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The National for February 6, 2019 — Juan Guaido, National in Alberta, Brawl Suspensions


(*)>>Adrienne: ON THIS WEDNESDAY NIGHT WE TALK WITH VENEZUELA’S JUAN GUIADÓ. YOU’RE NOT AFRAID?>>NO, NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.>>Adrienne: WHY THE WOULD BE PRESIDENT THINKS HE HASN’T BEEN ARRESTED YET. HOW HE PLANS TO GET HUMANITARIAN AID ACROSS THE BORDER. INSIDE OF VENEZUELA, UNCLEAR IF IT’S HEADING TOWARD WAR OR PEACE. (*)>>HELLO.>>HELLO.>>Rosemary: IN FRONT OF A PACKED EDMONTON AUDIENCE OUR “NATIONAL CONVERSATION” WITH ALBERTA PREMIER RACHEL NOTLEY. PIPELINES, TRANSFER PAYMENTS AND STANDING UP TO OTTAWA. (*)>>HE CAME IN THE CIRCLE AND STARTED PUNCHING…>>Ian: AND 15 UNIVERSITY HOCKEY PLAYERS AND TWO COACHES SUSPENDED AFTER AN UGLY BRAWL. WHAT WE’VE LEARNED ABOUT WHAT MAY HAVE SPARKED IT.>>>THIS IS “THE NATIONAL.” (*) (*)>>Adrienne: HERE IN VENEZUELA, SUSPICION, DESPERATION, FEAR AND HOPE ALL SWIRL AROUND JUAN GUIADÓ. RECOGNIZED AS VENEZUELA’S INTERIM PRESIDENT BY CANADA AND DOZENS AND OTHER COUNTRIES. TO SUPPORTERS OF DE FACTO PRESIDENT NICOLÁS MADURO, HE SAYS JUST A ROGUE PRESIDENT. IT’S TURNED IT INTO A POLITICAL CRISIS. WHAT HAPPENS TO HIM AND HIS MOVEMENT WILL DICTATE THE NEXT CHAPTER IN THIS COUNTRY. STUNNING THEN TO THINK THAT JUST WEEKS AGO HE WAS A LITTLE KNOWN FIGURE. SO HOW DOES HE PLAN TO HELP VENEZUELA OR EVEN STAY OUT OF JAIL? THE BEST WAY TO FIND OUT IS TO JUST ASK. THOSE WHO SAY THAT JUAN GUIADÓ IS LOSING MOMENTUM, AND THERE ARE A FEW, SURELY HAVEN’T SEEN THE SOUTH AMERICAN SALSA KING GO TO WORK. HERE AT A CARACAS UNIVERSITY TO TALK TO FARMERS ABOUT HOW TO GET VENEZUELA FEEDING ITSELF AGAIN. AND, FRANKLY, FLASHES OF BARACK OBAMA, THE WAY HE MOVES AND TALKS, ESPECIALLY THE WAY THAT THE CROWDS RESPOND. YES, WE CAN, THEY CHANT. FARMERS THROWING THEIR FULL THROTTLE SUPPORT BEHIND THIS ENGINEER BY TRADE — NOT A PARTICULARLY WELL-KNOWN POLITICIAN UNTIL A FEW WEEKS AGO. NOW SO PROMINENT THAT THOSE IN MADURO’S GOVERNMENT HAVE SUGGESTED THAT GUIADÓ DOESN’T KNOW WHAT IT’S LIKE TO HAVE BULLETS WHISTLING BY HIS HEAD.>>[SPEAKING SPANISH]>>Adrienne: THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN HARD AND REQUIRED SACRIFICE OF A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF PEOPLE, HE OFFERS, AND THE THING ABOUT WHISTLES IS THAT WE’VE HEARD WHISTLES AND WE’RE STILL HERE.>>GUIADÓ! GUIADÓ!>>Adrienne: OUTSIDE THE EVENT COMPLETE CHAOS. AND DANGER, NOT JUST IN THE THREATS, JUST LISTEN TO THIS…>>[SPEAKING SPANISH]>>Adrienne: ALL OF THIS FRENZIED ATTENTION IS BECAUSE THE EXPECTATIONS OF HIM ARE SO HUGE. IF SO MANY WANT SO MUCH, HOW CAN HE EVER DELIVER? WE STOLE SOME TIME ALONE TO GET A SENSE OF HOW HE THINKS. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT YOU HAVEN’T BEEN ARRESTED YET IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS?>>[SPEAKING SPANISH]>>Adrienne: ULTIMATELY, HE SAYS, IT’S BECAUSE OF THE SUPPORT OF THE PUBLIC, THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY AND THE BELIEF THAT THIS IS ALL CONSTITUTIONALLY SOUND. WHAT MAY NOT BE SOUND IS HIS PLAN TO GET HUMANITARIAN AID INTO VENEZUELA. JUST LOOK AT WHAT THE VENEZUELAN MILITARY HAS DONE, JUST ACROSS FROM COLOMBIA BLOCKING THE ROAD TO BLOCK THE AID. THIS IS BUILDING UP TO BE A SERIOUS TEST OF LOYALTIES. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE AID THROUGH? BECAUSE THE VENEZUELAN MILITARY SAYS, NO, IT’S NOT COMING. SO WHAT IS YOUR PLAN?>>[SPEAKING SPANISH]>>Adrienne: WE KNOW THAT CANADA HAS SUPPORTED YOU, BUT THERE ARE SOME WHO DON’T ENTIRELY UNDERSTAND WHY. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THEM?>>[SPEAKING SPANISH]>>Adrienne: YOU’RE NOT AFRAID?>>NO, NO.>>Adrienne: SO HE SEEMS QUITE RELAXED AND PROJECTS OR TRYING TO PROJECT A LOT OF HOPE. RIGHT NOW THAT SURELY MAKES HIM UNIQUE AMONG VENEZUELANS. UP TO LAST WEEK THE OIL COMPANIES SOLD A LOT OF THEIR PRODUCTS TO THE UNITED STATES BUT THEN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HALTED THE OIL PURCHASES. THE SANCTIONS HIT VENEZUELA ALMOST OVERNIGHT AND AS PETER ARMSTRONG EXPLAINS, THE IMPACT HASN’T STOPPED THERE.>>Reporter: THESE SANCTIONS ARE BITING DEEPER AND MORE QUICKLY THAN ANYONE EXPECTED, IN LARGE PART BECAUSE THE VENEZUELAN ECONOMY IS IN SUCH TOTAL DISARRAY. VENEZUELA SITS ON THE WORLD’S LARGEST PROVEN OIL RESERVES. IT SHIPS ABOUT 500,000 BARRELS TO THE U.S. EVERY DAY. OIL MONEY PAYS FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE NATION’S FOOD SUPPLY. SO U.S. OFFICIALS KNEW THEY WERE HITTING MADURO WHERE IT COUNTS.>>TODAY’S MEASURE TOTALS $7 BILLION IN ASSETS BLOCKED TODAY, PLUS OVER $11 BILLION IN LOST EXPORT PROCEEDS OVER THE NEXT YEAR.>>Reporter: VENEZUELA’S ECONOMY HAS BEEN IN SHAMBLES FOR YEARS. REFINERIES HAVE CRUMBLED. SO IN SPITE OF THE VAST OIL RESERVES VENEZUELA IMPORTS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF BARRELS OF GASOLINE EVERY DAY. FUEL SUPPLIES COULD RUN OUT WITHIN A WEEK. THAT COULD LEAD TO A CATASTROPHE AS DIESEL FUELS ARE A LARGE PART OF THE COUNTRY’S POWER GENERATION. MEANWHILE THE GLOBAL OIL MARKET IS ALREADY TRYING TO ADJUST. THIS SHIP HAS LITERALLY BEEN TURNING IN CIRCLES FOR DAYS. IT’S AMONG DOZENS OF OIL TANKERS THAT WERE HEADED TO THE GULF COAST BUT CAN’T GET PAID IN THE U.S. NOW.>>NO ONE SEEMS TO BE, YOU KNOW, STEERING THE OVERALL SHIP OF VENEZUELA’S ENERGY INDUSTRY. AND THESE TANKERS DON’T SEEM TO KNOW WHERE THEY WANT TO GO.