUGGESTS THE PRESIDENT, HIS SON, AND HIS
CFO MAY BE INVOLVED IN A CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY, AND ISN’T
IT TRUE, MR. PRESIDENT, THIS CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY THAT
INVOLVES FOUR PEOPLE, SINCE THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSON SO FAR
WHO SUFFERED THE REPERCUSSION AND THAT’S WHY YOU’RE IN JAIL?>>I WILL BE GOING TO JAIL, YES.>>THERE ARE THREE OTHER PEOPLE
WHO WERE EQUALLY INVOLVED IN THIS CONSPIRACY, IS THAT TRUE?>>IT IS TRUE.>>THANK YOU, MR. COHEN. I YIELD
BACK MY TIME.>>GOMEZ.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I’M
GOING TO TACKLE THE PRESIDENT’S TAX RETURN. YOU SAID YOU
WOULDN’T QUOTE ALLOW HIM TO RELEASE THOSE RETURNS UNTIL THE
AUDIT OVER, UNQUOTE. NOTHING PREVENTS INDIVIDUALS FROM
SHARING THEIR OWN TAX RETURNS, EVEN WHILE UNDER AUDIT BY THE
IRS. MR. COHEN DO YOU KNOW WHETHER MR. TRUMP’S TAX RETURNS
WERE UNDER AUDIT BY THE IRS IN 2016?>>I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER. I
ASKED FOR A COPY OF THE AUDIT SO
THAT I COULD USE IT IN TERMS OF MY STATEMENTS TO THE PRESS AND
I WAS NEVER ABLE TO OBTAIN ONE.>>OKAY.>>SO DO YOU HAVE ANY INSIDE
KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT WAS IN THE PRESIDENT’S TAX RETURNS HE
REFUSED RELEASE.>>I DO NOT.>>YOU CAN GIVE US ANY INSIGHT
IN WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAS REFUSED RELEASE HIS TAX RETURN?>>STATEMENTS THAT HE SAID TO
ME, IS THAT WHAT HE DIDN’T WANT WAS TO HAVE AN ENTIRE GROUP OF
THINK TANKS THAT ARE TAX EXPERTS
RUN THROUGH HIS TAX RETURN AND START RIPPING IT TO PIECES AND
THEN END UP IN AN AUDIT AND ULTIMATELY HAVE
TAXABLE CONSEQUENCES, PENALTIES AND SO ON.>>SO THAT’S AN INTERESTING
POINT, THAT BASICALLY HE SAID HE
DIDN’T WANT TO RELEASE HIS TAX RETURNS BECAUSE HE MAY END UP
IN AN AUDIT. SO COULD YOU PRESUME
FROM THAT STATEMENT THAT HE WASN’T UNDER AUDIT?>>I PRESUME HE’S NOT UNDER
AUDIT.>>AND I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE
I’M THE ONLY DEMOCRAT ON THIS COMMITTEE THAT SERVES ON THE
COMMITTEE OF WAYS AND MEANS. IT’S THE CHIEF TAX WRITING
COMMITTEE IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND IT’S THE
ONLY COMMITTEE IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES THAT HAS
JURISDICTION TO REQUEST AN AMERICAN’S TAX RETURNS AND THAT
INCLUDES THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES. MY CONSTITUENTS NEED TO KNOW WHETHER THE
PRESIDENT HAS TIES TO PROTECT HIS OWN BOTTOM LINE, RATHER
THAN THE INTEREST OF THE COUNTRY. CAN
HE BE BLACKMAILED BECAUSE OF HIS
BUSINESS VENTURES, INCLUDING BY FOREIGN GOVERNMENT. AND I KNOW
THE OPPOSITION, THE FIRST THING THEY’RE GOING TO ASK — OR SAY,
IS THAT TO RELEASE THIS FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORM, BUT I
BELIEVE THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WE CAN LEARN FROM HIS TAXES. DO
YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT WE CAN LEARN IN HIS TAX RETURNS IF WE
ACTUALLY GOT OUR HANDS ON THEM? HAVE NEVER GONE THROUGH THEM.
THEY’RE QUITE LONG.>>QUITE LONG. ONE OF THE THINGS
I ALSO FIND IRONIC IS THE WAY THEY’RE KIND OF ATTACKING YOU
AS TO UNDERMINE YOUR CREDIBILITY IS
ONE OF THE WAYS IS BY SAYING THAT YOU COMMITTED BANK FRAUD
AND TAX EVASION AND THE REASON WHY, THE BIG DEAL, IS IT REALLY
GOES DOWN TO THE PERSON’S CHARACTER WHEN IT COMES TO
TAXES. LIKE, YES, THE REPUBLICAN
MINORITY HAS NEVER ASKED TO SEE HIS TAXES. SOMETHING THAT FOR
FOUR YEARS, DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ALIKE HAVE RELEASED
THEIR TAX RETURNS TO PROVE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT THEY
DIDN’T HAVE FINANCIAL INTERESTS THAT WOULD BE LEVERAGEABLE BY A
FOREIGN GOVERNMENT BUT THIS MINORITY REFUSES TO ASK FOR HIS
TAX RETURN. I ALSO WANT TO KIND OF GO ON — I’M NOTICING A
PATTERN — I’M NOTICING A PATTERN ABOUT THE PRESIDENT AND
THOSE IN HIS INNER CIRCLE, SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER’S
TEAM HAS INDICTED OR RECEIVED GUILTY PLEAS FROM 34 PEOPLE AND
THREE COMPANIES THAT WE KNOW OF ISN’T LATEST LONG-TERM TRUMP
ADVISOR ROGER STONE, INCLUDING
SIX FORMER TRUMP ADVISORS THE PRESIDENT HAS A TRUSTNESS FOR
PEOPLE WHO WILL LAW FOR HIM, CHEAT THE SYSTEM FOR HIM, AND
ESSENTIALLY HE WANTS TO SURROUND
HIMSELF WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST
LIKE HIM. WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT?>>FROM THE FACTS AND
CIRCUMSTANCES, IT APPEARS SO. PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS
WHEN IT COMES TO THIS PRESIDENT TO HIS CONDUCT, WHEN HE WENT TO
HELSINKI, AND TALKED TO VLADIMIR
PUTIN AND NOBODY COULD UNDERSTAND WHAT HE ACTS THE WAY
HE ACTS AND WE BELIEVE THE WAY WE GET THOSE ANSWERS IS REALLY
LOOKING AT EVERYBODY THAT SURROUNDS HIM, WHO HE’S BEEN
ASSOCIATED WITH, AND HIS TAX RETURNS BECAUSE THAT IS THE
ONLY WAY WE CAN GET DOWN TO THE
BOTTOM LINE. THANK YOU, AND I YIELD BACK.>>MR. CHAIRMAN?>>MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A
UNANIMOUS CONSENT REQUEST.>>ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD.>>I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT WE
READ INTO THE RECORD A TWEET FROM DR. DARRELL SCOTT, WHICH
SAYS, MICHAEL COHEN ASKS, NO BEGGED ME REPEATEDLY TO ASK
POTUS TO GIVE HIM A JOB IN THE ADMINISTRATION. HE’S STILL
LYING UNDER OATH. I ASKED UNANIMOUS
CONSENT.>>NO OBJECTION.>>I HAVE ONE MORE FROM BOB
DEAL. GETTING SICK WATCHING THESE HEARINGS. I KNOW MICHAEL
COHEN PERSONALLY FOR MANY YEARS AND HE TOLD ME SEVERAL TIMES
THAT HE WAS VERY ANGRY AND UPSET
THAT HE DIDN’T GET A POST IN THE
WHITE HOUSE AND THAT HE QUOTE WOULD DO WHAT HE HAS TO DO NOW
TO PROTECT HIS FAMILY, CLOSED QUOTE. I ASK THAT BE –>>NO OBJECTION.>>I THANK YOU.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, TWO QUICK ONES.>>THEN IF WE HAVE OTHER ONES
WE’RE GOING TO DO YOU, AND WE’LL
DO THE OTHER ONES I WANT TO GET INTO.>>AND AN ARTICLE IN SALON
MAGAZINE WRITTEN BY STANLEY BRAND, FORMER HOUSE COUNCIL TO
CHIP O’NEAL TITLED OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE SESSION WITH MICHAEL
COHEN LOOKS LIKE AN LEGITIMATE SHOW HEARING.>>I’LL ALLOW THAT INTO ORDER.>>I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT IN A
LETTER TO YOU AND THE CHAIRMAN REQUESTING THAT YOU CALL DEPUTY
ATTORNEY GENERAL ROD ROSEN STEIN
TO TESTIFY AT THIS HEARING, ALSO
BE PART OF THE RECORD.>>PART OF THE RECORD.>>MR. CHAIRMAN CAN I RESPOND?>>JUST ONE. ALL RIGHT? THE
ARTICLES, I WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS ONE RIGHT AWAY. WE — WHEN
WE SAW THAT ARTICLE, MR. RANKING
MEMBER, WE KNEW THAT IT WAS INACCURATE. ON THE BASICS. THE
CASES THAT MR. BRAND USED ARE DEFINITELY DISTINGUISHABLE FOR
WHAT’S GOING ON HERE, SO WE GOT URBAN B. NATHAN OF THE HOUSE
2007-2010 AND SAYS THE COMMITTEE
HAS AMPLE RESPONSIBILITY TO WEIGH THE TESTIMONY OF MIKEY
COHEN DATED FEBRUARY 25th, 2019 ,
I WANT TO ENTER THAT INTO THE
RECORD. MS. OCASIO-CORTEZ.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I’D
LIKE TO PICK UP ON SOME PREVIOUS
LINES OF QUESTIONS BEFORE GETTING INTO MY OWN SO I MAY GO
A LITTLE BIT QUICKLY TO GET IT ALL IN MIGHT HAVE MINUTES.