>>Reporter: AND SO THE POLITICAL CRISIS FEEDS OFF THE ECONOMIC CRISIS. AND RIGHT NOW NEITHER SEEM LIKELY TO GET BETTER. PETER ARMSTRONG, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Adrienne: SO CURIOUSLY WHAT HAPPENS WITH THOSE TANKERS THAT ARE ALREADY STUCK WITH VENEZUELA’S OIL? IT’S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THE U.S. SANCTIONS TARGET MADURO, NOT GUIADÓ, SO THE OPPOSITION IS TRYING TO OPEN A FUND SO THAT IT CAN ACCEPT PAYMENT FOR THAT OIL. THAT IS IT FROM US HERE IN VENEZUELA. ROSIE, I GATHER THOUGH THAT THERE’S A DEVELOPMENT ON THIS BACK HOME?>>Rosemary: THAT’S RIGHT, ADRIENNE, THE CRISIS IN VENEZUELA CONTINUES TO CAUSE SOME HEADACHES FOR THE N.D.P. TODAY. AFTER INITIALLY REFUSING TO RECOGNIZE THE INTERIM PRESIDENT, THIS WEEK THE N.D.P.’S FOREIGN AFFAIRS CRITIC SAID THAT THE PARTY WAS NOW COMFORTABLE WITH GUIADÓ. BUT TODAY JAGMEET SINGH WAS ASKED AGAIN ABOUT THAT POSITION AND HIS COMMENTS CREATED FURTHER CONFUSION.>>Question: WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OF VENEZUELA?>>WHOEVER THE PEOPLE OF VENEZUELA DECIDE.>>Question: SO YOU’RE NOT TAKING A POSITION?>>I’M TAKING A POSITION THAT THE PEOPLE OF VENEZUELA HAVE A SOVEREIGN RIGHT TO MAKE THAT DECISION AND IT’S OUR JOB TO SUPPORT THE PEOPLE OF VENEZUELA IN MAKING THAT DECISION.>>Rosemary: SINGH IS HOPING THAT B.C. VOTERS WILL GIVE HIM A SEAT IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS WHERE HE IS RUNNING IN A BY-ELECTION AND THAT’S ON FEBRUARY 25th. AS YOU CAN SEE WE’RE IN A VERY CHILLY EDMONTON TONIGHT WHERE WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH ALBERTANS ABOUT THE PROVINCE’S FUTURE. YOU’LL SEE THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER ON “THE NATIONAL” BUT, FIRST, MORE OF TODAY’S NEWS, STARTING WITH AN UNUSUAL LAWSUIT. A GROUP OF CANADIAN DIPLOMATS SAYS THAT THE GOVERNMENT LEFT THEM IN DANGER AFTER STRANGE HEALTH PROBLEMS STRUCK EMBASSIES IN CUBA. OUR FRIENDS AT RADIO-CANADA SPOKE WITH SOME OF THE PRINCIPALS AND CBC’S SALIMAH SHIVJI TELLS THEIR STORY.>>Reporter: THE MYSTERIOUS SYMPTOMS FIRST STRUCK NEARLY TWO YEARS AGO IN HAVANA. AFTER MANY SAY THAT A PIERCING SOUND RANG OUT. FIVE CANADIAN DIPLOMATS AND THEIR FAMILIES, INCLUDING SEVEN YOUNG CHILDREN, FELL ILL.>>I HAD STRONG NAUSEA. I HAD SOME DIZZINESS, SOMETIMES I THREW UP. A FEW TIMES I STOOD UP AND I — MY NOSE WAS STREAMING WITH BLOOD.>>Reporter: SYMPTOMS OF A CONCUSSION WITHOUT ANY PHYSICAL BLOW. THIS DIPLOMAT SAYS THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DROPPED THE BALL, DIDN’T MOVE FAST ENOUGH TO GET THEM OUT. IN A STATEMENT OF CLAIM FILED TODAY THEY ALLEGE “CANADA DOWNPLAYED THE SERIOUSNESS OF THE SITUATION, HOARDED AND CONCEALED CRITICAL HEALTH AND SAFETY INFORMATION AND GAVE FALSE, MISLEADING, AND INCOMPLETE INFORMATION TO DIPLOMATIC STAFF.” LAST APRIL CANADA STOPPED SENDING DIPLOMATS WITH FAMILIES TO HAVANA BUT ONLY LAST MONTH DID IT REDUCE ITS STAFF THERE BY HALF. MORE THAN A YEAR AFTER THE AMERICANS DID THE SAME FOR THEIR DIPLOMATS WITH THE SAME SYMPTOMS.>>>WHEN THE U.S. WAS WITHDRAWING ITS DIPLOMATS, CANADA KNEW THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM AND WE DIDN’T PULL OUR PEOPLE OUT. WHAT WE LOOK TO BE COMPENSATED FOR IS THE LONG-TERM DAMAGE TO THE DISIP MATS AND THEIR FAMILIES, IT’S BRAIN INJURIES AND IT’S LONG TERM AND IT HAS A SIGNIFICANT EFFECT.>>Reporter: THE DIPLOMATS ARE ASKING FOR $28 MILLION IN DAMAGES. NO ALLEGATIONS HAVE BEEN PROVEN IN COURT AND OTTAWA HAS 30 DAYS TO RESPOND WITH A STATEMENT OF DEFENCE. TODAY CANADA’S FOREIGN AFFAIRS MINISTER EXPRESSED SYMPATHY TO THE FAMILY.>>The Hon. Chyrstia Freeland: THEY WERE IN CUBA REPRESENTING US AND REPRESENTING OUR COUNTRY, AND THEIR HEALTH AND SAFETY ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO BE A PRIORITY.>>Reporter: BUT FOR THOSE STILL DEALING WITH THE EFFECTS THOSE WORDS RING HOLLOW. BUT THIS HAS HAD A HUGE IMPACT ON US IN TERMS OF STRESS, TRYING TO BRING OUR LIVES BACK TO NORMAL.>>Reporter: AS THE PIERCING HEADACHES AND THE DIZZINESS STILL LINGER. SALIMAH SHIVJI, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.>>Rosemary: WE ALSO HAVE SOME SAD NEWS OUT OF OTTAWA TONIGHT. ONE YEAR AFTER BEING DIAGNOSED WITH TERMINAL BRAIN CANCER, FORMER N.D.P. M.P. PAUL DEWAR HAS DIED. HE WAS 56 YEARS OLD. IN ANNOUNCING HIS DEATH HIS FAMILY RELEASED A LETTER WRITTEN BY HIM. IT READS IN PART, “IN MY TIME ON THIS EARTH I WAS PASSIONATE ABOUT THE POWER OF CITIZENS WORKING TOGETHER AND MAKING A DIFFERENCE. I WANTED A CANADA WHERE WE TREAT OUR FELLOW CITIZENS WITH THE DIGNITY, LOVE AND RESPECT THAT EVERY ONE OF US DESERVED.” HE ENDED IT WITH THESE WORDS, “SMILE AND PLAY… LAUGH AND DANCE… GIVE AND SHARE, MY LOVE ALWAYS, PAUL.” TODAY PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN TRUDEAU CALLED DEWAR ONE OF OTTAWA’S MOST DEDICATED VOICES, REFERENCING NOT ONLY HIS NINE YEARS AS AN M.P. BUT HOW HE RESPONDED TO HIS DIAGNOSIS AND FACING DEATH. HE STARTED “YOUTH ACTION NOW,” DEVOTING WHAT WAS LEFT OF HIS FUTURE TO EMPOWERING YOUNG PEOPLE TO CHANGE THEIR OWN. AS HANNAH THIBEDEAU SHOWS US, THAT PASSION WAS PART OF A PATTERN.>>MY PARTNER IN LIFE.>>Reporter: IT WAS NEARLY A YEAR AGO THAT FORMER N.D.P. M.P. PAUL DEWAR WAS DIAGNOSED WITH THE SAME BRAIN CANCER THAT TOOK THE LIFE OF TRAGICALLY HIP SINGER GORD DOWNIE. DEWAR AND HIS WIFE JULIA CAME TO DESCRIBE THE DIAGNOSIS AS A GIFT.>>YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT YOU ARE GIVEN AND YOU FIND A WAY TO DO IT AS WELL AS YOU CAN AND THAT’S WHAT WE HAVE DONE.>>THE… — YOU SAID IT ALL. THE GIFT IS EVERY DAY.>>Reporter: IN HIS NINE YEARS ON PARLIAMENT HILL, DEWAR GIFTED HIS TIME ADVOCATING FOR THOSE AT HOME AND ABROAD.>>OUR HEART GOES OUT TO THE FAMILY. AND WE HAVE LOST A GIANT IN OUR MOVEMENT FOR BUILDING A BETTER COUNTRY.>>IT’S PAUL DEWAR…>>Reporter: DEWAR BECAME AN M.P. IN 2006, TAKING OVER THE RIDING FROM THE FORMER N.D.P. LEADER ED BROADBENT. WHEN THE N.D.P. FORMED OFFICIAL OPPOSITION IN 2011, DEWAR WAS APPOINTED FOREIGN AFFAIRS CRITIC. HIS PASSION FOR THE JOB TOOK HIM TO PLACES LIKE NORTHERN IRAQ TO SEE THE KURDISH FIGHT AGAINST ISIS FORCES.>>HAVE YOU BEEN INVOLVED IN ESTABLISHING THOSE HUMANITARIAN CORRIDORS TO GET AID TO THOSE WHO ARE TRAPPED?>>Reporter: HIS COMMITMENT TO HUMANITARIAN RIGHTS GOT HIM BANNED FROM RUSSIA.>>IF SPEAKING FOR HUMAN RIGHTS, SPEAKING AGAINST THE ANNEXATION OF A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY IS GOING TO PUT ME ON A TRAVEL BAN, SO BE IT.>>Reporter: DEWAR LOST HIS SEAT TO CATHERINE McKENNA IN 2015.>>YOU COULD SEE HOW MUCH HE CARED ABOUT HIS COMMUNITY AND HOW MUCH THE COMMUNITY CARED ABOUT HIM.>>Reporter: BUT DEWAR SAID THAT LOSING LEFT HIM WITH MORE TIME TO SPEND WITH HIS FAMILY.>>I LOVE HER.>>WHICH MEANS TO SLEEP WITH THE ANGELS AND I DO EVERY NIGHT.>>Reporter: HANNAH THIBEDEAU, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.>>Rosemary: JUST AFTER HE WENT PUBLIC WITH HIS TERMINAL DIAGNOSIS I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH PAUL DEWAR AT HIS DINING ROOM TABLE. A LOT OF IT WAS PHILOSOPHICAL ABOUT COMING TO TERMS WITH THE FACT THAT HE WAS DYING AND HE EXPLAINED TO ME THEN HOW HE GOT TO THE POINT OF SEEING ALL OF THIS AS A GIFT.>>WHEN I WAS DIAGNOSED I RANDOMLY OPENED UP THIS BOOK, WHICH IS A COLLECTION OF REFLECTIONS FROM A PARISH PRIEST FRIEND OF MY FAMILY, FATHER CORBONETTI. AND THE TITLE WAS “A RUSTY LICENCE PLATE CALLED TRUST.” AND THE FIRST PART OF THAT REFLECTION WAS THE REAL MEANING OF THE WORD “CRISIS” IS TURNING POINT. AND WHEN WE HAVE A TURNING POINT IN OUR LIVES, WHEN WE HAVE LOSS, WHEN WE HAVE PAIN, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THAT POINT AND DO SOMETHING WITH IT, THAT TURNING POINT. AND I JUST TOOK THAT AND I THOUGHT, THIS IS A TURNING POINT IN MY LIFE. WHAT AM I GOING TO DO WITH IT? AND I THOUGHT, THIS IS ACTUALLY — THIS IS GOING TO SOUND STRANGE — BUT THIS IS A GIFT THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME TO DO SOMETHING WITH.>>Rosemary: PRETTY EXTRAORDINARY WAY TO APPROACH THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. WE’LL HAVE MORE FROM EDMONTON A LITTLE BIT LATER BUT RIGHT NOW NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN THE BATTLE AGAINST ISIS. IAN?>>Ian: AND, ROSEMARY, IT INVOLVES A BOLD PREDICTION FROM DONALD TRUMP. HE MADE IT AT A MEETING OF THE GLOBAL COALITION TO DEFEAT ISIS WHICH INCLUDES CANADA. THE U.S. PRESIDENT SAID THAT THE LAST POCKETS OF THE TERROR GROUP WILL BE DEFEATED WITHIN SYRIA WITHIN DAYS AND IT’S SAFE TO PULL THE AMERICAN TROOPS OUT. THE TROUBLE IS THAT EVEN TRUMP ADMITS THAT ISIS COULD REGROUP, SO HE’S CALLING ON OTHER NATIONS TO STEP UP.>>Reporter: FORGIVE ALL OF THE FOREIGN MINISTERS AND SENIOR OFFICIALS OF THE 79 COUNTRIES MAKING UP THE COALITION THAT HAS BEEN FIGHTING ISIS FOR TODAY PERHAPS WONDERING, NOW WHAT? BECAUSE AS THEY GATHERED IN WASHINGTON TO CONSIDER NEXT STEPS, THAT FIGHT IS ABOUT TO GET MORE COMPLICATED, EVEN WITH ITS SUCCESSES.>>President Donald Trump: IT SHOULD BE FORMALLY ANNOUNCED SOME TIME PROBABLY NEXT WEEK THAT WE WILL HAVE 100% OF THE CALIPHATE.>>Reporter: DONALD TRUMP UNDERLINED FOR THEM WHY IN HIS VIEW THERE’S NO LONGER A NEED FOR THE 2,000 U.S. TROOPS IN THAT FIGHT. TROOPS THAT TRUMP HAS PLEDGED TO SOON WITHDRAW.>>President Donald Trump: NOBODY THOUGHT THAT IT WAS POSSIBLE TO DO IT THIS QUICKLY.>>Reporter: TRUMP’S DECISION IN DECEMBER TO PULL BACK U.S. TROOPS CAUGHT THE WORLD BY SURPRISE, INCLUDING THOSE IN HIS OWN MILITARY. IT LED IN PART TO THE RESIGNATION OF THEN DEFENCE SECRETARY JAMES MATTIS. AND EVEN YESTERDAY ON CAPITOL HILL THIS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FROM LEONARD VOTTELL, HEAD OF THE U.S. CENTRAL COMMAND.>>YOU WEREN’T CONSULTED BEFORE THAT DECISION WAS ANNOUNCED?>>I WAS NOT CONSULTED.>>Reporter: FOR TRUMP IT FULFILLS A LONG-STANDING PLEDGE TO REDUCE AMERICA’S FOOTPRINT ABROAD AND IT PLAYS WELL IN MANY PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. BUT FOR ISIS, SAY MANY, INCLUDING THOSE IN TRUMP’S MILITARY, IT’S A GIFT. ISIS MAY HAVE HAD ITS TERRITORY DIMINISHED BUT THE BELIEF IS THAT MANY OF ITS FIGHTERS ARE NOW SIMPLY LAYING LOW, WAITING FOR U.S. TROOPS TO DEPART BEFORE POTENTIALLY A RESURGENCE. THE U.S. SUGGESTED THAT IT IS NOT FULLY ABANDONING THE FIGHT BUT SAID THAT COALITION PARTNERS WILL NOW BE ASKED TO DO MORE.>>THE FIGHT IS ONE THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO WAGE ALONGSIDE OF YOU. THE DRAW DOWN OF TROOPS IS ESSENTIALLY A TACTICAL CHANGE, IT IS NOT A CHANGE IN THE MISSION.>>Reporter: SAID THE FOREIGN MINISTER CHRYSTIA FREELAND TONIGHT, CANADA’S ROLE IN THAT REGION REMAINS FAR FROM OVER.>>The Hon. Chyrstia Freeland: CANADA, WHICH IS LEADING THE NATO TRAINING MISSION IN IRAQ, IS VERY FOCUSED ON THE FACT THAT HAVING WON THE WAR, IT IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO WIN THE PEACE.>>Ian: PAUL, YOU MENTIONED A POSSIBLE ISIS RESURGENCE. TELL US MORE ABOUT THAT.>>Reporter: WELL, YOU KNOW, WHEN TRUMP TALKS ABOUT GETTING TO 100% HE’S TALKING ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF LAND IN SYRIA NO LONGER UNDER ISIS CONTROL. HE’S NOT TALKING ABOUT ISIS FIGHTERS. A BRITISH GROUP THAT WATCHES THIS STUFF CAREFULLY ESTIMATES THAT THERE’S STILL BETWEEN 4,000 AND 5,000 ISIS FIGHTERS HIDING IN CAVES AND MOUNTAINS WATCHING AND WAITING AND, BY THE WAY, STILL FIGHTING. THEY’VE SAID TO HAVE KILLED NEARLY 200 PEOPLE THERE SINCE AUGUST. EVEN THE U.S. DEFENCE DEPARTMENT HAS WARNED TRUMP THAT ISIS COULD STAGE A RESURGENCE WITHIN SIX TO 12 MONTHS IF MILITARY PRESSURE EASES UP. AS CHRYSTIA FREELAND NOTED, THERE’S STILL WORK TO BE DONE.