FIRST MY COLLEAGUE FROM VERMONT HAD
ASKED YOU SEVERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT AMI, THE PARENT COMPANY OF
THE “NATIONAL ENQUIRER,” AND IN THAT YOU MENTIONED A TREASURE
TROVE, QUOTE TREASURE TROVE OF DOCUMENTS IN DAVID
OFFICE RELATING THE INFORMATION ASSEMBLIED FROM ALL OF THESE
CATCH-AND-KILL OPERATIONS AGAINST PEOPLE WHO POTENTIALLY
HAD DAMAGING INFORMATION ON THE PRESIDENT. YOU ALSO MENTIONED
THE PRESIDENT WAS VERY CONCERNED
ABOUT THE WHEREABOUTS OF THESE DOCUMENTS AND WHO POSSESSED
THEM. DOES THAT TREASURE TROVE OF DOCUMENTS STILL EXIST?>>I DON’T KNOW. I ASKED DAVID
IF FOR THEM.>>YOU WOULD SAY THE PERSON WHO
KNOWS THE WHEREABOUTS OF THESE DOCUMENTS ARE DAVID>>DAVID BARRY LEVINE OR
DYLAN HOWARD.>>SECONDLY, I WANT TO ASK A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR CONVERSATION WITH MY COLLEAGUE
FROM MISSOURI ABOUT INFLATION. TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, DID THE
PRESIDENT EVER PROVIDE INFLATED ASSETS TO AN INSURANCE COMPANY?>>YES.>>WHO ELSE KNOWS THAT THE
PRESIDENT DID THIS?>>ALLEN PIECE WEISS EGGLESTON
BURGELBERG.>>DO WE NEED TO COMPARE TAX
RETURNS IN ORDER TO FIND THEM?>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE LAST
THING HERE, THE TRUMP GOLF ORGANIZATION CURRENTLY HAS A
GOLF COURSE IN MY HOME BORROUGH
OF THE BRONX. I DRIVE PAST IT EVERY DAY GOING BETWEEN THE
BRONX AND QUEENS. IN FACT, “THE WASHINGTON POST” REPORTED ON
THE GOLF COURSE IN AN ARTICLE
ENTITLED “TAXPAYERS BUILT THIS NEW YORK GOLF COURSE AND TRUMP
REAPS THE REWARDS.” THAT IS WHERE MANY NEW YORKERS
AND PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY LEARNED TAXPAYERS SPENT
$127 MILLION TO BUILD TRUMP’S COURSE IN A QUOTE GENEROUS DEAL
ALLOWING PRESIDENT TRUMP TO KEEP
ALMOST EVERY DOLLAR THAT FLOWS IN ON A GOLF COURSE BUILT WITH
PUBLIC FUNDS. AND THIS DOESN’T APPEAR TO BE THE ONLY TIME THE
PRESIDENT HAS BENEFITED AT THE EXPENSE OF THE PUBLIC. MR.
COHEN I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT YOUR
ASSERTION THE PRESIDENT MAY HAVE
IMPROPERLY AVOIDED ASSETS TO AVOID PAYING TAXES. ACCORDING
TO AN AUGUST 21st, 2016 REPORT BY
“THE WASHINGTON POST,” WHILE THE
PRESIDENT CLAIMED IN FINAL DISCLOSURE FORMS TRUMP’S
NATIONAL GOLF CLUB IN JUPITER, FLORIDA, WAS WORTH MORE THAN
$50 MILLION. HE HAD REPORTED OTHERWISE TO LOCAL TAX
AUTHORITIES THAT COURSE WAS WORTH, QUOTE, NO MORE THAN
$5 MILLION. MR. COHEN, DO YOU KNOW WHETHER THIS SPECIFIC
REPORT IS ACCURATE?>>IT’S — IDENTICAL TO WHAT HE
DID AT TRUMP NATIONAL GOLF CLUB AT BRIARCLIFF MANOR.>>TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, WAS THE
PRESIDENT INTERESTED IN REDUCING
HIS LOCAL REAL ESTATE TAX BILLS?>>YES.>>AND HOW DID HE DO THAT?>>WHAT YOU DO IS YOU DEFLATE
THE VALUE OF THE ASSETS, AND THEN YOU PUT IN A REQUEST TO
THE TAX DEPARTMENT FOR A DEDUCTION.>>THANK YOU. NOW, ON
OCTOBER 2018 IN THE “NEW YORK TIMES,” THEY REVEALED THAT
QUOTE PRESIDENT TRUMP PARTICIPATED IN
DUBIOUS TAX SCHEMES DURING THE 1990s, INCLUDING INSTANCES OF
OUT RIGHT FRAUD, THAT GREATLY INCREASED THE FORTUNE HE
RECEIVED FROM HIS PARENTS. IT FURTHER STATED FOR MR. TRUMP
QUOTE HE FORMULATED A STRATEGY TO UNDER VALUE HIS PARENT’S
REAL ESTATE HOLDINGS BY HUNDREDS OF
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON TAX RETURNS, SHARPLY REDUCING HIS
TAX BILL WHEN THOSE PROPERTIES WERE TRANSFERRED TO HIM AND HIS
SIBLINGS. MR. COHEN DO YOU KNOW WHETHER THAT SPECIFIC REPORT IS
ACCURATE?>>I DON’T. I WASN’T THERE IN
THE 1990s.>>WHO WOULD KNOW THE ANSWER TO
THOSE QUESTIONS?>>ALLEN WEISSELBERG.>>AND WOULD IT BENEFIT THE
COMMITTEE TO ADDRESS THAT DISCREPANCY?>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I YIELD
THE REST OF MY TIME TO THE CHAIR.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. ONE
MORE TIME, MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR
LEADERSHIP IN THE WAY IN WHICH YOU COMPORT YOURSELF AND I KNOW
THERE ARE SOME THAT WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE THE MORE YOU SAY
SOMETHING, THE MORE TRUE IT IS, BUT IN FACT, THIS COMMITTEE,
THANKS TO YOUR LEADERSHIP AND OUR DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY HAS
BEEN DOING THE WORK OF THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE. BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE ALONE WE LET THE ISSUE OF
MAKING ELECTION DAY A FEDERAL HOLIDAY,
REDUCING DRUG PRICING, AND PURSUED SUBPOENAS TO REUNITE
FAMILIES AND JUST RECENTLY, BEFORE WE RETURNED HERE, TRIED
TO PASS A UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECK GUN BILL. SO WE’RE DOING
THE BUSINESS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, INCLUDING TODAY. IT HAS
BEEN SAID THE SUNLIGHT IS THE BEST OF DISINFECTANTS. ELECTRIC
LIGHT IS THE MOST EFFICIENT POLICEMAN. WELL, LET THERE BE
LIGHT BECAUSE THE POINT OF OVERSIGHT IS FOR US TO PURSUE
THE TRUST, TO PURSUE THE TRUTH, AND JUSTICE FOR THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND IF LIES, DECEIT, AND CORRUPTION OF
THREATENING AMERICAN DEMOCRACY AND INDEED OUR SAFETY. MR.
CHAIRMAN, CHARITIES SHOULD NOT BE ABUSED AS PERSONAL PIGGY
BANKS. IT IS BOTH AGAINST THE LAW AND EXTREMELY UNFAIR TO
CHARITIES THAT PLAY BY THE RULES. A LINE OF QUESTIONS THAT
WE HAVE NOT YET ADDRESSED AND HAS BEEN ABSENT IN TACKLING, IS
THAT OF THE ABUSE OF THE CHARGES
OF THE FOUNDATION. THE NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERAL FOUND WHAT IT
CALLED QUOTE CLEAR AND REPEATED VIOLATIONS OF STATE AND FEDERAL
LAW, INCLUDING QUOTE WILLFUL SELF DEALING BY THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION. APOLOGIES BY THE
FOUNDATION. IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR
OPENING STATEMENT CORRECTLY, AMID 2013, YOUR A RANGE FOR
PURCHASER FOR A $50,000 FOR A PORTRAIT OF MR. TRUMP PAINTED
BY WILLIAM QUICKLY AT A CHARITY
AUCTION; IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>WHY WOULD THE PRESIDENT WANT
TO BID UP THE PRICE OF SOMETHING
HE WAS ULTIMATELY PAYING FOR?>>HOW WAS IT PAID FOR?>>I BELIEVE IT WAS PAID FOR BY A CHECK BY THE TRUST.>>THIS IS NOT A PARTISAN
PURSUIT HERE. ULTIMATELY WE’RE DEMONSTRATING HIS PATRIOTISM.
THIS IS ABOUT WHAT IS RIGHT AND JEST FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
DID THE PURCHASER PURCHASE THE PAINTING AND THE FOUNDATION
FUNDS REIMBURSE THE STRAW PURCHASER? YOU CAN EXPLAIN THE
MECHANICS OF THAT PAYMENT?>>I’M NOT INVOLVED WITH THE
FOUNDATION.>>OKAY. DID THE PRESIDENT KNOW
WHAT WAS HAPPENING?>>OH, YES.>>AND HOW DID YOU KNOW HE KNEW
WHAT WAS HAPPENING SOME.>>HE ASKED ME TO FIND THE STRAW
BIDDER TO ENSURE THAT HIS PAINTING, WHICH WAS GOING LAST
IN THE AUCTION, WOULD GO FOR THE
HIGHEST AMOUNT OF ANY OF THE PAINTINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT ON
THE AUCTION BLOCK FOR THE DAY. PAINTINGS?>>I BELIEVE IT’S IN ONE OF THE
CLUBS.>>OKAY.>>ACCORDING TO THE NEW YORK
ATTORNEY GENERAL, MARCH 2014, MR. TRUMP AGAIN USED THE
FOUNDATION TO PAY $10,000 FOR THE WINNING BID ON ANOTHER
PORTRAIT OF MR. TRUMP THAT ENDED
UP IN ONE OF HIS GOLF COURSES IN
MIAMI. MR. COHEN ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT TRANSACTION?>>YES.>>ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OTHER
INSTANCES IN WHICH THE TRUMP FOUNDATION WAS USED TO BENEFIT
THE TRUMP FAMILY?>>YES.>>COULD YOU ELABORATE?>>I CREATED TRUST FOR A
UKRAINIAN OLIGARCH AND HE WAS ASKED TO PARTICIPATE IN WHAT
WAS THE UKRAINIAN-AMERICAN ECONOMIC FORUM. UNFORTUNATELY, HE WASN’T
ABLE TO GO BUT I WAS ABLE TO NEGOTIATE BY SKYPE, A
TELEVISION CAMERA VERY MUCH LIKE THAT AND
THEY WOULD TRANSLATE MR. TRUMP TO THE QUESTIONER AND THEN HE
WOULD RESPOND BACK. I WAS
DIRECTED TO HAVE THE CONTRACT IN
THE NAME OF THE DONALD J. FOUNDATION AS OPPOSED TO DONALD
J. TRUMP FOR SERVICES RENDERED. FOUNDATION YOU’D LIKE TO SHARE?
IT IS AGAINST THE LAW AND EXTREMELY UNFAIR TO CHARITIES
PLAYING BY THE RULES.>>NOT AT THIS TIME, BUT IF I
THINK OF ONE, I’LL PASS IT ALONG.>>AND FOR THE BALANCE OF MY
TIME, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT SOMEONE COULD DENY RENTAL UNITS
TO AFRICAN-AMERICANS, LEAD THE BIRTHER MOVEMENT, REFER TO THE
DISAPRA AS HIT HOLE COUNTRIES AND REFER TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS
AS FINE PEOPLE, HAVE A BLACK FRIEND, AND STILL BE RACIST?>>YES.>>I AGREE.>>YOU MAY ANSWER THE QUESTION.>>I SAID YES.>>I HAVE TWO UNANIMOUS CONSENT
SINCE WE’RE FINISHING UP, I WANT
TO GO AHEAD –>>JUST GIVE ME ONE SECOND. I
WANTED TO GET TO MR. SULLY, THEN
I’LL COME TO YOU. THEY’VE BEEN WAITING ALL DAY.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU, ALL OF YOU FOR CENTERING THIS COMMITTEE ON OUR
SOLE PURPOSE IS EXPOSING THE TRUTH AND SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES
CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH AND THIS IS UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE IT’S THE
CENTER OF WHAT IS PROTECTING OUR
COUNTRY RIGHT NOW. THE PEOPLE AT
HOME ARE FRUSTRATED, MR. COHEN, AND THEY WANT CRIMINAL SCHEMES
TO STOP, ESPECIALLY THOSE FROM THE OVAL OFFICE. MR. COHEN, I’M
UPSET AND KNOW THAT MY RESIDENTS
FEEL THE SAME WAY, THAT A MAN YOU WORKED FOR, FOR THE PAST
TEN YEARS IS USING THE MOST POWERFUL
POSITION IN THE WORLD TO HURT OUR COUNTRY SOLELY FOR PERSONAL
GAIN. WE ARE UPSET THAT SOME OF OUR COLLEAGUES HERE ARE SO
DISCONNECTED OF WHAT IT MEANS TO
HAVE THIS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SENDING CHECKS TO
COVER BRIBE PAYMENTS — NOT HUSH
PAYMENTS — BRIBE PAYMENTS YOU MADE ON HIS BEHALF. ONE IN 2017
OF MARCH, AND ANOTHER AUGUST 2017 AFTER HE WAS SWORN
IN AS PRESIDENT. THEY ARE UPSET WHILE MY COLLEAGUES ARE TRYING
TO DISCREDIT YOUR TESTIMONY BY SOME OF YOUR OWN LAWFUL ACTS
AND LIES THEY ARE DISCONNECTED WITH
THE FACT YOU WERE THE PERSONAL LAWYER FOR THIS PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES, THAT THIS
PRESIDENT CHOSE YOU AS HIS LEGAL
COUNSEL. MY STANCE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE SAME, MR. CHAIRMAN,
BASED ON THE FACTS, NOT ON FUTURE REPORTS THAT WE’RE ALL
WAITING ON, MY RESIDENTS BACK HOME DON’T NEED A COLLUSION
CAUSE WITH A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO KNOW THIS PRESIDENT,
INDIVIDUAL ONE, HAS DISREGARDED THE LAW OF THE LAND, THE UNITED
STATES CONSTITUTION, AND THAT HE
HAS MISUSED HIS PARDON POWERS. IN THE SENTENCING MEMO, MR.