>>Ian: CBC’S PAUL HUNTER IN WASHINGTON. THANK YOU. CANADA HAS PLAYED AN ACTIVE ROLE IN THE ANTI-ISIS COALITION FOR MORE THAN FOUR YEARS NOW BUT THE SHAPE OF THAT CONTRIBUTION HAS CHANGED.>>PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS REQUESTED A COMMITMENT OF CANADIAN MILITARY ADVISORS.>>Ian: IT STARTED WITH ADVISORS TO IRAQ IN 2014, BUT QUICKLY BECAME AN AIR MISSION IN IRAQ AND THEN SYRIA. CANADA CONDUCTING A TOTAL OF 251 AIRSTRIKES BEFORE JUSTIN TRUDEAU ENDED THE BOMBING MISSION IN 2016.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: IT’S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO REMAIN ACTIVE MEMBERS OF THE COALITION.>>Ian: A CANADIAN REFUELING AIRCRAFT STAYED ON IN IRAQ UNTIL LAST MONTH BUT ON THE GROUND CANADA’S TRAIN, ADVISE AND ASSIST MISSION IN NORTHERN IRAQ HAS MARCHED ON. AT TIMES WITH MORE THAN 800 TROOPS, SOME IN OCCASIONAL FIREFIGHTS WITH ISIS. THAT MISSION IS UP FOR REVIEW AT THE END OF NEXT MONTH.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: NOW WE HAVE TO REBUILD THAT DEMOCRACY AND STRENGTHEN IT.>>Ian: TRUDEAU MADE A SEPARATE COMMITMENT TO NATO, 250 TROOPS AND 400 GRIFFIN HELICOPTERS DISPATCHED TO BAGHDAD. THEY’LL BE THERE FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR. BUT TO THIS TRUMP’S PULLBACKED ADS AN ELEMENT OF UNCERTAINTY. THERE’S NO TELLING HOW THE ISIS THREAT WILL EVOLVE.>>Rosemary: AHEAD TONIGHT FROM EDMONTON, PREMIER RACHEL NOTLEY TAKES QUESTIONS FROM ALBERTANS AND MANY OF YOU. WE TACKLE PIPELINES AND POLITICS AND THE PRIME MINISTER. “THE NATIONAL CONVERSATION” IS STILL AHEAD.>>Ian: AND IT SMELLS SO BAD IN ST. MARY’S NEWFOUNDLAND, THEY’RE WEARING FACE MASKS AND THEY SAY THEY’RE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR HEALTH. BUT AHEAD OF THAT, 15 PLAYERS AND TWO HEAD COACHES BENCHED AFTER A BRAWL ON THE ICE AND THE INVESTIGATION IS NOT OVER.>>THEY JUST CAME INTO A CIRCLE AND STARTED PUNCHING…>>IN THE COMMENTS THE WORD “RAPIST” HAS USED. AND WE (*) (*)>>Ian: A DEVELOPMENT TODAY IN THE STORY OF THAT WEEKEND HOCKEY BRAWL INVOLVING TWO UNIVERSITY TEAMS FROM NOVA SCOTIA, ACADIA AND ST. FX. EVEN IN A SPORT WHERE FIGHTING IS COMMON, MANY SAY WHAT HAPPENED HERE AND WHAT CAUSED IT CROSSED THE LINE. NOW THE GOVERNING BODY HAS SUSPENDED NOT JUST PLAYERS BUT COACHES TOO. TOM MURPHY HAS THE DETAILS.>>THEY CAME IN A CIRCLE AND STARTED PUNCHING…>>Reporter: ON TO SPECTATORS IT MAY HAVE JUST LOOKED LIKE GOON HOCKEY, A BENCH BRAWL WITH PLAYERS AND COACHES ALL IN THE MELEE. NOW EVIDENCE OF HOW IT MAY HAVE STARTED — AN ALLEGED DEROGATORY COMMENT BY AN ACADIA PLAYER.>>IN THE COMMENT THE WORD “RAPIST” WAS USED AND TO A VICTIM OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, I MEAN, THAT HAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF IMPACT AND WE DON’T TAKE THAT COMMENT LIGHTLY AT ALL.>>THIS IS UGLY.>>Reporter: THE ALLEGATION IS THAT THE COMMENT WAS ALLUDING TO THE SURVIVOR OF A SEXUAL ASSAULT WHO WE CAN’T IDENTIFY BUT WHO IS NOT A PLAYER ON THE TEAM. IN A STATEMENT TODAY ACADIA SAYS THAT ITS PLAYER HAS SINCE APOLOGIZED FOR A COMMENT THAT IN THE UNIVERSITY’S WORDS WAS “NOT MADE DELIBERATELY.” BUT THE ST.F.X. PLAYER SAM STUDNICKA SAYS THAT THE ON-ICE TAUNTING HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR YEARS. IN A STATEMENT THIS WEEK HE SAID “IT HAS TAKEN AN EMOTIONAL TOLL ON ME… THERE IS NO PLACE FOR SUCH COMMENTS WITHIN OUR SOCIETY.” STUDNICKA SAID THAT HIS TEAMMATES WERE JUST STICKING UP FOR HIM.>>IN OUR PROCESS IT’S IMPORTANT THAT WE HEAR BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE.>>Reporter: WHEN IT WAS DONE 15 PLAYERS, NINE FROM ST. F.X. AND SIX FROM ACADIA ALONG WITH BOTH HOCKEY COACHES RECEIVED HOCKEY SUSPENSIONS FOR THE BRAWL BRAWL. NOW THERE’S QUESTIONS WHY A.U.S. AND THE UNIVERSITIES INVOLVED DIDN’T DO MORE TO ADDRESS THE SIMMERING ALLEGATIONS FROM TWO YEARS AGO. ACADIA INSISTS THAT IT DID AND OTHERS WONDER IF A LONG-TIME STAPLE OF CANADIAN HOCKEY CULTURE, CHIRPING, HAS SIMPLY GONE TOO FAR.>>POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS RELATED TO A CULTURAL ISSUE. AND NOT ACCEPTABLE AT THE UNIVERSITY ENVIRONMENT.>>Reporter: A SECONDARY REVIEW IS COMING AND POSSIBLY MORE SANCTIONS WHICH COULD INCLUDE EXPULSION OF PLAYERS AND COACHES FROM THE HOCKEY PROGRAMMES. TONIGHT ACADIA WAS BACK IN ACTION, ALBEIT WITH A REDUCED ROSTER AND UNIVERSITY HOCKEY WITH A BLACK EYE. TOM MURPHY, CBC NEWS, HALIFAX.>>Rosemary: UP NEXT ON “THE NATIONAL” WE’LL BE BACK FROM EDMONTON WITH “THE NATIONAL CONVERSATION” AND WE PUT YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FUTURE OF ALBERTA DIRECTLY TO THE PREMIER. THIS QUESTION HAS COME UP A NUMBER OF TIMES AND SARIM SAHABI SAYS THE SAME, DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU MADE A MISTAKE TO TRUST THE PRIME MINISTER? YOU SAY THAT YOU WILL STAND UP FOR ALBERTA BUT NOT ONCE HAVE (*)>>THIS IS MY HOME. THIS IS MY TOWN.>>MANY OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE PLANS FOR THE BOOM AND BUST CYCLES. IT’S JUST GOING ON TOO LONG THIS TIME.>>EVERY MONTH WE HAVE ANOTHER BANKRUPTCY AND THERE’S ANOTHER PERSON CLOSE THEIR DOORS.>>THEY’RE SAYING THAT THEIR SAVINGS ARE DEPLETED AND THEY’RE STARTING TO USE CREDIT AND THAT’S HURTING AS WELL.>>A LOT OF PEOPLE LEFT, THE BIG MONEY LEFT.>>AS MUCH AS I HATE TO SAY IT, I DON’T THINK THAT WE’VE SEEN THE WORST OF IT.>>WE NEED TO MOVE THIS OIL. THIS IS OUR LIVELIHOOD.>>WE’VE GOT TO GET OUR MESSAGE TO SOMEBODY THAT CAN LISTEN TO US.>>THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT WE’RE UP AGAINST.