COHEN, FILED BY THE FEDERAL PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK, IN STEM
OF LAST YEAR, THEY STATED, QUOTE, IN PARTICULAR, AND AS
COHEN HIMSELF HAS NOW ADMITTED WITH RESPECT TO BOTH PAYMENTS,
HE ACTED IN COORDINATION WITH AND AT THE DIRECTION OF
INDIVIDUAL ONE. MR. COHEN, AS YOU KNOW, MR. DONALD J. TRUMP’S
BRAND COMES FIRST, NOT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. BASED ON WHAT
YOU KNOW NOW BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW NOW IS THAT INDIVIDUAL ONE
USED HIS MONEY, BUSINESSES AND PLATFORM TO ENRICH HIMSELF, HIS
BRAND, AND IN THE PROCESS, DIRECTED YOU, MR. COHEN, TO
COMMIT MULTIPLE FELONIES AND YOU’VE COVERED IT UP, CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>YOU CALLED IT PROTECTING HIS
BRAND, CORRECT?>>AND HIM, AS WELL.>>MR. COHEN, WITH THIS, DO YOU
THINK THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS MAKING
DECISIONS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?>>NO, I DON’T.>>ESPECIALLY THOSE YOU’VE SAID
THAT HE USED HORRIBLE WORDS ABOUT, LIKE AFRICAN-AMERICANS,
MUSLIM-AMERICANS, AND IMMIGRANTS?>>YES.>>JUST TO MAKE SO, MR. CHAIRMAN
BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS A PERSON OF COLOR, A BLACK PERSON WORKING
FOR THEM DOES NOT MEAN THEY AREN’T RACIST AND IT IS
INSENSITIVE THAT SOME WOULD EVEN
SAY THE FACT THAT SOMEONE WOULD ACTUALLY USE A PROP, A BLACK
WOMAN, IN THIS CHAMBER, IN THIS COMMITTEE, IS ALONE RACISM IN
ITSELF. DONALD TRUMP IS SAYING SOMETHING –>>I ASK HER WORDS ARE TAKEN
DOWN.>>I RECLAIM MY TIME.>>MR. TRUMP IS SETTING A
PRECEDENT THE HIGHEST OFFICE –>>COVER UP AND HOLD ON TO
BUSINESS ASSETS TO BREAK CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS AND
CONSTITUTIONAL CLAUSES. WHAT WE HAVE HERE, MR. CHAIRMAN, IS
CRIMINAL CONDUCT AND THE PURSUIT
OF THE HIGHEST PUBLIC OFFICE BY MR. COHEN AND INDIVIDUAL ONE. I
HOPE THAT THE GRAVITY OF THIS SITUATION HITS EVERYONE IN THIS
BODY.>>THE CARPENTERER –>>IN CONGRESS AND ACROSS THIS
COUNTRY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, I YIELD THE REST OF MY
TIME.>>I ASK THAT HER WORDS, WHEN
SHE’S REFERRING TO AN INDIVIDUAL
OF THIS BODY BE TAKEN DOWN AND STRICKEN FROM THE RECORD. I’M
SURE SHE DIDN’T INTEND TO DO THIS, BUT IF ANYONE KNOWS MY
RECORD AS IT RELATES, IT SHOULD BE YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WOULD
LIKE –>>HOLD ON.>>I WANT THE WORDS READ BACK.>>NO.>>WE WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT
SHE SAID ABOUT THE COLLEAGUES. REPHRASE THAT STATEMENT?>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, I
CAN READ IT FROM HERE.>>JUST TO MAKE A NOTE, MR.
CHAIRMAN, THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS A PERSON OF COLOR, A
BLACK PERSON WORKING FOR THEM DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE RACIT
AND IT IS INSENSITIVE SOMEONE WOULD
SAY RACIST — SAY IT IS RACIST IN ITSELF AND TO USE A BLACK
WOMAN IN A PROP TO PROVE IT OTHERWISE AND I CAN SUBMIT THIS
FOR THE FOR THE RECORD IF A COLLEAGUE IS THINKING THAT’S
WHAT I’M SAYING, I’M JUST SAYING
THAT’S WHAT I BELIEVE TO HAVE HAPPENED, AS A PERSON OF COLOR
IN THIS COMMITTEE, THAT’S HOW I FELT AT THAT MOMENT AND I WANT
TO THE EXPRESS THAT BUT I’M NOT CALLING THE GENTLEMAN, MR.
MEADOWS, A RACIST FOR DOING SO. I’M SAYING IN ITSELF, IT IS A
RACIST ACT.>>I HOPE NOT, MR. CHAIRMAN,
BECAUSE I NEED TO BE CLEAR ON THIS PARTICULAR — MR.
CHAIRMAN –>>MR. MEADOWS, WAIT A MINUTE.>>I’VE DEFENDED YOU –>>MR. MEADOWS. I UNDERSTAND. I
WILL CLEAR THIS UP. NOW, IS IT — I WANT TO MAKE SURE I
UNDERSTAND, YOU DID NOT — YOU WERE NOT INTENDING TO CALL MR.
MEADOWS A RACIST, IS THAT RIGHT?>>NO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO NOT
CALL MR. MEADOWS A RACIST. I AM TRYING, AS A PERSON OF COLOR,
MR. CHAIRMAN TO EXPRESS MYSELF AND HOW I FELT AT THAT MOMENT,
AND SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, THAT’S WHAT WAS MY INTENTION.>>ALL RIGHT.>>MR. MEADOWS.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE IS
NOTHING MORE PERSONAL TO ME THAN
MY RELATIONSHIP. MY NIECES AND NEPHEWS ARE PEOPLE OF COLOR.
NOT MANY PEOPLE KNOW THAT. YOU KNOW
THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND TO INDICATE THAT I ASKED SOMEONE
WHO IS A PERSONAL FRIEND OF THE TRUMP FAMILY, WHO HAS WORKED
FOR HIM, WHO KNOWS THIS PARTICULAR
INDIVIDUAL, THAT SHE’S COMING IN
TO BE A PROP? IT’S RACIST TO SUGGEST THAT I ASKED HER TO
COME IN HERE FOR THAT REASON. MR.
PRESIDENT — THE PRESIDENT’S OWN
PERSON, SHE’S A FAMILY MEMBER, SHE LOVE THIS IS FAMILY, SHE
CAME IN BECAUSE SHE FELT LIKE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES WAS GETTING FALSELY ACCUSED AND MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU
ARE — YOU AND I HAVE A PERSONAL
RELATIONSHIP THAT’S NOT BASED ON
COLOR. AND TO EVEN GO DOWN THIS DIRECTION IS WRONG, MR.
CHAIRMAN.>>FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK
YOU, GENTLEMEN, FOR WHAT YOU HAVE STATED. IF THERE IS ANYONE
WHO IS SENSITIVE, WITH REGARD TO
RACE, IT’S ME. SON OF FORMER SHARE CROPPERS, THAT WERE
BASICALLY SLAVES. SO I GET IT. I
LISTENED VERY CAREFULLY TO MR. SULLY. AND I THOUGHT THAT WE CAN CHAIRMAN ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT
TO MAKE THE JULY 26, 2018 WASHINGTON POST ARTICLE MICHAEL
COHEN SECRETLY RECORDED TRUMP, DOES THAT MAKE HIM A BAD LAWYER
PART OF THE RECORD. THE ARTICLE DESCRIBES POTENTIAL ETHICAL,
COHEN RECORDING HIS CLIENT, TRUMP WITHOUT THE CLIENTS
KNOWLEDGE. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION. SO
ORDERED. >>
>>ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MAKE THE GENERATING, 2018 HUFFINGTON
POST ARTICLE, 11 TWEETS FROM THE FAKE FAN ACCOUNT ANY PART OF THE RECORD, IT’S
DESCRIBED AS A PLACE FOR WOMEN WHO LOVE AND SUPPORT MICHAEL
COHEN.>>WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO
ORDERED. >>TAKING MR. CHAIRMAN I WOULD
ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO ASK THE 2018 ARTICLE IN MOTHER JONES
TITLED MICHAEL COHEN HAS NEVER BEEN TO
PRAGUE, HE TOLD ME A DIFFERENT STORY. PART OF THE RECORD.
>>WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED.
>>VERY WELL. I HAVE SOME CONCLUDING REMARKS BUT BEFORE I
DO THAT , DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD
LIKE TO SAY? >>YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD. I
HAVE SOME CLOSING REMARKS I WOULD LIKE TO SAY MYSELF. IS THIS AN APPROPRIATE TIME?
>>YOU CAN DO IT NOW. >>FIRST I WANT TO THANK YOU,
CHAIRMAN, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE SOME FINAL
THOUGHTS. I’VE ACKNOWLEDGED I’VE MADE MY OWN MISTAKES, I HAVE
OWNED UP TO THEM PUBLICLY AND UNDER OATH. BUT SILENCE AND
COMPLICITY, IN THE FACE OF THE DAILY DESTRUCTION OF OUR BASIC
NORM SENSIBILITY TO ONE ANOTHER WILL NOT BE ONE OF THEM. I DID
THINGS, AND ACTED IMPROPERLY, AT TIMES AT MR. TRUMP’S BEHEST, I
BLINDLY FOLLOWED HIS DEMANDS, MY LOYALTY TO MR. TRUMP HAS COST ME
EVERYTHING. MY FAMILIES HAPPINESS, FRIENDSHIPS, MY LAW
LICENSE, MY COMPANY, MY LIVELIHOOD, MY HONOR, MY
REPUTATION, AND SOON, MY FREEDOM. I WILL NOT SIT BACK, SAYING
NOTHING, AND ALLOWING HIM TO DO THE SAME TO THE COUNTRY. INDEED,
GIVEN MY EXPERIENCE WORKING FOR MR. TRUMP. I FEAR THAT IF HE
LOSES THE ELECTION IN 2020, THAT THERE WILL NEVER BE A PEACEFUL
TRANSITION OF POWER, THIS IS WHY I AGREED TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU
TODAY. IN CLOSING, I’D LIKE TO SAY DIRECTLY TO THE PRESIDENT,
WE HONOR OUR VETERANS, YOU TELL THE TRUTH, EVEN WHEN IT DOESN’T
AGGRANDIZE YOU, YOU RESPECT THE LAW AND OUR INCREDIBLE LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENTS, AND DON’T COLONIZE THEM. YOU DON’T DISPARAGE GENERALS,
GOLDSTAR FAMILIES, PRISONERS OF WAR, AND OTHER HEROES WHO HAVE
THE COURAGE TO FIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY. YOU DON’T ATTACK THE
MEDIA, AND THOSE WHO QUESTION WHAT YOU DON’T LIKE OR WHERE
WHAT YOU DON’T WANT THEM TO SAY. YOU TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR
OWN DIRTY DEEDS . YOU DON’T USE YOUR POWER OF
YOUR BULLY PULPIT TO DESTROY THE CREDIBILITY OF THOSE WHO SPEAK
OUT AGAINST YOU. YOU DON’T SEPARATE FAMILIES FROM ONE
ANOTHER OR DEMONIZE THOSE LOOKING TO AMERICA FOR A BETTER
LIFE. YOU DON’T VILIFY PEOPLE, BASED ON THE GOD THEY PRAY TO,
WHEN THEY DON’T CUDDLE UP TO OUR ADVERSARIES AT THE EXPENSE OF
OUR ALLIES. AND FINALLY, YOU DON’T SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT
BEFORE CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR’S, JUST TO APPEASE YOUR BASE. THIS
BEHAVIOR IS, IT DENIGRATES THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT AND IT’S
SIMPLY NOT AMERICAN. IT’S NOT YOU. TO THOSE WHO SUPPORT THE
PRESIDENT AND HIS RHETORIC AS I ONCE DID, I PRAY THE COUNTRY
DOESN’T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES I HAVE MADE , OR PAY THE HEAVY PRICE THAT MY
FAMILY AND I ARE PAYING. AND I THINK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS
ADDITIONAL TIME, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THE
RANKING MEMBER HAS A CLOSING STATEMENT.
>>THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. COHEN, WE KNOW HE HAS BEEN
DISHONEST IN THE FAT PAST, THAT’S LIKE GOING TO
PRISON IN TWO MONTHS, BUT THERE ARE THINGS TODAY THAT HE SAID
DURING THE SEVERAL HOURS OF QUESTIONING THAT JUST DON’T ADD
UP, EITHER. HE SAID HE NEVER DEFRAUDED ANY BANK, HE WAS
HAVING A CONVERSATION QUESTIONING FOR MR. COMBER,
OBVIOUSLY THAT’S NOT TRUE BECAUSE HE’S GOING TO PRISON FOR
THAT VERY OFFENSE. HE SAID THAT HE WAS A GOOD LAWYER WHO
UNDERSTOOD THE NEED TO REPRESENT HIS CLIENT WITH LEGAL ADVICE,
BUT IN HIS WRITTEN TESTIMONY HE SAID HE NEVER BOTHERED TO
CONSIDER WHETHER PAYMENTS TO WOMEN FOR IMPROPER , WERE IMPROPER, MUCH LESS, THE
RIGHT THING TO DO. HE ATTESTED IN HIS TESTIMONY THAT HE DID NOT HAVE
ANY REPORTABLE CONTRACTS WITH FOREIGN GOVERNMENT ENTITIES,
EARLIER HE ADMITTED TO HAVING CONSULTING AGREEMENTS WITH AT
LEAST TWO FOREIGN ENTITIES, IN PART BY FOREIGN GOVERNMENT. HE SAID TO CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS
THAT DONALD TRUMP DIRECTED HIM AND THAT TRUMP ORGANIZATION TO GO BACK TO HIS OFFICE AND
FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THE HUNDRED $30,000 PAYMENT, BUT IN
HIS TESTIMONY YOU SAID MR. TRUMP DIRECTED ME, TO USE MY OWN
PERSONAL FUNDS FROM THE HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT TO AVOID
ANY MONEY BEING TRACED BACK TO HIM THAT COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT
THE CAMPAIGN. AND IN RESPONSE TO THE FAKE TWITTER ACCOUNT, THAT HE DIDN’T DIRECT
THE COMMISSION OF THAT TWITTER ACCOUNT, HE SAID I DIDN’T SET
THAT UP, AND IT WAS DONE BY A YOUNG LADY WHO WORKS FOR THE
FIRM, WHEN IN FACT, HE DID ASK THE IT FIRM TO SET IT UP
ACCORDING TO THE OWNER OF REDFISH. FINALLY, HE SAID HE
DIDN’T WANT A JOB WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, EVEN THOUGH THE
ATTORNEYS WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK STATED THIS
WAS THE FACT WHEN ASKED ABOUT THIS THEY SAID I WOULDN’T CALL
THEM LIARS BUT THAT STATEMENT IS NOT ACCURATE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I
THINK MAYBE MORE IMPORTANTLY IS WHAT WE SHOULD’VE BEEN DOING
TODAY, MR. MEADOWS AND I SENT YOU A LETTER, ASKING YOU TO HAVE
MR. ROSENSTEIN HERE, I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT LAST
WEEK WHEN YOU ANNOUNCED THAT MR. COHEN WAS COMING THIS WEEK, JUST
HAPPENED TO BE THE VERY SAME WEEK THAT WE LEARNED THE DEPUTY
ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES WAS THINKING ABOUT
WEARING A WIRE TO RECORD THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF, WAS ACTUALLY
CONTEMPLATING TALKING TO, CABINET MEMBERS AND INVOKING THE
25th AMENDMENT, THAT’S WHAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON, NOT THIS
SAD DISPLAY WE’VE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE LAST SEVERAL HOURS.