>>CANADA HAS TO GET TOGETHER, RATHER THAN WORK APART.>>THEREFORE, MY QUESTION IS –>>I’D LIKE TO KNOW –>>WHAT DO YOU PLAN TO –>>HOW ARE YOU GOING TO –>>IS YOUR GOVERNMENT AWARE –>>WHAT IS YOUR GOVERNMENT DOING TO MAKE THE NEXT GENERATION SUCCESSFUL?>>DO YOU THINK THAT IT’S POSSIBLE THAT THIS SITUATION CAN BE CORRECTED?>>Rosemary: THIS WEEK “THE NATIONAL” IS DIGGING INTO THE CHALLENGES FACING ALBERTA FROM THE LOW PRICE OF CANADIAN CRUDE AND PRODUCTION CUTS TO STALLED PIPELINES. SO WE CAME HERE TO EDMONTON TO LISTEN TO PEOPLE’S FRUSTRATIONS AND TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY WANT FOR THE FUTURE OF THE PROVINCE. WE PUT SOME OF THEIR QUESTIONS, SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS, TO PREMIER RACHEL NOTLEY LAST NIGHT. [Applause] HELLO, GOOD TO SEE YOU.>>GOOD TO SEE YOU.>>Rosemary: THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. PLEASE HAVE A SEAT. I’M GOING TO TEASE — TEASE HER FIRST BECAUSE SHE WALKED TO WORK THIS MORNING AND LOOKED TOTALLY FROZEN.>>IT WAS FRESH AND THE SUN CAME OUT. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT’S THE THING ABOUT ALBERTA WINTERS.>>Rosemary: BRAVE, BRAVE. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. LOTS OF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS AND A LOT OF QUESTIONS ONLINE FOR YOU AS WELL. WE ARE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE FRUSTRATION IN THE PROVINCE. CANADIANS ARE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. SO LET ME GET RIGHT TO IT. BARB PEERY IS ASKING ON FACEBOOK, WHAT DOES THE PREMIER SAY OR THINK ABOUT THE DERAILMENT THAT HAPPENED NEAR FIELD, B.C., THREE PEOPLE DIED IN THAT DERAILMENT. IT WASN’T SHIPPING OIL, FORTUNATELY, BUT YOU’RE LOOKING TO BUY RAIL CARS. YOU WANT TO SHIP MORE BY RAIL BECAUSE YOU DON’T HAVE A PIPELINE. SO WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE FACT THAT THAT ACCIDENT HAPPENED AT ALL?>>WELL, LET ME START, OF COURSE, BY OFFERING MY AND ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE OF ALBERTA CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILIES OF THE WORKERS THAT DIED IN THAT CRASH. I MEAN, IT’S A TRAGEDY. AND, QUITE FRANKLY, EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO PROMOTE SAFETY IN THE WORKPLACE IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DO. THAT’S NOT RED TAPE, THAT’S GOOD MANAGEMENT, AND THAT’S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.>>Rosemary: DID YOU PAUSE THOUGH WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING FOR LEASING THOUSANDS OF RAIL CARS? DOES IT GIVE YOU PAUSE?>>WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE ALL KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY, THAT PIPELINES ARE THE SAFEST WAY TO MOVE OIL AND GAS PRODUCTS THROUGH CANADA. WE ALL KNOW THAT, THAT’S WHY WE’VE BEEN FIGHTING SINCE DAY ONE OF OUR GOVERNMENT CERTAINLY TO GET MORE PIPELINES BUILT. AND IN PARTICULAR TO GET A PIPELINE TO TIDEWATER. WE ALL KNOW THAT MANY GOODS ARE SHIPPED EACH AND EVERY DAY ON RAIL THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, BUT WE HAVE COME TO A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, AFTER DECADES OF FAILURES ON THE PART OF SUCCESSIVE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS WE HAVEN’T GOTTEN THE PIPELINES BUILT. WE’RE IN A POSITION NOW IN ALBERTA WHERE WE’VE HAD TO TAKE THIS UNPRECEDENTED STEP OF PULLING BACK ON PRODUCTION IN ORDER TO BRING BACK THE PRICE THAT WE GET IN ALBERTA, TO BRING IT BACK UP FOR THIS PRODUCT. AND THAT IS AN UNSUSTAINABLE SITUATION, IT’S A NON-ECONOMIC SITUATION. IT HAS CONSEQUENCES AND PEOPLE ARE HURT BY THAT DECISION TOO. AND IT’S A FUNCTION OF OUR COUNTRY NOT WORKING THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD WHEN IT COMES TO THE SIMPLE ACT OF MOVING IMPORTANT PRODUCTS FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER SO THAT PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BUY THEM CAN. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THIS — THE INCREDIBLE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT EACH AND EVERY CANADIAN ENJOYS IN THIS COUNTRY IS IN LARGE PART DUE TO CANADA’S ENERGY INDUSTRY. OUR RESOURCE INDUSTRY, AND IN PARTICULAR THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY HERE IN ALBERTA. AND SO WHEN WE’RE UNABLE TO DO THAT THING IN A WAY THAT IS ECONOMICALLY AND STRATEGICALLY SMART, THEN EVERYBODY SUFFERS. SO WE’RE TALKING TO ALBERTANS HERE BUT IT ACTUALLY HAS CONSEQUENCES ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.>>Rosemary: YEAH, IF IT WAS A SIMPLE THING THOUGH YOU’D HAVE THE PIPELINE ALREADY SO IT’S NOT A SIMPLE THING. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PEOPLE. LOLA STRAND IS IN THE AUDIENCE AND HAS A QUESTION. BUT WE HAVE SOME OF HER BACK STORY FIRST. HERE’S LOLA…>>SURE. (*)>>MY NAME IS LOLA STRAND. I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN DRAYTON VALLEY, AS WERE MY PARENTS, SO I HAVE REALLY STRONG ROOTS HERE. SO FOR THE LAST 13 YEARS I HAVE BEEN EMPLOYED WITH THE DRAYTON VALLEY COMMUNITY SUPPORT SERVICES. WHAT WE HAVE NOTICED OVER THE LAST SPECIFICALLY LAST COUPLE YEARS IS THAT THE FOLKS THAT ARE COMING IN LOOKING FOR RESOURCES ARE THOSE PEOPLE WHO NEVER IMAGINED THEY WOULD EVER BE IN A POSITION TO BE LOOKING FOR SUPPORTS THAT WAY. THEY ARE THE FOLKS THAT ARE LOSING THEIR JOBS DUE TO THE DOWNTURN IN THE ECONOMY. SO DESPITE THE FACT THAT MANY OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE PLANS FOR THE BOOM-AND-BUST CYCLES THAT WE DO GO THROUGH IN OUR COMMUNITY, IT’S JUST GOING ON TOO LONG THIS TIME. THEIR SAVINGS ARE DEPLETED AND THEY’RE STARTING TO USE CREDIT AND THAT’S STARTING TO RUN OUT AS WELL. UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING RIGHT NOW THEY MAY HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO ACTUALLY MOVE AWAY FROM THIS COMMUNITY AND POSSIBLY MOVE AWAY FROM ALBERTA. WHICH IS REALLY SAD. BECAUSE MANY OF THESE PEOPLE, THIS IS THEIR HOME AND THEY’VE BEEN HERE ALL OF THEIR LIFE.