AGAIN, NOT MY WORDS, YOU CAN TAKE THE WORDS OF THE FORMAL
GENERAL COUNSEL OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, I HOPE WE HAVE
LEARNED SOMETHING HERE TODAY, MR. CHAIRMAN AS I SAID EARLIER,
YOUR FIRST BIG HEARING, THE FIRST ANNOUNCED WITNESS OF THE
116th CONGRESS, A GENTLEMAN WHO IS GOING TO PRISON IN TWO
MONTHS FOR LYING TO CONGRESS. I DON’T THINK THAT’S WHAT WE
SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU
KNOW, I SAID HERE AND I LISTENED TO ALL OF THIS. AND IT’S VERY
PAINFUL. IT’S VERY PAINFUL. YOU MADE A LOT OF MISTAKES, MR.
COHEN, AND YOU HAVE ADMITTED THAT. AND, ONE OF THE SADDEST PARTS OF
THIS WHOLE THING, IS THAT SOME VERY INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE
HURTING, TOO. AND YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. AND, THAT’S YOUR FAMILY. YOU COME HERE TODAY , DEEP IN MY HEART, WHEN I
PRACTICED LAW I REPRESENT A LOT OF LAWYERS WHO GOT IN TROUBLE , AND YOU COME SAYING I MADE MY
MISTAKES, BUT NOW I WANT TO CHANGE MY LIFE. YOU KNOW, IF WE, AS A NATION DID NOT GIVE PEOPLE AN
OPPORTUNITY AFTER THEY MADE MISTAKES TO CHANGE THEIR LIVES , A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD
NOT DO VERY WELL. I DON’T KNOW WHERE YOU GO FROM HERE. AS I SAT
HERE AND I LISTENED TO BOTH SIDES , I JUST FELT AS IF AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE NOW
USING MY WORDS THAT THEY TOOK FROM ME, THAT DIDN’T GIVE ME ANY
CREDIT, WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS. WE ARE SO MUCH, WE REALLY ARE,
AS A COUNTRY, WE ARE SO MUCH BETTER THAN THIS. AND, YOU KNOW, I TOLD YOU, FOR SOME REASON, MR.
COHEN, I TELL MY CHILDREN I SAY WHEN BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO YOU,
DO NOT ASK THE QUESTION, WHY DID IT HAPPEN TO ME, ASKED THE
QUESTION, WHY DID IT HAPPEN FOR ME? I DON’T KNOW WHY THIS IS
HAPPENING FOR YOU, BUT IT IS MY HOPE THAT A SMALL PART OF IT IS
FOR OUR COUNTRY TO BE BETTER . IF I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY, IT
SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE CRYING OUT FOR A NEW NORMAL, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT OUR DEMOCRACY STAYS INTACT. THE ONE MEETING I HAD WITH
PRESIDENT TRUMP I SAID TO HIM, THE GREATEST GIFT THAT YOU AND
I, MR. PRESIDENT, CAN GIVE TO OUR CHILDREN, IS MAKING SURE
THAT WE GIVE THEM A DEMOCRACY THAT IS INTACT. A DEMOCRACY,
BETTER THAN THE ONE THAT WE CAME UPON. AND I’M HOPING THAT, THE
THINGS YOU’VE SAID TODAY WILL HELP US TO GET BACK THERE. YOU
KNOW, I MEAN, COME ON NOW, WHEN YOU’VE GOT, ACCORDING TO THE
WASHINGTON POST, OUR PRESIDENT HAS MADE 1718 FALSE OR MEET MISLEADING
STATEMENTS, THAT’S STUNNING. THAT’S NOT WHAT WE TEACH OUR
CHILDREN. I DON’T TEACH MINE THAT. AND, FOR WHATEVER REASON,
YOU FELT LIKE YOU GOT CAUGHT UP IN IT. YOU GOT CAUGHT UP IN IT.
YOU GOT CAUGHT UP IN IT. AND IN SOME KIND OF WAY, I HOPE THAT, I
KNOW THAT IT’S PAINFUL GOING TO PRISON, I KNOW IT’S GOT TO BE
PAINFUL BEING CALLED A RACK, RAT, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON’T KNOW THE
SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT BUT I LIVE IN THE INNER CITY OF BALTIMORE,
WHEN YOU CALL SOMEBODY A RAT, THAT’S ONE OF THE WORST THINGS
THAT YOU CAN CALL THEM, BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO TO PRISON, THE
PRESIDENT CALLED YOU A RAT, WE ARE BETTER THAN THAT. WE REALLY
ARE. AND I’M HOPING THAT ALL OF US CAN GIVE BACK TO THIS
DEMOCRACY THAT WHAT WE CAN PASS ON TO OUR CHILDREN SO THEY CAN
DO BETTER THAN WHAT WE DID. SO YOU WONDER, WHETHER PEOPLE
BELIEVE YOU. I DON’T KNOW. I DON’T KNOW WHETHER THEY BELIEVE
YOU. BUT THE FACT IS, THAT YOU COME, YOU’VE GOT YOUR HEAD
DOWN, THIS IS GOT TO BE ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS THAT YOU
COULD DO. LET ME TELL YOU THE PICTURE THAT REALLY PAINED ME.
YOU WERE LEAVING THE PRISON, YOU WERE LEAVING THE COURTHOUSE AND
I GUESS IT IS YOUR DAUGHTER, HAVE BRACES OR SOMETHING ON,
MAN, THAT THING HURT ME. AS A FATHER OF TWO DAUGHTERS, IT
HURT ME. AND I CAN IMAGINE HOW IT MUST FEEL FOR YOU. BUT I’M
JUST SAYING TO YOU, I WANT TO FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU. I KNOW
THAT THIS HAS BEEN HARD, I KNOW THAT YOU’VE FACED A LOT, I KNOW
THAT YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT YOUR FAMILY. BUT THIS IS A PART OF
YOUR DESTINY. AND HOPEFULLY, THIS PORTION OF YOUR DESTINY
WILL LEAD TO A BETTER, A BETTER, BETTER MICHAEL COHEN, A BETTER
DONALD TRUMP, A BETTER, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND A
BETTER WORLD. AND I MEAN THAT, FROM THE DEPTHS OF MY HEART, WHEN WE ARE
DANCING WITH THE ANGELS, THE QUESTION WILL BE ASKED, IN 2019,
WHAT DID WE DO? TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEPT OUR DEMOCRACY IN
TACT. DID WE STAND ON THE SIDELINES AND SAY NOTHING? I’M TIRED OF THE STATEMENT
SAYING , PEOPLE COMING HERE AND SAYING
OH, THIS IS THE FIRST HEARING, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST HEARING.
THE FIRST HEARING WITH REGARDS TO PRESCRIPTION DRUGS, REMEMBER,
A LITTLE GIRL, A LADY SAT THERE, HER DAUGHTER DIED BECAUSE SHE
COULD NOT GET $333 A MONTH IN INSULIN. THAT WAS OUR FIRST
HEARING. SECOND HEARING. HR ONE, VOTING RIGHTS,
CORRUPTION IN GOVERNMENT, NOW. COME ON NOW, WE CAN DO MORE THAN
ONE THING AND WE HAVE GOT TO GET BACK TO NORMAL. WITH THAT, THIS
MEETING IS ADJOURNED.>>>CHAIRMAN ELIJAH CUMMINGS
ENDING THIS HEARING, REMINDING EVERYONE
THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS OTHER TOPICS THEY ARE COVERING,
LETTING MICHAEL COHEN GO FOR THE DAY,
YOU WILL SEE MICHAEL COHEN AGAIN ON CAPITOL HILL AGAIN TOMORROW
WHEN HE GOES BEFORE THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, THAT IS
BEHIND DOORS. THIS WAS THE PUBLIC MOMENT FOR MICHAEL COHEN
TO GO BEFORE CONGRESS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO TELL HIS
STORY IN A PUBLIC AND VISIBLE WAY. HE CAN TO THEIR
CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS, SHAKING THE HANDS OF SOME OF HIS COLLEAGUES,
REALLY AN EXPLOSIVE LAST PORTION OF TESTIMONY, THIS HEARING
WRAPPING UP, ABOUT 7.5 HOURS AFTER IT BEGAN. EMILY HEIL, EVEN IN THE LAST
FIVE QUESTIONERS ALONE, DEMOCRATS, LED THE QUESTIONING
BUT REPUBLICANS WERE POPPING IN, WANTING TO INSERT ITEMS INTO THE
RECORD OR RAISING CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD, EVEN WITH THESE LAST
FIVE MEMBERS OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, WE DID ACTUALLY GET A
COUPLE MORE ANSWERS AND MORE DIRECT LINES OF QUESTIONING.
>>THERE WAS ACTUALLY SOME SUBSTANCE HERE AT THE END OF
THIS HEARING. I’M THINKING OF OF ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ THERE
WAS AN EXPECTATION THAT SHE MIGHT BE GRANDSTANDING, SHE’S A
FRESHMAN MEMBER, SHE’S HAD SO MUCH ATTENTION PAID TO HER.
SHE’S BEEN CRITICIZED FOR BEING INEXPERIENCED AND BEING A
LIGHTWEIGHT, SHE BROUGHT NONE OF THAT TO THIS HEARING, SHE
ACTUALLY CAME IN WITH VERY THINK DIRECT QUESTIONS, CLEARLY HAD
THE NAME UNLIKE SOME OF HER DEMOCRATIC
COLLEAGUES AND REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES FOR THAT MATTER. SHE
SEEMED TO BE LOOKING TO GET NAMES, GET INFORMATION THAT THEN
COULD BE USED TO FURTHER THE COMMITTEE’S INVESTIGATION, AND
THAT SEEMED INTERESTING BECAUSE THIS WAS A MOMENT FOR HER TO
MAKE A PUBLIC STATEMENT OR TO HAVE ANYTHING WRAPPED UP HERE IN
THIS HEARING, BUT RATHER WITH AN EYE TOWARD DEVELOPING, GETTING,
LISTENING, NAMES AND INFORMATION OUT OF MICHAEL COHEN THAT COULD
BE USED FOR SUBPOENAS, POSSIBLE OTHER
WITNESSES TO COME BEFORE THIS OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE.
>>IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS TO SHOW
WHY THEY ARE THERE, AND TO DO THE JOB OF CONGRESS. ALEXANDRIA
OCASIO-CORTEZ HAS GOTTEN SO MUCH ATTENTION NOT JUST FROM PEOPLE
ON THE LEFT BUT PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT WHO SEEM BOTH DRAWN TO HER
AND FINDING HER TO BE A FIGURE THAT THEY THINK THEY CAN GET
MILEAGE OUT OF, OF THE WORDS THAT YOU WERE MENTIONING, BEEN
THROWN AWAY, SHE SHOWED, NO I’M HERE TO DO MY
JOB AND GET SOME ANSWERS, YOU CAN TALK ALL YOU WANT BUT LET’S
GET TO THE MEAT OF MY LINE OF QUESTIONING. WE ALSO SAW A VERY
INTENSE EXCHANGE BETWEEN CONGRESS,, MS. TLAIB, AND MR. MEADOWS,
WHEN MS. TLAIB WAS THE SECOND WOMAN
IN A ROW, WE HEARD RIGHT BEFORE HER , BE CRITICAL OF THE USE OF
AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN LOYALIST TO PRESENT TRUMP TO SHOW OR
DEMONSTRATE IN SOME WAY THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP IS NOT A RACIST, BROUGHT THAT UP, AND POKING
HOLES IN IT, THAT’S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE, EMILY, THAT MOMENT AND THAT
BEING QUITE ELECTRIC. >>IT REALLY WAS, THE CHAIRMAN
FINALLY DEFUSED IT AT THE END BUT IT REALLY LOOKED LIKE FOR A
MOMENT, THAT THIS HEARING HAD GONE A BIT OFF THE RAILS, YOU
COULD WATCH MICHAEL COHEN TAKING A STEP BACK AND WATCHING
THIS AS IF, OH WOW, THIS HAS BECOME SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT.
SUDDENLY THE FOCUS WAS NOT ON HIM, VERY MUCH BETWEEN THESE TWO
MEMBERS OF THE PANEL, A MORE SENIOR AND JUNIOR MEMBER. AND
THE CONGRESSMAN, THE CONGRESSWOMAN WAS ASKED TO
CLARIFY WHAT SHE MEANT AND SHE SAID I WAS NOT CALLING MY
COLLEAGUE A RACIST. I WAS SAYING THAT THIS ACT WAS RACIST. THAT
WAS THE THREAD, THE THREAD THAT SHE
MADE, THREADING THE NEEDLE, SO THAT SHE WASN’T CRITICIZING HIM
PERSONALLY, BUT RATHER CRITICIZING AND ASK.
>>IT WAS FAIR GAME.>>SHE STILL STOOD BY HER ASSERTION
THAT IT WAS RACIST, AND AS CONGRESSMAN PRESLEY OUTLINED
THAT, THE LEADING QUESTION OF, IF YOU
SAY THERE WERE GOOD PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF CHARLOTTESVILLE,
IF YOU ENGAGE IN SKETCHY HOUSING PRACTICES FOR AFRICAN-AMERICANS,
IF YOU CRITICIZE AFRICAN COUNTRIES AS BEING WHOLE COUNTRIES, BUT IF YOU
STILL KNOW A BLACK PERSON, CAN YOU STILL BE A RACIST.