>>Rosemary: AND LOLA IS IN THE AUDIENCE, THANK YOU FOR COMING, LOLA. AND YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE PREMIER.>>MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, WHAT CAN YOU DO TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE CAN REMAIN IN THEIR COMMUNITIES, IN DRAYTON VALLEY AND IN ALBERTA, AND NOT HAVE TO LEAVE THE COMMUNITIES THEY’VE BEEN IN FOR MOST OF THEIR LIVES?>>WELL, THANK YOU, LOLA, FOR THAT QUESTION. AND I KNOW THAT FOLKS ACROSS THE PROVINCE ARE REALLY STRUGGLING AS A RESULT OF THE — YOU KNOW, OF THE UNPRECEDENTED DROP IN THE PRICE OF OIL. SO THERE’S A LOT OF THINGS. OBVIOUSLY, THE FIRST THING — I THINK THAT EVERYONE AGREES — IS THAT WE HAVE TO GET THIS PIPELINE BUILT IN ORDER TO BRING BACK THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET A BETTER PRICE FOR THE PRODUCT AND TO BRING MORE INVESTMENT BACK TO ALBERTA AND TO PUT FOLKS BACK TO WORK THERE. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ECONOMIC DIVERSIFICATION PROGRAMMES SPECIFICALLY GEARED TO SMALLER COMMUNITIES. THE CARES PROGRAMME — WE HAVE ABOUT 200 PROGRAMMES THAT WE HAVE FUNDED SINCE WE INTRODUCED THAT TO SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESS AND ENTREPRENEURIAL FOLKS IN THESE COMMUNITIES. BUT I KNOW THAT IN PLACES LIKE DRAYTON VALLEY AND OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT RELY SO MUCH ON OUR OIL AND GAS SECTOR THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THOSE MUNICIPAL LEADERS, WITH THOSE COMMUNITY LEADERS, TO FIND WAYS TO SUPPORT THEM AND OTHER DIVERSIFICATION EFFORTS. AND IT’S SLOW GOING. WE HAVE HAD STARTING SUCCESSES BUT WE KNOW THAT THERE’S MORE TO DO.>>Rosemary: THANKS. DEBBIE GOLDEN THOUGH ASKS THIS QUESTION AND SHE WANTS A YES OR NO, WE WILL SEE. I LIKE HOW DEBBIE GOLDEN THINKS THOUGH. WOULD YOU WITHHOLD TRANSFER PAYMENTS UNTIL THE PIPELINE HAPPENS?>>WELL, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE’RE ALL FULLY AWARE OF THE WAY THAT THESE THINGS WORK. I MEAN, TRANSFER PAYMENTS ARE NOT A PAYMENT THAT THE GOVERNMENT OF ALBERTA WRITES THE CHEQUE. TRANSFER PAYMENTS ARE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY THE PEOPLE AND THE CORPORATIONS THAT MAKE THE MOST PAY THE MOST TAX.>>Rosemary: SO YOU CAN’T WITHHOLD THEM, IS THAT WHAT YOU’RE SAYING?>>SO THE PEOPLE ARE THE ONES WHO ARE PAYING THE TAXES. BUT SHE HIGHLIGHTS A VERY GOOD POINT THAT I WANT TO TAKE TO A NATIONAL AUDIENCE TO HIGHLIGHT WHICH IS THIS — THERE ARE FOUR PROVINCES IN THE COUNTRY WHERE COLLECTIVELY THE PEOPLE AND THE BUSINESSES THROUGH THEIR CORPORATE TAXES OR THEIR INCOME TAX, THEY PAY MORE TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAN THEY RECEIVE BACK. ONE OF THOSE PROVINCES IS SASKATCHEWAN. AND ROUGHLY ON A PER CAPITA BASIS THEY PAY ABOUT $330 A YEAR TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAN THEY GET BACK. AND THE OTHER TWO PROVINCES ARE B.C. AND ONTARIO. AND ROUGHLY EACH OF THEM PAYS ABOUT $1,200 A MONTH ON A PER CAPITA BASIS MORE TO OTTAWA THAN THEY GET BACK. IN ALBERTA THAT NUMBER IS ABOUT $5,300 PER CAPITA MORE TO OTTAWA THAN WE GET BACK. SO WHAT THAT SAYS TO ME IS THAT ALL CANADIANS RELY ON ALBERTA TO DO WELL. THERE IS NOT A SCHOOL, THERE IS NOT A HOSPITAL, THERE IS NOT A ROAD, THERE’S NOT A PORT, MY FRIENDS, IN ANY PART OF THIS COUNTRY THAT DOESN’T OWE PART OF ITS EXISTENCE TO THE PEOPLE OF ALBERTA AND THE PROSPERITY THAT IS DRIVEN BY OUR ENERGY INDUSTRY. [Applause]>>Rosemary: I HAVE A VIDEO QUESTION…>>WELCOME TO OIL FIELDS. I’M SO GRAD THAT YOU MADE IT. MY NAME IS CHAD MILLER AND I’M A FOUNDER OF A SOCIAL NETWORK GROUP CALL OIL FIELDS DADS. TO SHARE JOBS AND TO OVERCOME HARDSHIPS AND TO HAVE SOLIDARITY FOR THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY. THANK YOU AND HAVE A GREAT DAY. MY QUESTION FOR YOU PREMIER NOTLEY IS — HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CONVINCE ALBERTA AND THE REST OF CANADA THAT YOUR GOVERNMENT WILL CATER NO MORE TO THE FALSE PROMISES FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND FINALLY STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR THOSE REGULAR HARD-WORKING ALBERTANS?>>Rosemary: SO I HAVE TO SAY THIS IS ONLINE, AN OVERWHELMING SENTIMENT. THIS QUESTION HAS COME UP A NUMBER OF TIMES. AND SARIM SHRABI SAYS THE SAME, DO YOU THINK THAT YOU MADE A MISTAKE WITH THE PRIME MINISTER, AND YOU SAY THAT YOU WILL STAND UP BUT NOT ONCE HAVE YOU DONE IT.>>WELL, I GUESS THAT I’M GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE WITH THAT, BECAUSE I TANG WE HAVE BEEN STANDING UP FOR ALBERTA SINCE DAY ONE. WE HAVE PUSHED FOR THIS PIPELINE SINCE DAY ONE. I, LIKE ALL ALBERTANS AND LIKE EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM, I’M SURE, ARE VERY FRUSTRATED AND I AM VERY FRUSTRATED WITH THE DECISION THAT WE GOT IN AUGUST THAT DELAYED WHAT OTHERWISE WAS A PIPELINE UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR THE FIRST TIME IN ALMOST 70 YEARS IN THE COUNTRY OF CANADA. BUT THAT IS THE FEDERAL COURTS AND THAT IS NOT A THING THAT I CAN FIGHT AGAINST. WHEN IT COMES TO PUSHING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT CANADA WORKS BEST WHEN WE ALL WORK TOGETHER. AND I’VE ALREADY TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE WAYS IN WHICH WE HAVE BEEN