>>THIS WAS THE HOUSE, I THINK WE ARE SEEING THIS INTERESTING
COLLISION OF VARIED FIREBRAND, YOUNG MEMBERS,
COMING IN AND COLLIDING A LITTLE BIT WITH THE RULES OF CONGRESS,
WHICH CALL FOR THIS VERY MEASURED DEBATE. THERE ARE A LOT OF RULES
THAT SURROUND THE DEBATE, THIS IS NOT LIKE A CABLE TV PANEL OR
TWITTER WHERE YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU LIKE, THERE ARE RULES YOU
CAN’T ATTACK YOUR COLLEAGUES DIRECTLY, THERE ARE RULES ON THE
HOUSE FLOOR. I’M SEEING THIS AS AN INTERESTING INSTITUTIONAL
MOMENT.>> THAT’S THE REASON WHY
CONGRESSWOMAN TLAIB MIGHT PULL BACK A LITTLE BIT AND SAY I WILL
REPEAT MY STATEMENT , MY EXPERIENCE OF IT IS RACIST, I’M
NOT CALLING MARK MEADOWS RACIST. LET’S GO TO OUR COLLEAGUE RHONDA
COLEMAN WHO WAS IN THE ROOM WHEN THE EXCHANGE TOOK
PLACE. I LIKE TO GET FROM YOU, THE LEVEL OF TENSION, THE
HEARING WAS HITTING HIM AND POINT HERE, WHEN THIS ALL BLEW
UP? >>THAT’S RIGHT, LIBBY, I WAS
THERE I ALSO SAW HOW CONGRESSMAN MEADOWS, HE SEEMED
EMOTIONAL WHEN HE SAID TO THE CHAIR, YOU KNOW MY HISTORY, HE
WAS AMONG THE FEW THAT KNOW THAT REPRESENTATIVE DOES HAS
PEOPLE OF COLOR IN HIS FAMILY AND HE WOULD NOT TRY TO DO SOME
SORT OF PLOY TO BRING RACE INTO IT . IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE, WE
DID GO BACK TO RACE, IT WAS EARLY THIS MORNING WHEN MARK
MEADOWS BROUGHT IN LYNN PATTON, WHO IS A FORMER TRUMP EMPLOYEE,
AND NOW AN EMPLOYEE WITH HUD. WROUGHT HER IN, AND
CONGRESSWOMAN TLAIB MENTIONED THIS WAS VERY INSENSITIVE. I
THINK EMILY MENTIONED THIS. IT WAS AN EXCHANGE THAT WE FORGOT
THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT COHEN FOR A MINUTE. SO, THAT WAS A
VERY INTERESTING MOMENT TO BE IN THERE.
>>I’M HUMBLED, I’M THANKFUL FOR CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS TO GIVE ME AN
OPPORTUNITY TO TELL MY TRUTH AND I HOPE THAT AS CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS
SAID IT HOPES TO HELP HEAL AMERICA AND I THANK YOU ALL
AGAIN. HAVE A GOOD DAY.>>MICHAEL COHEN ADDRESSING THE CAMERAS AND REPORTERS ALL ASKING
QUESTIONS AS HE LEFT THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE HEARING
ROOM. THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT WHAT IT WAS LIKE IN THE
COURTROOM. I WANT TO CIRCLE BACK TO THE COMMENTS THAT RHONDA WAS
MAKING, THERE WERE A COUPLE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, ALL WOMEN,
ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT MARK MEADOWS, BRINGING IN
SOMEONE WHO WASN’T A SCHEDULED WITNESS OR ANYONE ELSE, BRINGING
IN LYNN PATTON TO JUST APPEAR AND MAKE A POINT, WE SAW IT COME
TO A FULL HEAD AT THE END OF THE HEARING WITH SOME OF THE NEWER,
YOUNGER MEMBERS OF CONGRESS. >>ABSOLUTELY. CONGRESSMAN
MEADOWS SAID SHE WAS THERE IN HER UNOFFICIAL CAPACITY,>>SHE IS NOW IN AUTHORITY AT
HUD. >>SHE IS CLEARLY SOMEONE WHO
WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A CHARACTER WITNESS TO DISPUTE THE CLAIMS
THAT MICHAEL COHEN MADE DURING HIS OPENING STATEMENT AND THEN
ANSWER SOME QUESTIONING ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE BELIEVES DONALD
TRUMP TO BE A RACIST. >>MICHAEL COHEN SAYING A FEW
WORDS FOR YOU GET SOME REST TONIGHT AND COMES BACK TO
CAPITOL HILL TOMORROW, BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
WE WILL BE WATCHING CAPITOL HILL TO SEE IF WE CAN PULL OUT SOME
THREADS OF WHAT HAPPEN THERE TOMORROW. BUT, HE LEFT WITH A
CLOSING STATEMENT, WITNESSES DON’T ALWAYS DO, IT’S NOT A
GIVEN THAT A GERMAN WOULD INVITE YOU TO DO THAT, BUT CONGRESSMAN
CUMMINGS ALLOWED MICHAEL COHEN TO AND HE DID SO. AND EMILY, HE
BOTH SEEMED TO BE EXPRESSING CONTRITION FOR HIS PAST
BEHAVIOR, AND HE ENGAGED IN SOME OF THE SAME ACCESS CRITICIZING
THE CURRENT THE PRESIDENT FOR NOW, HE ALSO HAD A WARNING.
INCLUDING ONE THAT WAS SURPRISING, HE SAID
THAT IF PRESIDENT TRUMP DID NOT WIN REELECTION HE IS CONCERNED
ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN NEXT.
>>HE SAID THERE WOULD NOT BE A PEACEFUL TRANSITION OF POWER
WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A PRETTY STRIKING NOTE TO END YOUR
TESTIMONY ON. THAT IS A VERY SERIOUS CHARGE, IT’S HARD TO
SORT OF IMAGINE, WHAT DID HE MEAN BY THAT, I THINK IF THERE
HAD BEEN MORE TIME POSSIBLY FORMAL QUESTIONING, SOME MEMBERS
COULD HAVE TEASE THAT OUT A LITTLE MORE, I ALSO FOUND IT
INTERESTING THAT IN HIS CLOSING REMARKS HE TALKED A LOT ABOUT
SOME OF THE SPECIFIC ISSUE , POLICY ISSUES ON WHICH HE
DISAGREED WITH THE PRESIDENT AND TO INDICATE THAT THOSE WERE
THINGS THAT CAUSED HIM TO COME FORWARD. YOU KNOW, HE MENTIONED,
THE CHILD SEPARATION POLICY. HE MENTIONED SHUTTING DOWN THE
GOVERNMENT. HERE WE HAVE MICHAEL COHEN, WHO UP UNTIL THEN HAD NOT
REALLY, CITING THOSE KIND OF THINGS, JUST POLICY THIS PREMISE
BUT INDICATING IT WAS A FUNDAMENTAL CHARACTER OF SOMEONE
WHO WOULD DO THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, AND SEEING THAT IS WHY
HE FELT HE HAD TO DO WHAT HE WAS DOING.
>>AND HE SAYING THAT UNDER OATH. AS REPUBLICANS POINTED OUT
AND DEMOCRATS AS WELL, HE ALSO HAS SKIN IN THE GAME BECAUSE
HE’S FACING PRISON TIME, IN ABOUT TWO MONTHS, HE WILL BE IN
JAIL FOR THREE YEARS. HE IS CERTAINLY FACING THAT JAIL TIME BECAUSE OF
LYING TO CONGRESS. LET’S GIVE YOU THE TOP TAKEAWAYS FROM THE
HEARING TODAY. MICHAEL COHEN ALLEGED THAT THE PRESIDENT KNEW
IN ADVANCE THE PLANS OF WIKILEAKS TO PUBLISH THE HACKED
EMAILS, HE ALSO WENT INTO DETAIL ABOUT THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO
WOMEN THAT THE PRESIDENT IS ALLEGED TO HAVE AFFAIRS WITH, HE
TALKED ABOUT LYING TO MRS. TRUMP AND HOW THAT MUCH PAIN HIM, AND
HE ALSO STARTED TO GET AT SOME OTHER TOPICS THAT WILL BE OF GREAT INTEREST
TO PROSECUTORS AS WELL AS MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, IN TERMS OF
SOME OF THE TIMELINES OF A TRUMP TOWER IN MOSCOW ARE, WHO KNEW WHAT WHEN AND THE
INVOLVEMENT OF FAMILY MEMBERS AS WELL.
>>THERE WERE THINGS BROUGHT UP ABOUT INSURANCE FRAUD,
PARTICULARLY, ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ WAS TALKING ABOUT INSURANCE FRAUD, SHE WAS TALKING
ABOUT TAX FRAUD, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I THINK WILL GET
SOME FOLLOW-UP OTHER INVESTIGATIVE BODIES.
>>THINK YOU SO MUCH FOR WATCHING OUR COVERAGE TODAY.
FOLLOW, SUBSCRIBE TO GET ALERTS, I’M LIBBY CASEY, I’D LIKE TO
THINK EMILY KYLE FOR BEING WITH US. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
WATCHING.

Stephen Childs

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