PUSHING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, CREATING A MUCH BETTER LEVEL OF AWARENESS FROM COAST-TO-COAST-TO-COAST ABOUT WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT. TALKING TO GROUPS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY THAT HISTORICALLY DIDN’T SUPPORT PIPELINES. SO, LIKE, NOT JUST GOING INTO ROOMS FULL OF HIGH LEVEL INVESTMENT FINANCERS IN EASTERN CANADA, BUT GOING TO TALK TO ROOMS FULL OF ENVIRONMENTALISTS AS WELL TO TALK ABOUT IT. AND THROUGH THEM PUSHING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. AND LET ME ALSO SAY TO ALBERTANS A BIG THANK YOU TO THEM — BECAUSE IT’S NOT JUST US, IT’S EACH AND EVERY ALBERTAN REACHING ACROSS THOSE MOUNTAINS, TALKING TO THEIR BROTHERS, THEIR SISTERS, THEIR IN-LAWS AND THEIR UNION MEMBERS FROM OTHER UNIONS, THEIR BUSINESS COLLEAGUES, MAKING THAT CASE. AND THAT’S HOW WE’RE MOVING THE DIAL. AND WE’RE GOING TO KEEP DOING IT.>>Rosemary: OKAY, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ASKING THIS ONE — WHY DO YOU STILL SUPPORT THE CARBON TAX? YOU HAVE PULLED OUT OF THE FEDERAL PLAN TO INCREASE IT OVER TIME. SO YOU HAVE JUST STAYED WHERE YOU ARE, WHICH I THINK IS $30 A TONNE, IS THAT WHERE YOU’RE AT?>>YEP.>>Rosemary: WHY DO YOU STILL SUPPORT IT AT ALL, PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW.>>BECAUSE THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS — WE ARE AN ENERGY LEADER IN ALBERTA. AND WE HAVE BEEN FOR A LONG TIME AND I THINK THAT WE’RE GOING TO BE FOR A LONG TIME GOING FORWARD. BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO RETAIN THAT POSITION IF WE TRY TO PRETEND THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS NOT AN ISSUE. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO BE THE MOST PROGRESSIVE, THE MOST SUSTAINABLE ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD.>>Rosemary: SO WHAT’S THE ADVANTAGE THAT THE CARBON TAX GIVES YOU THEN?>>IT GIVES US THE RESOURCES TO DO IT AND IT’S THE BEST ECONOMIC MODEL TO GET THE JOB DONE. SO, AGAIN, WE’RE NOT GOING TO SUCCEED IF WE BUILD AN ECONOMY BASED ON LOOKING BACK 20 YEARS. WE ARE GOING TO SUCCEED IF WE FIGURE OUT WHERE THE PUCK IS GOING AND GET THERE BEFORE THEN. [Applause]>>Rosemary: THERE’S ONE LAST QUESTION THAT EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE I’M SURE HAS, EVERYONE ON SOCIAL MEDIA HAS — PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW WHEN YOU WILL CALL THE ELECTION? SHOULD WE THINK EASTER, WOULD THAT BE A CONVENIENT TIME?>>YEAH, SO IT WILL BE ON A DAY… [laughter] IT WON’T BE DARK OUT… [laughter] AND IT WILL, UNLIKE SORT OF PREVIOUS GOVERNMENTS THAT WERE NOT THE N.D.P., IT WILL ACTUALLY FOLLOW THE LAW WHICH IS SOME TIME BETWEEN MARCH FIRST AND MAY 30th.>>Rosemary: NEVER ASK THAT QUESTION OF POLITICIANS BECAUSE THEY NEVER ANSWER IT. THESE ARE NOT EASY THINGS FOR POLITICIANS TO DO BECAUSE THEY DON’T KNOW WHAT IS COMING AT THEM. SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.>>THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>Rosemary: NOW THE PREMIER AND I WEREN’T THE ONLY ONES ON STAGE. WE ALSO INVITED SOME PEOPLE WHO KNOW FIRSTHAND WHAT IT’S LIKE TO LIVE AND WORK IN ALBERTA RIGHT NOW. AND THE AUDIENCE HAD QUESTIONS FOR THEM AS WELL. [Applause]>>MY NAME IS FRED CURR. BEFORE I STARTED DOING COMEDY I WAS AN INSTITUTIONAL STOCKBROKER. MY QUESTION IS, WHAT DO YOU PLAN TO DO TO ATTRACT PRIVATE SECTOR INVESTMENTS BACK TO THIS PROVINCE?>>WELL, WE HAVE SEEN IT I THINK IN SPADES IN ALBERTA IN TERMS OF REDUCED ACTIVITY. THEY’RE TOO FRUSTRATED DEALING WITH IT IN CANADA, WHICH IS NOT A STATEMENT THAT I’M HAPPY TO SAY AS A PROUD CANADIAN, BUT NOT ONLY REDUCED INVESTMENT BUT CANADIAN COMPANIES ARE ALSO LOOKING ELSEWHERE BECAUSE IT’S TOO FRUSTRATING.>>I DO THINK THAT GETTING MARKET ACCESS FOR OUR GAS AND OIL IS A CRITICAL STAT TO BRING INVESTMENT DOLLARS BACK HERE. BECAUSE AS IT STANDS NOW INVESTORS DON’T HAVE TO INVEST IN CANADA, THEY CAN INVEST ANYWHERE. AND WITH THESE DIFFERENTIALS AND WITH MARKET ACCESS ISSUES, THERE’S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY. WHY PUT YOUR DOLLARS HERE? AND THEY’RE NOT.>>Rosemary: YOU CAN WATCH THE FULL “NATIONAL CONVERSATION” WITH PREMIER RACHEL NOTLEY AND OUR PANELEL IS ONLINE, LOOK FOR IT ON CBC GEM OR “THE NATIONAL’S” FACEBOOK PAGE AND YouTube CHANNEL.>>Ian: ALL INTERESTING TO WATCH. UP NEXT ON “THE NATIONAL” WE’LL TAKE TO YOU A SMALL TOWN IN NEWFOUNDLAND WHERE PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF WHAT’S IN THE AIR.>>WE DON’T ALLOW THEM TO WALK UP AND DOWN THE STREET. THEY HAVE TO PUT THESE ON. THIS IS THE (*)>>Ian: FIRST IT WAS A SNOWSTORM AND THEN SUB-ZERO TEMPERATURES AND NOW PARTS OF SOUTHERN ONTARIO ARE DEALING WITH FREEZING RAIN AND ICE PELLETS.>>IT’S PRETTY MISERABLE AND PRETTY SLUSHRY AND PRETTY SLIPPERY. FRUSTRATED. FRUSTRATED IS A GOOD WORD FOR IT IT.>>GRIN AND BEAR IT, I GUESS.>>Ian: THE CONDITIONS FOR SOME FORCED STUDENTS TO STAY HOME. CANADA POST HAS SUSPENDED MAIL DELIVERY AND 400 FLIGHTS WERE CANCELLED AT PEARSON AIRPORT. PERIODS OF FREEZING RAIN ARE EXPECTED TO CONTINUE INTO THE MORNING.>>>INCREDIBLY NO ONE WAS HURT WHEN A GAS LINE EXPLODED IN SAN FRANCISCO TODAY. THE INITIAL DAMAGE CAUSED BY AN EXCAVATOR AND THE FIRE SPREAD TO A NEARBY RESTAURANT. AT LEAST FIVE BUILDINGS WERE BURNED BEFORE THE GAS LINE WAS TURNED OFF.>>>ALL THREE OF THE STATE OF VIRGINIA’S TOP OFFICIALS ARE NOW EMBROILED IN SCANDALS. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MARK HARING TODAY ADMITTED THAT HE APPEARED IN BLACKFACE AT A COSTUME PARTY AT 19. AND THE GOVERNOR ADMITTED TO WEARING BLACKFACE AT A TALENT SHOW IN THE 198 IS. OVER THE PAST FEW DAYS HE’S CHANGED HIS STORIES AND HE’S RESISTING CALLS TO RESIGN. AND IF HE DID HE WOULD BE SUCCEEDED BY THE LIEUTENANT-GOVERNOR, THIS MAN, WHO IS FACING A SEXUAL ASSAULT CLAIM.>>>NOW TO A SMALL TOWN IN NEWFOUNDLAND WITH A SERIOUS PROBLEM ON ITS HANDS AND IN ITS NOSE. THIS IS ABOUT FISH SAUCE. VATS OF THE STUFF, STINKING, ROTTEN FISH SAUCE. IT’S THE LEFTOVERS FROM A PLANT SHUDDERED YEARS AGO AND AS THE CBC’S JEN WHITE EXPLAINS, RESIDENTS ARE DEMANDING THAT SOMETHING TO BE DONE ABOUT IT.>>WHEN THE GRANDKIDS COME OVER I DON’T LET THEM OUT INTO WHAT I CALL A TOXIC ENVIRONMENT. THIS IS WHAT THEY WEAR ON THEIR FACES. WE CAN’T LET THEM BE BREATHING THIS IN. WE’RE NOT SURE WHAT WE’RE BREATHING IN HERE YET.>>Reporter: JULIETTE SIS-LEE LIVES ACROSS THE STREET FROM A FISH FOOD SAUCE PLANT THAT IS ROTTING AWAY FOR YEARS.>>AT ITS WORST POINT YOU FEEL THAT YOU WILL THROW UP — YOU WILL THROW UP.>>Reporter: THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD SAUCE COMPANY OPENED IN 1990. THE OWNERS WERE HOPING TO TAP INTO A LUCRATIVE NORTH AMERICAN MARKET FOR A VIETNAMESE-STYLE SEAFOOD SAUCE.>>YOU SEE SOMETHING NEW, A NEW PRODUCT THAT NOBODY KNOWS. NO ONE BOTHERED TO LOOK INTO IT.>>Reporter: THE PLANT HAD 150 CONTAINERS FILLED WITH FISH AND SALT, LEFT TO FERMENT FOR YEARS. UNTIL IT TURNED INTO A LIQUID THAT WOULD BE BOTTLED FOR SALE. BUT FOUR YEARS AFTER IT OPENED THE OWNER SAID THAT FEDERAL REGULATIONS WERE KILLING THE PROJECT. IN THE EARLY 2000s, MORE TROUBLE. OPERATIONS AT THE PLANT WERE SUSPENDED AFTER ISSUES WITH THE CANADIAN FOOD INSPECTION AGENCY. THE OWNER SHUT THE DOORS AND IS BELIEVED TO HAVE LEFT THE COUNTRY. THE TANKS FILLED WITH SEAFOOD SAUCE HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS.>>THESE TANKS SMELL. THE TANKS ARE STILL LEAKING SOME LIQUID AND NOW IT’S ON THE FLOOR. SO NOW IT’S TWO, THREE, FOUR INCHES THICK ALL OVER THE FLOOR WHICH MAKES THE SMELL WORSE.>>Reporter: MURIEL AND JOHN WHALEN LIVE UP JUST THE ROAD FROM THE BUILDING. WHAT DOES IT SMELL LIKE?>>WELL, ROTTEN EGGS SMELL BETTER. IT WILL TAKE YOUR BREATH.>>Reporter: IT’S NOT JUST THE SMELL. THEY’RE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR HEALTH.>>THEY HAD TO WEAR A SUIT AND EVERYTHING TO GO IN THERE, RIGHT? AND THEY SAID, WELL, IT WAS TO PROTECT OUR PEOPLE. AND I SAID — OUR WORKERS. AND I SAID, WHAT ABOUT US? WHAT ARE WE?>>Reporter: THE TOWN OF ST. MARY’S AND THE NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR GOVERNMENT DID TRY TO TACKLE THIS BEFORE. BACK IN 2012, THE PROVINCE TRIED TO CONTACT THE COMPANY’S OWNER BUT FAILED TO TRACK HIM DOWN. THREE YEARS AGO A WASTE MANAGEMENT PLAN WAS DEVELOPED, BUT AFTER COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE CONTRACTOR, THE WORK WAS STOPPED. NOTHING HAS HAPPENED AT THE SITE SINCE. THE TOWN HAS FOUND A COMPANY THAT IS WILLING TO CLEAN IT UP AT A COST OF $700,000.>>WELL, HE KIND OF SCARED ME AND HE SAID FOR THEM TO BE HERE IT MEANS THAT IT’S SOMETHING TOXIC.>>Reporter: THE TOWN HAS APPLIED TO THE PROVINCE FOR FINANCIAL HELP BUT IT STILL WON’T BE ENOUGH TO COVER THE CLEANUP. JEN WHITE, CBC NEWS, ST. MARY’S, NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR.>>Ian: UP NEXT ON “THE NATIONAL,” PAUL DEWAR DEFINED PUBLIC SERVICE, DEDICATING HIS CAREER TO HELPING OTHERS. WE’LL HEAR HIS TAKE ON LIFE IN OUR “MOMENT.”>>I KNOW WE’VE ALL IN OUR CULTURE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, DEATH IS GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT WE ALSO AVOID IT WHEN WE CAN, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE, RIGHT? AND SO IT’S A MATTER OF WHAT WE DO WITH THIS LIFE THAT WE HAVE. (*) (*)>>Rosemary: PAUL DEWAR APPROACHED DEATH THE SAME WAY HE APPROACHED LIFE — WITH COURAGE AND THE DESIRE TO DO GOOD NO MATTER WHAT. AS WE TOLD YOU EARLIER IN THE PROGRAMME THE FORMER N.D.P. M.P. DIED THIS MORNING AFTER BATTLING TERMINAL BRAIN CANCER. I HAD THE CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH HIM LAST JUNE AT HIS HOME IN OTTAWA. AND TONIGHT WE WANTED TO GIVE HIM THE LAST WORD IN OUR “MOMENT.” (*)>>WHAT YOU ARE HAVING TO DO IS TO FACE DEATH AND WALK BACK INTO LIFE. I KNOW THAT WE’VE ALL IN OUR CULTURE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, DEATH IS GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT WE ALSO AVOID IT WHEN WE CAN, RIGHT? AND I’VE HELD ON TO THAT BECAUSE IT’S SO TRUE. AND THAT’S THE GIFT PART. I MEAN, WE ALL ARE GOING TO DIE, RIGHT? AND SO IT’S A MATTER OF WHAT WE DO WITH THIS LIFE THAT WE HAVE. AND SO YOU KNOW THAT THE TIMELINES MAY BE A LITTLE EARLIER THAN YOU MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT, BUT YOU NOW CAN WALK BACK INTO LIFE AND YOU CAN DECIDE HOW THAT’S GOING TO WORK. I REALLY WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE MORE TIME WITH THEM, THOSE TWO GUYS. AND IF I COULD STEAL MORE OF THAT TIME, AND I HOPEFULLY WILL, THAT’S WHAT I WOULD WANT.>>Ian: ROSEMARY, IT WAS SO MOVING AND SO IMPRESSIVE TO HEAR WHAT HE HAD TO SAY WHEN YOUR INTERVIEW ORIGINALLY RAN AND EVEN MORE SO TONIGHT. BUT WHAT ARE YOUR REFLECTIONS?>>Rosemary: YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING PROBABLY THAT PAUL LOVED AS MUCH AS HIS FAMILY IS THE CITY OF OTTAWA AND HE DEDICATED HIS LIFE TO MAKING THAT CITY GREAT AND TO GIVING BACK TO THIS COUNTRY. AND I HOPE THAT HIS FAMILY TAKES SOME COMFORT TONIGHT IN KNOWING WHAT A DIFFERENCE HE MADE TO SO MANY PEOPLE. HE WAS JUST A LOVELY PERSON. AND THAT IS “THE NATIONAL” FOR THIS WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 6th. THANK YOU FOR WATCHING, EVERYBODY. GOODNIGHT.>>Ian: GOODNIGHT.

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